bloodyminded Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 IMV, Ignatieff is unCanadian because he does not speak English or French like any Canadian that I know, and he doesn't even seem to understand anyone here. Worse, he makes bland generalities. He's a bland fellow, to be sure. Harper's bland too, but like you, I get some impression of a difference. I trust Harper more...and I don't trust Harper! If Ignatieff loses the next election, I think we can all agree that he will not stay in Canada. Possibly. There is another country which he appears to prefer. He had a lot of success there, writing as intellectual courtier to the State. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Molly Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Did anyone catch Mercer's rant last night? He pointed out that he's spent aboout as much time away from Newfoundland for work as Ignatief has, but if someone tried to tell him he was no longer a Newfoundlander, there'd be blood. He mentioned Gordon Pinsent, too... Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
bloodyminded Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Did anyone catch Mercer's rant last night? He pointed out that he's spent aboout as much time away from Newfoundland for work as Ignatief has, but if someone tried to tell him he was no longer a Newfoundlander, there'd be blood. He mentioned Gordon Pinsent, too... i wasn't referring to Ignatieff's time away from Canada--about which I could care less--but about his political writing, in which he posits the idea of the United States as "Empire Lite, " a benign hegemon that flits about doing good, ruling the earth out of its humanitarian motives, and so on. First of all, such a thesis about "rule" implies (demands) that other countries--Canada obviously included--are to be obedient, following the Great Leader Empire about. Second, it is an idea akin to hardcore religious faith, and not based on the reality of what empire is. Ignatieff was only articulating the way the political class (and much of the intellectual class) really thinks; that doesn't change the fact that he's a dewy-eyed worshipper of great power, either totally ignorant of the way the world works, or a first-class sycophant. Edited January 26, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
wolfd Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) So I'm saying that if you can swallow 'em, and so sincerely desire to swallow 'em, then have at 'er. They're all yours. I can swallow them and they taste good. Iggy is way too flaky for my tastes and based on the ongoing polls, a good number of Canadians agree with that view. Edited January 26, 2011 by wolfd Quote
Molly Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 IMV, Ignatieff is unCanadian because he does not speak English or French like any Canadian that I know. Pfffththb! I say that YOU aren't Canadian because you don't speak English or French like any Canadian that I know. If I restrict my experience of the nation enough, stick my fingers in my ears and shout LALALALALA, then I can probably strip millions of their citizenship and nationality, but right now, I'll just settle for you. You don't sound Canadian to me. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Molly Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 i wasn't referring to Ignatieff's time away from Canada--about which I could care less--but about his political writing, I'm glad someone has the wits to base their opinion on something of substance, instead of simply misrepresenting both the subject and it's context, supporting that leap of faith with vehemence alone. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Shakeyhands Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Gimme a break. The federal Liberals have been employing attack ads for decades. Again I'll ask, can you please point me towards a Liberal attack ad? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
bloodyminded Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 I'm glad someone has the wits to base their opinion on something of substance, instead of simply misrepresenting both the subject and it's context, supporting that leap of faith with vehemence alone. Well, to be fair, my issues with Ignatieff are not unique to him, but bespeak a far more wide-ranging issue. I don't see any reason to believe that he would be an inferior PM to Harper. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
scribblet Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Again I'll ask, can you please point me towards a Liberal attack ad? Really - they just released their latest batch. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Mr. Ignatieff just wants to matter....he believes he can do that more effectively with his American cloaking device, whether it be speeches outside of Canada or in "political writings". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
PIK Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Then why are Canadians so prickly about any mention of our country, yet compare themselves against us regularly? You mean the canadian left, they are a hateful bunch, when it comes to america. Rip you every time they can but they seem to not get enough of you, it is embarressing for the rest of us. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 These so called attack ads give real attack ads a bad name. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bloodyminded Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 "The Left! The Left! The Left! The Left! The Left! The Left! The Left! The Left!" A nuanced and fascinating political philosophy. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
