PIK Posted October 8, 2010 Report Posted October 8, 2010 http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/brian_lilley/2010/10/07/15622336.html Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shakeyhands Posted October 8, 2010 Report Posted October 8, 2010 meh... another Sun article. Worst paper out there. Why must you guys continually refer to Ignatieff as Iggy? Is Ignatieff too hard for you to spell? Perhaps Harpers detractors here should go back to Stevie? I mean, Greg and Charles did ask that you all stop referring to Ignatieff as Iggy, but if it's a spelling issue, there are people on this site that can assist you.... Let us know. Thanks Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Topaz Posted October 8, 2010 Report Posted October 8, 2010 http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/brian_lilley/2010/10/07/15622336.html Gee, that's like saying Harper is acting the premiers of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta right now. Quote
Evening Star Posted October 8, 2010 Report Posted October 8, 2010 While it might have not have seemed like it for a while now, the federal govt is supposed to play a role in funding as well as setting national goals and standards for education and health care and has for a long time. Quote
RNG Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 meh... another Sun article. Worst paper out there. Why must you guys continually refer to Ignatieff as Iggy? Is Ignatieff too hard for you to spell? Perhaps Harpers detractors here should go back to Stevie? I mean, Greg and Charles did ask that you all stop referring to Ignatieff as Iggy, but if it's a spelling issue, there are people on this site that can assist you.... Let us know. Thanks Perhaps because he is an Iggy? Harper is pissing me off with his "man of the people" schtick. But Iggy is a joke. He's never had a real job and don't know anything about the real world. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
waldo Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 Harper is pissing me off with his "man of the people" schtick. are you saying Harper shouldn't come down from on high and mix amongst the plebes... or are you questioning Harper's sincerity? Quote
RNG Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) are you saying Harper shouldn't come down from on high and mix amongst the plebes... or are you questioning Harper's sincerity? I'm contrasting Harper's phoneyness to Iggy's non-cogisance. They are both totally wrong, and I can't vote NDPinko, so I hope to hell that either there is a decent independent in my riding, or the Green candidate isn't typical of them. The fallback position is to not vote for the first time in 45 years. Edited October 9, 2010 by RNG Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Evening Star Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 It's funny: I can't really call him "Iggy" because that always makes me think of Iggy Pop, who is so much cooler than Michael Ignatieff. Quote
waldo Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 I'm contrasting Harper's phoneyness to Iggy's non-cogisance. They are both totally wrong, and I can't vote NDPinko, so I hope to hell that either there is a decent independent in my riding, or the Green candidate isn't typical of them. The fallback position is to not vote for the first time in 45 years. good on ya - your leveling Harper with a deceptive, untruthful and dishonest assessment is a step forward... acknowledgment is always one of the required first steps. I am surprised you would carry it to a non-voting level - most disenfranchised Conservatives simply suggest they'll hold their noses in the polling booth. Quote
RNG Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 It's funny: I can't really call him "Iggy" because that always makes me think of Iggy Pop, who is so much cooler than Michael Ignatieff. Word, dude! Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Argus Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) While it might have not have seemed like it for a while now, the federal govt is supposed to play a role in funding as well as setting national goals and standards for education and health care and has for a long time. When has the federal government ever set any standards for education? The federal government also sets no standards for health care, and the provinces would be outraged if it tried. The Canada Health Act merely sets a broad framework within which the provinces will administer health care with federal money. There is nothing for the feds to do there. UNLESS of course, he comes up with a sweeping new policy initiative to reform health care and involves the provinces. But I have yet to hear one single new idea from him or the Liberals on that score. Regardless of whether you want to turn up your nose at the fact the opinion piece was in the Sun it's also correct in that Ignatieff is trying to focus on issues which are not relevant to the job he is pursuing. Edited October 9, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 good on ya - your leveling Harper with a deceptive, untruthful and dishonest assessment is a step forward... Meh. You might as well just label him as a politician. They're ALL deceptive and untruthful ... dishonest is actually just a synonym of untruthful, you know. Or maybe you don't. Now let's see if you can show a step forward and admit that Ignatief is also dishonest and deceptive, as is Layton. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) The gist of the article touches on an important part of Canadian politics. The division of powers within our Constitution and resulting legislation and transfer payments that support them - cleraly put the responsibility for delivering Healthcare and Education on the Provinces. It was disingenuous for Paul Martin to make the claim that he would "fix healthcare for a generation" with his no-strings-attached transfer of $41 billion to the provinces over ten years. With luck, that would amount to about one billion for Ontario each year. To put it in perspective, Ontario spends $50 billion (and rising) on healthcare each year. So.....like Martin before him, Mr. Ignatieff is fraudulently representing the Federal Government's impact, if not it's authority. Likewise in Education - it's a provincial juristiction and Ontario spends more than $20 billion on it. That is not to say that the Federal Government cannot help in some ways to help kick-start some studies and initiatives - or even provide some funding for infrastructure.....but it's the provinces who deliver the services and each one will have to innovate and develop best-practices. We are fortunate to have provinces and territories who can try new things and learn from each other. We don't need more Liberal grand plans in these areas. It's not their role. It may win some votes by duping the gullible but methinks Canadians are wising up to these Liberal tricks. Good luck Mr. Ignatieff.....if not Premier, perhaps mayor. Edited October 9, 2010 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 