William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Actual technology being used on insects... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_pest_control It may be an inadvertant occurence... Just because something naturally occurs doesn't mean increasing the magnitude is good. For instance just because lightening naturally occurs doesn't mean we should electrocute everything, just because rain exists deosn't mean we should flood everything. There are thresholds that can be done - like so much food and water or sleep etc.. that is good for us. It is the same with EM energy a little sun is good for vitamin D too much can be bad. Have you ever heard high frequency coming from powerlines or your computer... (usually the fan is louder) all this tech makes noise most people can't hear. It could be ultrasound through transposition / transformation of EM signals. Edited January 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Wild Bill Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Radio frequencies and sound can affect moods in people. It's not much of a stretch to say it can effect other living creatures on this planet. And yes there are natural emissions from the planet sun and stars. But what we do and build is not natural for the planet. I'll try to link those planet emission vids later today. It is interesting, and again, Earth sounds like static. Why would it not be one of the causes? I do agree there is some other factor, but I think the birds dying and the fish dying in the same area have the same root cause, whatever it is. Colony Collapse Disorder is happening, no matter what the cause is, if the bees die, food will become scarce unless we can do the pollination work ourselves through some technological means. If we can't figure that out, once the bees are gone, so are we. Natural and man-made radio waves are exactly the same, except for information content. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the Universe can tell the difference. Yes, Colony Collapse Disorder exists! Yes, it is a scary thing. How scary it is has nothing to do with what's causing it. There is far more evidence for other factors than for electromagnetic radiation. Yes, some frequencies can affect moods. Also, some frequencies can cause heating in living tissues. That's how hospital diathermy machines work, which have been around longer than likely any of us have been alive. What the layman usually doesn't understand is that to cause these effects requires very close proximity to the emitter and very high power levels. That's because radio waves are subject to the Inverse Square Law. Every time you double the distance from the emitter the amount of power drops by the square root. This means that if you have 256 watts of power at the emitter you might have 16 watts a foot away. At 2 feet you have only 4 watts. At 3 feet it drops to 2 watts, and so on. We have volts of signal leaving an antenna but when your radio picks it up it only gets microvolts, or MILLIONTHS of a volt! A bee might get hot feet landing directly on a cellular tower antenna but a few feet away would be enough for it to not notice a damn thing! I think people have included cellular towers in their list of fears simply because they know little or nothing about them and are just making up a 'grab bag' of pretty well anything. Certainly Mr. Ashley's links are REALLY light about anything definite as regards radio waves! They list it almost as an afterthought, couching the idea with lots of "perhaps we should do some research on this as well". They may be very good botanists who have set up those sites but they appear to not know enough about electricity to change a plug on a lamp! Obviously, it's outside their field and they are trying to apply logic without having enough basic knowledge to use it appropriately. The confusion also comes from the fact that we humans hold cell phones smack against the sides of our heads! While the Inverse Square Law shows us that the levels are 'mice nuts' at any distance from the source, having the source pasted to your skull is a different story! There may indeed be some negative effects from this practice but it is not supported by physics to try to draw similarities with having a cellular tower in the same field as a bee colony. Edited January 5, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) http://emfjournal.com/tag/cell-phone/ If human cognition is being effected by the towers surely insects like bumble bees must be effected by much lower levels of exposure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516659 Studies show that in recent years three species have become extinct in Britain. Four have declined by 96% in the US. That is 7 of 25??? 9 are endangered does this mean 16 of 25 are gone or going? Amazingly cell towers apparently increase human fertility.. but lower bee fertility..? Mathematician finds strong correlation between the presence of mobile phone masts and number of children born http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/dec/17/mobile-phone-masts-birth-rate what good are kids if you can't feed them. Wow I thought I'd check about china-- because I know they lead the world in Cellular technologies... check this out..!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READ THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/some_us_bumbleb.php With angst around colony collapse disorder and the plight of the honeybees causing some to explore the idea of "human bee pollinators" (seriously, many farmers in China do now pollinate fruit trees by hand due to lack of bees) Imagine only cultivated fields producing food -- all other life dying.. and no longer reproducing... no more flowers - where have all the flowers gone etc.. machine cultivators... and GMO's only.. it is massive sure we might have food but the cost of plants would increase dramatically. And this on top of an already emerging global food crisis... http://www.newsweek.com/2008/06/14/stung-by-bees.html By the way who has the patent on that one? Machine pollinators.. so much for crop dusting now we have crop pollination from planes and cultivators bring out the pollinator. It may seem like sure its a sollution for commercial crops.. but it really isn't for the "environment" once the non commercial dispears there are massive problems... It is scarry to imagine a world where only people with the technology and resources can give live to anything... only areas of interst to them will be kept alive... costs on things will likely increase due to the need to "artifically pollinate" plants .... can you image this total terraforming mindset? Like this US PATENT http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3943660.html It takes 1 china person to do around 30 trees manually in a chinese work day. Edited January 6, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