wyly Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Did anyone catch Mercer's rant last night? He pointed out that he's spent aboout as much time away from Newfoundland for work as Ignatief has, but if someone tried to tell him he was no longer a Newfoundlander, there'd be blood. He mentioned Gordon Pinsent, too... that he has remained canadian after many years of residence in the US is still a canadian citizen says a lot about where his loyalties lie...a number of canadian actors have taken up US citizenship but canadians have no problem as still claiming them to be canadians... Gordie Howe, Wayne Getzky, Mario Lemieux, Claude Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, Mark Messier, Ron Francis have all taken up American citizenship yet that doesn't prevent canadians from still fawning over them as canadian icons... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Shakeyhands Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Really - they just released their latest batch. The two that we discussed earlier? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
PIK Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) A real attack is ,the one that they made fun of chretiens mouth, now that was real ugly one and I was even appalled by it and they got into alot of shit over that one. Now to the person that says libs don't use them, soldiers in the streets anyone? And the thing with iggy, he is gone for 30 or so years and his 1st act in canada was to be given the keys to the liberal party and run for PM. That can be insulting to some.I would like to know about the rumour that he slip out on his family in europe, is that true? Edited January 26, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
nicky10013 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) A real attack is ,the one that they made fun of chretiens mouth, now that was real ugly one and I was even appalled by it and they got into alot of shit over that one. Now to the person that says libs don't use them, soldiers in the streets anyone? And the thing with iggy, he is gone for 30 or so years and his 1st act in canada was to be given the keys to the liberal party and run for PM. That can be insulting to some.I would like to know about the rumour that he slip out on his family in europe, is that true? Who said the Liberals never used them? Also, for someone to turn around from denouncing ugly personal attacks and in the next sentence trying to find out about his previous marriage is kind of ironic, no? Also, this was quick. 2 more ads out. Seems to me the CPC is getting scared that Canadians are buying into the Liberal message about corporate taxes. The reviews of that speech in the press were fairly positive. Not surprisingly, they take the speech out of context and made an attack ad out of it. Isn't it nice to have a government that doesn't attempt to turn a debate about tax policy into a driveby smear attempt? Oh wait... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/would-tories-use-an-ignatieff-clip-out-of-context-yes-yes-yes/article1885230/ Edited January 27, 2011 by nicky10013 Quote
PIK Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Who said the Liberals never used them? Also, for someone to turn around from denouncing ugly personal attacks and in the next sentence trying to find out about his previous marriage is kind of ironic, no? Also, this was quick. 2 more ads out. Seems to me the CPC is getting scared that Canadians are buying into the Liberal message about corporate taxes. The reviews of that speech in the press were fairly positive. Not surprisingly, they take the speech out of context and made an attack ad out of it. Isn't it nice to have a government that doesn't attempt to turn a debate about tax policy into a driveby smear attempt? Oh wait... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/would-tories-use-an-ignatieff-clip-out-of-context-yes-yes-yes/article1885230/ Iggy is the one using harpers name ,harper does not mention him at all. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Again I'll ask, can you please point me towards a Liberal attack ad? Google liberal attack ads, you will find many. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
nicky10013 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Iggy is the one using harpers name ,harper does not mention him at all. Huh?? Quote
PIK Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Huh?? If you are going to attack the attack ads at least do some research on what is going on and who is saying what about whom. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
nicky10013 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 If you are going to attack the attack ads at least do some research on what is going on and who is saying what about whom. So what exactly did Ignatieff say about Harper? The ads I'm attacking are from Harper about Ignatieff. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Google liberal attack ads, you will find many. All I am seeing is the guns in streets ad, and that wasn't negative, it was just stupid. I want to see the ones where the Liberals are attacking Harper personally, much like the Dion and Ignatieff ads from the CPC. Are there any? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
nicky10013 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 All I am seeing is the guns in streets ad, and that wasn't negative, it was just stupid. I want to see the ones where the Liberals are attacking Harper personally, much like the Dion and Ignatieff ads from the CPC. Are there any? It was pretty negative hahaha. It was also stupid, I'll agree with that. Quote
Bryan Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I'm still wondering where these attack ads are. I haven't seen any. I have seen some well reasoned ads that calmly and accurately listed some of the things that Ignatieff has said about Canada. Quote
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