Will Sun TV News be Good or Bad for Canadian Democracy?

[Evening Star]

Is the crew here?

Given that some of the same people are making the same unsupported claims about the CBC's 'liberal bias', using the same 'debating' 'techniques', I think it's fair to say "yes"?

[Shakeyhands]

What "actual university"? The U of Zero that wouldn't let Ann Coulter speak? That argument is in pretty shakey hands.

The University of Maryland didn't allow her to speak? That's news to me.

So from your comment, we can safely assume that we can't believe any study or finding becuae a University didn't allow ol' horse face to speak. Talk about your weak arguments.

[Saipan]

Given that some of the same people are making the same unsupported claims about the CBC's 'liberal bias', using the same 'debating' 'techniques', I think it's fair to say "yes"?

Unsupported claim by the right vs. unsupported claim by the left?

One more reason the have, in all fairness, Sun TV supported by ALL taxpayers.

[Saipan]

So from your comment, we can safely assume that we can't believe any study or finding becuae a University didn't allow ol' horse face to speak. Talk about your weak arguments.

Actually Alan Rock, the ol' gun control architect, din't allow that.

[William Ashley]

The more the merrier, if they have sponsers then it can float otherwise it will be paying for voice.

This is something I think is 1000x the issue of suntv

CANADIAN RADIO-TELEVISION AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION

NOTICE OF CONSULTATION 2010-926

Notice of hearing

February 8, 2011

Gatineau, Quebec

Deadline for submission of interventions and/or comments: January 11, 2011

The Commission will hold a hearing commencing on February 8, 2011, at 9 a.m., at the Conference Centre, Phase IV, 140 Promenade du Portage, Gatineau, Quebec, to consider the following application:

1. BCE Inc., on behalf of CTVglobemedia Inc. and its licensed broadcasting subsidiaries

Across Canada

Application by BCE Inc. (BCE), on behalf of CTVglobemedia Inc. (CTVgm) and its licensed broadcasting subsidiaries, for authority to change the effective control of CTVgm’s broadcasting entities to BCE.

December 9, 2010

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Thatis bell will become a "broadcaster" this has special effects on various requirements under the CRTCa. It is actually a massive change.. .and I think it has to do with more than just content distribution - but nextgen mobile streaming and kickbacks on CTVgm's carriage requirement as a broadcaster.

It is odd though - I was under the impression communications companies didn't want to be classed as a "broadcaster"

take for instnace

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/cant-separate-telecom-broadcasting-crtc-head/article1596156/

note there is a new HINDI station due to go nationwide in the new year also.

one must question though.. digital television transition.....

and how the main networks will play into this --- will they carry their own stations or buddy up ??? it will make tranmission more cost effective because multiple stations can be carried.. will this mean more foreign media broadcasts due to reduced transmission costs.. thus more "carriage requirements..."

CANADIAN RADIO-TELEVISION AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION

NOTICE OF CONSULTATION 2010-927

Call for comments on proposed regulations for the digital television transition

1. Consistent with Issues related to the digital television transition, Broadcasting Regulatory Policy CRTC 2010-485, July 16, 2010, the Commission proposes to adopt the annexed Conversion from Analog to Digital Television Regulations to require licensed television broadcasters that operate stations, including rebroadcasting transmitters, in the following markets and/or on channels 52 to 69 to broadcast public service announcements (PSAs) and service loss notices relating to the conversion to digital television on August 31, 2011:

markets containing a provincial, a territorial or the national capital;

markets with populations over 300 000; and

markets with more than one local television station.

2. The Commission invites comments on the wording of the proposed regulations set out in the appendix to the notice.

3. The Commission will accept comments that it receives on or before January 11, 2011.

December 9, 2010

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then what we have is "broadcaster vs. carrier"

will there be any "sole carriers" who don't get funds kicked back to them or the carriage required stations.

I am guessing SUNtv may just be one of many new offerings after august.. when TV goes digital in canada.

august is a huge date.. and if broadcasting goes foreign allowed (currrently only domestic control is allowed) then this is a massive change in media.. it does however insulate companies like CTV from foreign control.. ----- that is it right there though if effective control is by BCE it would prevent BCE from being bought out by a foreign company even though communications firms are now able to be foreign operated.. a little bit of a protective mechanism. no?

http://www.mondaq.com/canada/article.asp?articleid=118266

Edited December 19, 2010 by William Ashley

[Saipan]

The more the merrier, if they have sponsers then it can float otherwise it will be paying for voice.

All taxpayers will be the sponsors. Plus commercials.

Same as CBC.

[Jack Weber]

Sounds like it... LOL just more kids stomping their feet and having a tantrum over - gasp - shock - a TV program with a - gasp- conservative slant.

as Michael Coren said:

Sun TV News couldn’t buy this kind of publicity and once again the left have shown their useful idiot qualities and displayed that combination of hypocrisy and misunderstanding of the popular will that has made them such electoral giants.

Every time another liberal type screams that this will be Fox North and that the right will dominate it and that it’s just not fair, the people in charge at Sun TV News open another bottle of their Bollinger Bolshevik and Champagne Socialist booze.