scribblet Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 A bunch of birds died in Sweden too, they think it was firecrackers - damn and here I thought Bush did it. LOL Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
William Ashley Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) A bunch of birds died in Sweden too, they think it was firecrackers - damn and here I thought Bush did it. LOL Not only that but also new zealand and louisiana (plus the 1 dead bird I found in Waterloo Canada. (I'm going to attempt to find out the species but it looked like a young crow but more like mix between a nice small bird and a crow. It didn't have red tipped wings though. Looked closest to an American Crow. The jackdaw is of the crow family. I'll post some pictures up. http://williamashley.info/pics/crow1.jpg http://williamashley.info/pics/crow2.jpg http://williamashley.info/pics/crow3.jpg I have older photos, those three are after it was sanitized to kill magots and some harmful bacteria via freezing. I don't understand how firecrackers can cause blunt force trauma described as killing the birds in Arkansas In sweden though they stated that it didn't match up but they were still testing. Also if a bird dies in flight - you would think it would be injured when it hit the ground. It is currious how it is only crow family, and 5000 dead birds from firecrackers seems odd. Why didn't we hear about other birds dying in masses during firecrackers? http://io9.com/5724495/hundreds-of-dead-black-birds-rain-down-from-the-sky-in-louisiana http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40904491/ns/us_news-environment/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/05/more-dead-birds-this-time-in-sweden/ http://ministryvalues.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1377&Itemid=127 Is this something that happens every time fireworks are used, this is the first time I heard about this. WOW 2 million fish just died..!!! http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/01/05/132675539/latest-report-of-animal-carnage-2-million-fish-die-in-chesapeake-bay Get this.. "Beebe" and "Pointe Coupee Parish" notice the ee's.. it may be intentional.. but why Sweden, and other places? Could it be an apocalyptical cult behind all this? PCP? maybe it is a hint This reminds me of Steven Kings the Stand (the weirdest TV film series ever) the stand of course people can't just die, its only fish and birds. In the stand it is a guy that spreads it, not the crow.. but the crow is in the opening scenes, hence the memory. I'd so be a main character in the movie though not a temp cameo type person. I think the dying fish and crows are an issue though.. but it will likely just melt away into insignifigance before the end of the week. Check this out... http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=PCP&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= we all know tin was replaced by aluminum in tinfoil. Edited January 6, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 ....If we can't figure that out, once the bees are gone, so are we. Nope....pollination occurs through many abiotic and biotic mechanisms...with thousands of different organisms...not just bees. The sky is not falling...again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Posted January 6, 2011 crabs now too http://www.mediaite.com/online/dead-birds-fish-and-bears-oh-my-and-now-a-whole-bunch-of-crabs-are-dying-too/ Quote I was here.
Michael Hardner Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 This seems like more of a warning to beekind then mankind... "Evolve and go higher up the food chain... get some technology you honey spewing idiots !" Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
William Ashley Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Nope....pollination occurs through many abiotic and biotic mechanisms...with thousands of different organisms...not just bees. The sky is not falling...again. So there goes 80% of the plant diversity on the planet earth.. Ok and while true other species also polinate, I'm going to find figures on the impact of the bumble bee. Only 10% of flowering plants are pollinated without animal assistance (abiotic).[2] The most common form of abiotic pollination, anemophily, is pollination by wind. This form of pollination is predominant in grasses, most conifers, and many deciduous trees. Hydrophily is pollination by water and occurs in aquatic plants which release their pollen directly into the surrounding water. About 80% of all plant pollination is biotic. Of the 20% of abiotically pollinated species, 98% is by wind and 2% by water. The largest managed pollination event in the world is in Californian almond orchards, where nearly half (about one million hives) of the US honey bees are trucked to the almond orchards each spring. New York's apple crop requires about 30,000 hives; Maine's blueberry crop uses about 50,000 hives each year.Bees are also brought to commercial plantings of cucumbers, squash, melons, strawberries, and many other crops. Honey bees are not the only managed pollinators: a few other species of bees are also raised as pollinators. The alfalfa leafcutter bee is an important pollinator for alfalfa seed in western United States and Canada. Bumblebees are increasingly raised and used extensively for greenhouse tomatoes and other crops. Are you suggesting the great butterfly drive? Butterflies are pollinating insects. Although they pollinate flowers, they are not as effective as some insects, and are therefore not considered to be major pollinators. The main reason for this is that butterflies have limited contact with pollen and therefore do not transfer large amounts of pollen from flower to flower. The body of the butterfly does not come close to the flower’s pollen like the body of a bee does. Butterflies have long, thin legs and use them to perch on the sides of flowers and simply probe for nectar with their long probosces (tongues).1 They cannot