William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Are there any measures in laws insuring communications towers are not in agricultural areas? electromagnetic waves from cell phone towers interfered with the bees built in navigational skills Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/04/bumblebee-population-delines.html#ixzz1A85SoEz1 This is concerning Has the CRTC studies the effects of communications towers, and their location of placement on foodstock viability through natural fertalization and bee stock. http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/03/06/millions_of_bees_die_are_electromagnetic_signals_to_blame.htm The whole irradiation thing raises another question - is disapearance of the ozone layer, increasing the irradiation of them... through solar emissions? Lets see if radio singal strength has increased... then add in the communications range fields. It seems bees are effected by various EM fields... Some researchers are of the opinion that bee populations may be adversely affected by the rise in electromagnetic radiation in the atmosphere due to the increasing numbers of wireless communication towers and mobile phones. The hypothesis is that the radiation from these devices may interfere with the bees’ systems of navigation, thus hindering their ability to find their way back to their nests. Some studies found that when mobile phones were placed near their hives, bees would not come back there. Further studies are underway at present to find out to what extent bees and other insects are affected by this kind of radiation. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disappearing-bee-theories.html We depend upon pollinators and honey bees for the pollination process which provides the great majority of our food supplies. Nature (2007), [10]: " …The bee is capable of navigating, even on a cloudy day, by cloud-penetrating ultraviolet light. Honey bees also use the sun as a reference point to communicate to other bees the angle of flight to be followed to arrive at newly discovered nectar-bearing flowers." Could the increasingly high UV radiation and Infrared readings be disrupting their ability to navigate, causing their decline? Why aren’t we investigating this possibility? http://www.californiaskywatch.com/documents/htmldocs/pp_uv_warning.htm Edited January 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 What are you talking about ? The article from CBC you linked says it: Research last year on colony-collapse disorder, which led to the mass deaths of honeybee colonies, suggests the collapse might have been caused by a combination of viruses and the fungi Nosema apis and Nosema ceranae.Cameron said there is no proven cause of the bumblebee declines, but climate change has contributed to European losses and habitat loss may affect certain specialized species. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/04/bumblebee-population-delines.html#ixzz1AAYQPD6p Nothing about cell towers there. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 The second link - from 2007 - has this: a reader commented, suggesting that emissions of GWEN, the Ground Wave Emergency Network, might be to blame A reader ! The 3rd link lists communications tower as a theory and say: Further studies are underway at present to find out to what extent bees and other insects are affected by this kind of radiation. So to answer your question: "Has the CRTC studies the effects of communications towers, and their location of placement on foodstock viability through natural fertalization and bee stock." The science is studying it now. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Wild Bill Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Are there any measures in laws insuring communications towers are not in agricultural areas? Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/04/bumblebee-population-delines.html#ixzz1A85SoEz1 This is concerning Has the CRTC studies the effects of communications towers, and their location of placement on foodstock viability through natural fertalization and bee stock. http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/03/06/millions_of_bees_die_are_electromagnetic_signals_to_blame.htm The whole irradiation thing raises another question - is disapearance of the ozone layer, increasing the irradiation of them... through solar emissions? Lets see if radio singal strength has increased... then add in the communications range fields. It seems bees are effected by various EM fields... http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disappearing-bee-theories.html http://www.californiaskywatch.com/documents/htmldocs/pp_uv_warning.htm I happen to have quite a bit of experience and education with radio frequency fields. These links of yours appear to have come from the National Inquirer! Have you ever heard of the inverse square law? Do you have any idea of the power output of the average cell phone? What kind of test is it to put a cell phone near a bee hive? There could be dozens of reasons why the bees did not return! Maybe they just didn't like the smell of it! Even if we turned off EVERY radio transmitter on the planet the "soup" of radio emmissions we live in would not decrease by any measurable amount. Why? Because the Sun generates so much electro-magnetic radiation of its own that it swamps out everything generated by man. The Sun has been doing this as long as it has been there. Earth's entire eco-system has evolved within it, including the bees. This whole idea is thinner than the evidence given by the Flat Earth Society. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Even if we turned off EVERY radio transmitter on the planet the "soup" of radio emmissions we live in would not decrease by any measurable amount. Why? Because the Sun generates so much electro-magnetic radiation of its own that it swamps out everything generated by man. The Sun has been doing this as long as it has been there. Earth's entire eco-system has evolved within it, including the bees. I guess it can be the difference between natural radio emissions form the sun and the solar system compared to the plethora of artificial radio emissions our technology produces. I recall watching some things on youtube that converted the emissions from planets into a sound representation. Earth is the only one that sounds like a crap load of static, like white noise. Such a drastic difference from the other planets, it's worth taking a listen. Quote
Topaz Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 What do you think is killing all those birds in the two US states? I have my views, but no proof, but I wondering if the military are doing BIO-experiments? I've hear that in 1997, the US past a law that they could do experiments in/on the public but not tell anyone they were doing them. If they found it was BIO, would they tell the public or make something up. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/04/arkansas.bird.mystery/index.html Quote