The station is going to happen. Just like the CBC it will have certain biases. Unlike the CBC it will not be as crass in displaying them and you won’t have to finance the people who make and present the shows.

I like Mike,but that drivel above about it not being as crass in its biases get a big...

WHATEVER!!!

[scribblet]

The thing is you see, we don't know because we haven't seen it yet, but I believe Coren has been approached so he may know a tad more than all the spin doctors on here do. All in all though, it can only strengthen democracy.

[Evening Star]

Unsupported claim by the right vs. unsupported claim by the left?

One more reason the have, in all fairness, Sun TV supported by ALL taxpayers.

I did back up whatever claims I made on the other thread.

[Jack Weber]

The thing is you see, we don't know because we haven't seen it yet, but I believe Coren has been approached so he may know a tad more than all the spin doctors on here do. All in all though, it can only strengthen democracy.

Yes...

Because sending people into ideological media camps is a strengthening force for democracy...

And Coren has been approached and I hope he does'nt go...

[Shakeyhands]

Actually Alan Rock, the ol' gun control architect, din't allow that.

Jeebus, Alan Rock controls things at the U of M???

This Liberal conspiracy is much larger than I thought!!!!!!

[pfezziwig]

Funny how those on the Left support Freedom of Expression and fight censorship, but try to suppress anything that differs with their ideals by labelling it hateful racism, the Left are less tolerant then the Right.

You'ld think after the last 5 years of failed attempts by the Left to paint anyone on the Right as racists and sexist they'ld see the hipocrosity by now, maybe they're so fanatical after doing it successfully for 20 years they can't change.

[Molly]

Depending on the degree to which Sun tv emulates the southern model, the question becomes whether disinformation/misinformation/outright ignorance is good or bad for democracy.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/dec10/Misinformation_Dec10_rpt.pdf

"4. Variations in Misinformation by Exposure to News Sources

Consumers of all sources of media evidenced substantial misinformation, suggesting that false or misleading information is widespread in the general information environment, just as voters say they perceive it to be. In most cases increasing exposure to news sources decreased misinformation; however, for some news sources on some issues, higher levels of exposure increased

misinformation.....................................................................................................................................19

2"

It's worth reading all about it.

Edited December 20, 2010 by Molly

[Saipan]

Jeebus, Alan Rock controls things at the U of M???

Maybe, but mainly U of O.

http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_1491.html

This Liberal conspiracy is much larger than I thought!!!!!!

Really? And then comes Wedny Cukier and Ryerson..... money laundering by her NGO and more.

[Saipan]

Depending on the degree to which Sun tv emulates the southern model, the question becomes whether disinformation/misinformation/outright ignorance is good or bad for democracy.

Wouldn't that decision be UP TO THE VIEWERS?

Or Liberal CBC?

[Shakeyhands]

Maybe, but mainly U of O.

http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_1491.html

Really? And then comes Wedny Cukier and Ryerson..... money laundering by her NGO and more.

Neither of these has anything to do with a study completed by the University of Maryland.

[Shakeyhands]

Wouldn't that decision be UP TO THE VIEWERS?

Or Liberal CBC?

I wouldn't think that "the voters" otherwise known as CPC supporters would support "disinformation/misinformation/outright ignorance" but I've been surprised them before.

Support the Troops!

[Saipan]

I wouldn't think that "the voters" otherwise known as CPC supporters would support "disinformation/misinformation/outright ignorance"

Exactly.

If Allan Rock promises long firearm registration will cost $2 million to ram it fast through the Parliament, and then it reaches $2 BILLION we know what missinformation is.

To put it very conservatively

[dre]

Or Liberal CBC?

ROFLMAO

[Saipan]

Neither of these has anything to do with a study completed by the University of Maryland.

University of Maryland has nothing to do with Sun TV and Canadian democracy.

[Saipan]

ROFLMAO

[Shakeyhands]

University of Maryland has nothing to do with Sun TV and Canadian democracy.

First thing you've been right about on this thread so far, the U of M does have something to do with a scathing report on deliberate misinformation on Fox News and we wondered if the same misinformation would be produced by Sun TV. I see now that you are ok with that misinformation being desseminated, you must be a hard core CPC supporter.

Edited December 21, 2010 by Shakeyhands

[Saipan]

First thing you've been right about on this thread so far, the U of M does have something to do with a scathing report on deliberate misinformation on Fox News and we wondered if the same misinformation would be produced by Sun TV.

Who's "we"?

You have evidence?

ANY evidence?

I wonder if the misinformation by Beijing will eventually filter down to CBC. As other liberal misinformations do.

[bloodyminded]

Who's "we"?

You have evidence?

ANY evidence?

I wonder if the misinformation by Beijing will eventually filter down to CBC. As other liberal misinformations do.

And where's your evidence that CBC has a leftist bias?

[Shwa]

And where's your evidence that CBC has a leftist bias?

He'll have to wait until SunTV comes up with a story about it. Then, you know, he'll have his proof.