get as close, or go inside flowers like other insects can. Butterflies are attracted to flowers with abundant nectar supplies, and tend to visit bright coloured flowers, especially red, orange and purple. Butterflies have a weak sense of smell, but can see better than some other pollinators. They are also very active during the day and tend to visit a great number of flowers. see: http://www.seeds.ca/proj/poll/index.php?k=94 Do you want wasps to replace the bumble bee.. bear in mind wasps can sting multiple times are are more aggresive than the bumble bee and don't provide honey. http://www.seeds.ca/proj/poll/index.php?n=pc_profiles Bumble Bees are important. Flys don't give honey. Flys also lay soooo many eggs. How are you going to manage fly populations, bees have hives. Even with sound control mentioned above I'm sure it won't work fully Also do farmers want their plants to be GMO modified to smell like rotting meat? The flowers that are pollinated by flies are typically:Pale and dull to dark brown or purple Sometimes flecked with translucent patches Putrid order, like rotting meat , carrion, dung, humus, sap and blood Nectar guides not present Produce pollen Flowers are funnel like or complex traps Also BushCheney2004 The American Institute of Biological Sciences reports that native insect pollination saves the United States agricultural economy nearly an estimated $3.1 billion annually through natural crop production;[12] pollination produces some $40 billion worth of products annually in the United States alone I just realized farmers fields normally smell like dung already. This doesn't save the rest of the world though, we don't want everywhere to smell like farm fields we would like plants to grow. http://www.differencebetween.net/science/nature/difference-between-bees-and-flies/ Bees are cooler. Widespread aerial spraying for mosquitoes due to West Nile fears is causing an acceleration of the loss of pollinators. This happened in places like Toronto too.. Edited January 6, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Wild Bill Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 http://emfjournal.com/tag/cell-phone/ If human cognition is being effected by the towers surely insects like bumble bees must be effected by much lower levels of exposure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516659 What kind of links are you digging up, Mr. Ashley? The first is NOT an independent scientific study group at all! It's an ACTIVIST group! Could you find a more biased source? It's just a bunch of activists who already believe that cell phones are killers and are taking time off from saving the whales to do the same for the bees. The second link doesn't even mention cellular radio emissions at all! It talks about 'brain plasticity' with insects and how body size correlates with brain size. Could it be that this entire thread is just a mammoth trolling operation? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Michael Hardner Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 Could it be that this entire thread is just a mammoth trolling operation? Could be... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
waldo Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 What kind of links are you digging up, Mr. Ashley? The first is NOT an independent scientific study group at all! It's an ACTIVIST group! Could you find a more biased source? whaaa! Too good to take a pass on... so says Wild Bill, as he trots out his favoured biased denier "journalist", Lawrence Solomon, in a concurrent running climate change related thread. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 whaaa! Too good to take a pass on... so says Wild Bill, as he trots out his favoured biased denier "journalist", Lawrence Solomon, in a concurrent running climate change related thread. Why is Solomon listed on wiki as an 'environmentalist' anyway ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
William Ashley Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Why is Solomon listed on wiki as an 'environmentalist' anyway ? 80 more birds in Quebec.. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/918453--more-than-80-dead-birds-found-in-small-quebec-town This is reminding me about -- you know when you have that bird in the mine ---- and it dies you may have poison gas. Probably unrelated but that is what it makes me think of. Edited January 8, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Saipan Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 So there goes 80% of the plant diversity on the planet earth.. Which ones SPECIFICALLY? Quote
Saipan Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 What affected food supply most, by far, are the biofools. Since the start of alcohol fuel from corn and wheat prices of bread, pasta etc. more than doubled. Affecting mostly the poor in countries like Mexico, Italy..... causing even consumer riots. Quote
William Ashley Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Which ones SPECIFICALLY? I can't beleive you asked this. The list would contain about 250,000 plants. There are probably a few in there you like. Also you got to understand that wild plants are eaten by wild animals - plants are very important because they are the bottom level of the food chain - in part. (along with bacteria, algae etc..) If say wild blue berries disapear animals that eat wild blueberries may also disapear or their diet would be effected. This ends up causing a chain reaction. At the very least it means that abundance reduces. I personally like subsistence lifestyle - I don't like depending on trucks to survive. What happens if something happens to the supply chain --- being totally dependent on supply chain in an emergency is not safe. Also it means food is more expensive to produce, and this gets passed on to the consumer. Non viable growing - or reduced crop yeild would mean less food too. The commercial industry is only part of it. Some people in Canada, and some countries that arn't large scale commercial food co-ops or corpoations wouldn't have the resources necisarily to adapt to these changes. The days of planting a seed and having it grow to produce food will be gone. http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-welfare/blog/where-have-all-the-bumblebees-gone/ Edited January 9, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
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