GostHacked Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 What do you think is killing all those birds in the two US states? I have my views, but no proof, but I wondering if the military are doing BIO-experiments? I've hear that in 1997, the US past a law that they could do experiments in/on the public but not tell anyone they were doing them. If they found it was BIO, would they tell the public or make something up. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/04/arkansas.bird.mystery/index.html Well it's definitely NOT fireworks. That excuse is simply laughable. Whatever cause the bird deaths in two states with the fish dying in the same area are caused by the same source, whatever it is. This is not the first time there have been massive bird deaths, in the same way it happened in the past few days. But pay attention this year for more bird deaths and even a more noticeable collapse of the bee colonies. If the bees go, humanity is done. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 I've hear that in 1997, the US past a law that they could do experiments in/on the public but not tell anyone they were doing them. Can we have a source for this sensational rumour please ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Can we have a source for this sensational rumour please ? here Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 here You got me... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 You got me... Maybe this will help.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 "Toasters don't talk" Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Wild Bill Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 I guess it can be the difference between natural radio emissions form the sun and the solar system compared to the plethora of artificial radio emissions our technology produces. I recall watching some things on youtube that converted the emissions from planets into a sound representation. Earth is the only one that sounds like a crap load of static, like white noise. Such a drastic difference from the other planets, it's worth taking a listen. I didn't realize that a liver or an armpit cell had such discriminating taste it could tell the difference between a natural and a man-made signal! Sorry! It's still sheer balderdash! Please note, I'm not disputing the problems with bees. I'm just saying that there are likely many factors involved but radio waves just cannot be one of them. Still, it's an amusing mental picture to think of a hive of bees, all wearing cute little tinfoil hats! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Let's hope the CRTC can protect Canadian bees from all that harmful American propagation. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) What do you think is killing all those birds in the two US states? I have my views, but no proof, but I wondering if the military are doing BIO-experiments? I've hear that in 1997, the US past a law that they could do experiments in/on the public but not tell anyone they were doing them. If they found it was BIO, would they tell the public or make something up. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/04/arkansas.bird.mystery/index.html This bird thing struck a link for me more than just taking notice as I came across a dead black bird the day after reading about it. I reported it to the local health inspector - however don't expect anything to come from it. They altered the law requiring reporting of dead birds, and just give instructions to garbage them. I'm geussing one bird vs. 4000 is a little different though. Edited January 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Can we have a source for this sensational rumour please ? TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSECHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM § 1520. Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense; accounting to Congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian officials (a) Not later than thirty days after final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense, whether directly or under contract, involving the use of human subjects for the testing of chemical or biological agents, the Secretary of Defense shall supply the Committees on Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives with a full accounting of such plans for such experiment or study, and such experiment or study may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date such accounting is received by such committees. ( (1) The Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of any chemical or biological agent on civilian populations unless local civilian officials in the area in which the test or experiment is to be conducted are notified in advance of such test or experiment, and such test or experiment may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date of such notification. (2) Paragraph (1) shall apply to tests and experiments conducted by Department of Defense personnel and tests and experiments conducted on behalf of the Department of Defense by contractors. http://www.all-natural.com/bio-chem.html Edited January 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Let's hope the CRTC can protect Canadian bees from all that harmful American propagation. But who will protect the bees from prorogation ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 http://www.all-natural.com/bio-chem.html Interesting, if true. It was repealed though. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
William Ashley Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) I just noticed these two links that are very relevent to the discussion http://www.kompetenzinitiative.net/britannien/ http://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/papers/manville_wildlife_towers.pdf And I'm not saying that there can be no more communication towers -- I'm saying it is relvant to protect EM bands / frequencies that kill bees. Not only is it a EM weapon (banned psychotronic weapon targeted against our food supply whether intentional or not), but it effects more than just bees. We need to get the CRTC to block those channels from use - except in the most dire emergencies - this in part may be a good reason for it to be for emergency military use only for example. It is a real thing. The CRTC needs to figure out what frequencies damage human and natural health, and block those frequencies from commercialized or regular use. At the very least in "sensitive areas", and over the long term, period until newer technologies replace the old ones. Edited January 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 ....The CRTC needs to figure out what frequencies damage human and natural health, and block those frequencies from commercialized or regular use. At the very least in "sensitive areas", and over the long term, period until newer technologies replace the old ones. Does that include Tasers? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 I didn't realize that a liver or an armpit cell had such discriminating taste it could tell the difference between a natural and a man-made signal! Radio frequencies and sound can affect moods in people. It's not much of a stretch to say it can effect other living creatures on this planet. And yes there are natural emissions from the planet sun and stars. But what we do and build is not natural for the planet. I'll try to link those planet emission vids later today. It is interesting, and again, Earth sounds like static. Sorry! It's still sheer balderdash! Please note, I'm not disputing the problems with bees. I'm just saying that there are likely many factors involved but radio waves just cannot be one of them. Why would it not be one of the causes? I do agree there is some other factor, but I think the birds dying and the fish dying in the same area have the same root cause, whatever it is. Still, it's an amusing mental picture to think of a hive of bees, all wearing cute little tinfoil hats! Colony Collapse Disorder is happening, no matter what the cause is, if the bees die, food will become scarce unless we can do the pollination work ourselves through some technological means. If we can't figure that out, once the bees are gone, so are we. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 , Earth sounds like static. So does cosmic radiation Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 So does cosmic radiation Who's the opening band? Is there a cover? Quote
Topaz Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Can we have a source for this sensational rumour please ? What I hear was from a radio program so I can't give THAT info. but I did find this on the web. http://www.all-natural.com/bio-chem.html Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 What I hear was from a radio program so I can't give THAT info. but I did find this on the web. http://www.all-natural.com/bio-chem.html Let me guess - Coast To Coast ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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