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Irréversible-Monica Belluci possibly the best looking 46yr old on the planet IMO :)

It's french and difficult to locate...I had link to a free sight but that's since disappeared...it's brutal flick, the violence is graphic and disturbing but belongs in the movie...many people can't get past the first instance, it even bothered me and I'm not easily bothered by movie violence :blink: ...still it's a good drama...

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I agree that Irreversible is an extremely good movie, that's difficult to watch. It's also confusing at first since its timeline is reversed. (This juxtaposed arrangement makes sense since it demonstrates well innocence and learning.)

It's the kind of movie that sticks in your mind. I saw it about five years ago and every so often, it comes back to me.

It is similar to but better than Mourir à tue-tête which IMHO was far too political and weighed down with an agenda.

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Oh man, that movie feels like a punch in the gut. Even though, because of the backwards chronology, the movie technically ends in happiness and love...since we already know the future, we don't leave feeling too warm and fuzzy.

Another one, also French, that made me feel similarly assaulted was Martyrs....what the hell is it about the French, anyway? :)

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That movie is forever burned in my memory. The rape scene was more than I could take, the whole movie is done to make you feel as uncomfortable as possible. It did the job, I've only seen it once, I don't need to see it again.

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That movie is forever burned in my memory. The rape scene was more than I could take, the whole movie is done to make you feel as uncomfortable as possible. It did the job, I've only seen it once, I don't need to see it again.

ya me too...I thought it was very good flic and I never tire of watching Monica Belluci but that rape scene was too intense for me to watch again...

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Oh man, that movie feels like a punch in the gut. Even though, because of the backwards chronology, the movie technically ends in happiness and love...since we already know the future, we don't leave feeling too warm and fuzzy.

Another one, also French, that made me feel similarly assaulted was Martyrs....what the hell is it about the French, anyway? :)

I'll track down Martyrs, thanks for the tip...

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That movie was a pretentious, gratuitously violent and sexist piece of shit. If you took away the backwards conciet, you're looking at a third-rate, art-house "I Spit On Your Grave".

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That movie was a pretentious, gratuitously violent and sexist piece of shit. If you took away the backwards conciet, you're looking at a third-rate, art-house "I Spit On Your Grave".

"Pretentious" is a subjective term, so fair is fair.

But what's "Gratuitously violent"?

Whether or not "gratuitous violence" is inherently bad or not (a premsie that is not a given), how is a movie which is about the violence in question "gratuitously violent"?

"Sexist"? I'm not seeing that either. Certainly the rape scene is not designed to be titillating, and is free of dramatic flourishes.

And I don't know why "art house" is so often considered a term of denigration. As if Rambo and it's like are what films should be (and don't get me wrong...I personally like Rambo)...but that artistic "pretensions" should be kept out of film.

Why?

The Godfather is an art film, incidentally. All the way.

Finally....I Spit on your Grave? That's a pretty unfair comparison. For one thing, Grave isn't scary or horrifying or moving in anyway...which makes it a prima facie failure even within the standards of genre pictures. It's a kind of pornography...I don't even mean that as a moral judgement, but rather an observation. It is designed to be a type of pornography. It is not meant to have any meaning or resonance.

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"Pretentious" is a subjective term, so fair is fair.

But what's "Gratuitously violent"?

Whether or not "gratuitous violence" is inherently bad or not (a premsie that is not a given), how is a movie which is about the violence in question "gratuitously violent"?

"Sexist"? I'm not seeing that either. Certainly the rape scene is not designed to be titillating, and is free of dramatic flourishes.

And I don't know why "art house" is so often considered a term of denigration. As if Rambo and it's like are what films should be (and don't get me wrong...I personally like Rambo)...but that artistic "pretensions" should be kept out of film.

Why?

The Godfather is an art film, incidentally. All the way.

Finally....I Spit on your Grave? That's a pretty unfair comparison. For one thing, Grave isn't scary or horrifying or moving in anyway...which makes it a prima facie failure even within the standards of genre pictures. It's a kind of pornography...I don't even mean that as a moral judgement, but rather an observation. It is designed to be a type of pornography. It is not meant to have any meaning or resonance.

Gratuitously violent? stallone, jackie chan, transformers, bond flics have gratuitous violence, worse yet violence designed for people to laugh at...this flic had only two violent scenes that I recall and were both relevant to the story...the violence was cleaned up hollywood style it was real and ugly like it is in the real world...

sexist film? other monica belluci looking yummy there was nothing sexy/sexist about this film exactly the opposite...

I read somewhere the villain beaten to death was the wrong guy, the rapist could be standing in the background watching the assault, I missed that, is it true?

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That movie was a pretentious, gratuitously violent and sexist piece of shit. If you took away the backwards conciet, you're looking at a third-rate, art-house "I Spit On Your Grave".
But the backward conceit is central to the movie, and the choice of event is critical.

I doubt whether such a film helps anyone overcome trauma but it does help to understand how people do it.

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When people lose something (say, keys), they often retrace their steps to remember where they were before. When we are in a predicament (say, a bad marriage), smart people retrace their steps to discover what they did to put themselves in such a situation. In the broader world, we have coroner inquests, forensic audits and Royal Commissions.

As I remember, this movie (Irreversible) does all of this and shows the audience in effect how people learn. (I'm inclined to believe that we learn more from revisiting our past failures than from celebrating our present victories.)

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Lastly, the movie plays to the usual first lament of someone who has made a mistake: "If only... " As in, "If only I hadn't made that choice... ". In the movie, "If only she had not chosen to take the underpass... "

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I read somewhere the villain beaten to death was the wrong guy, the rapist could be standing in the background watching the assault, I missed that, is it true?

I don't know, but I heard the same thing (not about the rapist witnessing the assault, but that they attacked the wrong man).

I'd have to watch it again, to see if it was the wrong guy or not.

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I don't know, but I heard the same thing (not about the rapist witnessing the assault, but that they attacked the wrong man).

I'd have to watch it again, to see if it was the wrong guy or not.

despite my attraction to monica belluci I can't watch it again it was too disturbing for me...so you watch it and tell me okay? :)

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despite my attraction to monica belluci I can't watch it again it was too disturbing for me...so you watch it and tell me okay? :)

Hey, why should I put myself through that again?

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Hey, why should I put myself through that again?

because I'm too old my heart could give out :blink:

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I love Monica Belluci. Beautiful gal

at 46 she's still a stunner! B)

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