The gist of the article touches on an important part of Canadian politics. The division of powers within our Constitution and resulting legislation abd transfer payments that support them - cleraly put the responsibility for delivering Healthcare and Education on the Provinces. It was disingenuous for Paul Martin to make the claim that he would "fix healthcare for a generation" with his no-strings-attached transfer of $41 billion to the provinces over ten years. With luck, that would amount to about one billion for Ontario each year. To put it in perspective, Ontario spends $50 billion (and rising) on healthcare each year. So.....like Martin before him, Mr. Ignatieff is fraudulently representing the Federal Government's impact, if not it's authority. That is not to say that the Federal Government cannot help in some ways to help kick-start some studies and initiatives - or even provide some funding for infrastructure.....but it's the provinces who deliver the services and each one will have to innovate and develop best-practices. We are fortunate to have provinces and territories who can try new things and learn from each other. as is your most simplistic way, you presume to take the narrowest of interpretations over division of roles/responsibilities (federal versus provincial)... since you specifically highlight health/health care - here... education is a powerful tool: The Federal Role in Health and Health Care Quote
Saipan Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 Perhaps Harpers detractors here should go back to Stevie? They usually use Harperites. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2010 Report Posted October 9, 2010 as is your most simplistic way, you presume to take the narrowest of interpretations over division of roles/responsibilities (federal versus provincial)... since you specifically highlight health/health care - here... education is a powerful tool: The Federal Role in Health and Health Care The federal government, according to your own cite, is limited to establishing a broad framework, funneling money, and deciding on matters of criminality regarding illegal substances and the like. So as has been stated, NONE of the things which concern the electorate about Health care, and for which Ignatieff is attempting to gain political mileage, are the responsibility of the federal government. But then, you probably didn't even read it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Mr.Canada Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 Meh. You might as well just label him as a politician. They're ALL deceptive and untruthful ... dishonest is actually just a synonym of untruthful, you know. Or maybe you don't. Now let's see if you can show a step forward and admit that Ignatief is also dishonest and deceptive, as is Layton. PM Harper has been like a father to Canadians. Always being truthful and always leading by example. We are all Harpers children as he guides us Canadians through the difficult early adolescent years on our way to becoming adults. So let's all gather around the fireplace while papa Harper tells us another tale of how horrible it would be if the socialists were to regain power in this country. We're listening and ready to learn papa. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) PM Harper has been like a father to Canadians. STFU already, troll. Edited October 10, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 STFU already, troll. lol Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Jack Weber Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 PM Harper has been like a father to Canadians. Always being truthful and always leading by example. We are all Harpers children as he guides us Canadians through the difficult early adolescent years on our way to becoming adults. So let's all gather around the fireplace while papa Harper tells us another tale of how horrible it would be if the socialists were to regain power in this country. We're listening and ready to learn papa. Mr.Falange is off on his creepy "Harper is my DaDa" routine... Seriously,you have the sheeple mindset of alot of people who were in countries with the Fascist leaders you so admire... I suppose it belies a small mindedness that shows folks like you NEED to be lead because you cannot think for yourself... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Mr.Canada Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 Mr.Falange is off on his creepy "Harper is my DaDa" routine... Seriously,you have the sheeple mindset of alot of people who were in countries with the Fascist leaders you so admire... I suppose it belies a small mindedness that shows folks like you NEED to be lead because you cannot think for yourself... 100 people of one mindset and belief system are much more difficult to defeat then 100 people are varying thought patterns and beliefs. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Jack Weber Posted October 10, 2010 Report Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) 100 people of one mindset and belief system are much more difficult to defeat then 100 people are varying thought patterns and beliefs. Seeing as you seem to be an expert on the subject... Could you please elucidate for all of us where the groupthink theories you seem to advocate for have been a negative and a positive? Specifically where a populous has began to almost worship a leader who seems to be a strong,disciplinarian,father figure type? Edited October 10, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Evening Star Posted October 11, 2010 Report Posted October 11, 2010 When has the federal government ever set any standards for education? The federal government also sets no standards for health care, and the provinces would be outraged if it tried. The Canada Health Act merely sets a broad framework within which the provinces will administer health care with federal money. There is nothing for the feds to do there. UNLESS of course, he comes up with a sweeping new policy initiative to reform health care and involves the provinces. But I have yet to hear one single new idea from him or the Liberals on that score. Regardless of whether you want to turn up your nose at the fact the opinion piece was in the Sun it's also correct in that Ignatieff is trying to focus on issues which are not relevant to the job he is pursuing. I think you're right, actually. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted October 11, 2010 Report Posted October 11, 2010 Seeing as you seem to be an expert on the subject... Could you please elucidate for all of us where the groupthink theories you seem to advocate for have been a negative and a positive? Specifically where a populous has began to almost worship a leader who seems to be a strong,disciplinarian,father figure type? I can picture the wide eyes and blinking as "someone" looks at all those BIG words and tries to formulate some sort of response. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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