Moonlight Graham Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Link Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no? Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Sir Bandelot Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Khadr is a test-case that paves the way for future trials of detained suspects frm the war on terror. Many of them have been tortured as well, and so they need to create a work around for that legal issue. That's why Khadr doesn't want the trial to take place at all. He and those like him are all dead men walking. Quote
Topaz Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 There's really a double standard here. Khadr says he didn't kill the medic, but we don't know one way or another. We have this US soldier saying Khadr had to be one that killed the medic because he was the only one alive in the house. Now, we have Blackwater getting off scott free from killing civilians as they travelled down the streets of Iraq. So is the US government saying it ok for US mercentaries to kill civilians, but, not ok for anyone to kill a US soldier in a war??? Quote
Shady Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Now, we have Blackwater getting off scott free from killing civilians Once again, you don't have your facts straight. Blackwater was fined $42 million dollars for trading violations. It had nothing to do with killing civilians. That was a seperate issue. In either case, being fined almost $50 million dollars isn't getting off anything so-called scott free. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Once again, you don't have your facts straight. Blackwater was fined $42 million dollars for trading violations. It had nothing to do with killing civilians. That was a seperate issue. In either case, being fined almost $50 million dollars isn't getting off anything so-called scott free. You're not making sense here, Billy. Blackwater was fined $42 million dollars for trading violations. It had nothing to do with killing civilians. That was a seperate issue. All good up to that point. Quote
Shady Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 You're not making sense here, Billy. Not sure who Billy is, but I'm making perfect sense. In terms of Blackwater's civilian incidents. Several individual members of Blackwater have been charged with murder in connection with deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Not sure who Billy is, but I'm making perfect sense. In terms of Blackwater's civilian incidents. Several individual members of Blackwater have been charged with murder in connection with deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then how do you connect the crime of illegally selling weapons to the crime of killing civilians? You said it yourself. "In either case, being fined almost $50 million dollars isn't getting off anything so-called scott free." And remember, you were replying to Topaz when he called it a double-standard. Quote
Army Guy Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no?Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. Had the ruling gone in Omars favour would your opinion have changed that the trail was fair ? It's a joke because it's a military trail, with military judges and Military lawyers ? Correct me if i'm wrong but they are binded by the same laws as thier civilian counter parts unless you can prove other wise, so why do you have such an unbais opinion. Khadr is a test-case that paves the way for future trials of detained suspects frm the war on terror. Many of them have been tortured as well, and so they need to create a work around for that legal issue. Create a work around,thats funney.... Omars defense team failed to prove that he was in fact tortured, in fact Omar decided not to take the stand to defned himself....so failing to prove there was torture your entire case or piont that he was, falls apart does it not.... That's why Khadr doesn't want the trial to take place at all. He and those like him are all dead men walking. Who cares what Khadr wants....He would not be in this trial had his actions not steered him in this direction....after all it's not like he stole some candy at the local corner store...he was part of a terrorist group that is using terror as a wpn again'st civilians around the globe...and he has taken an active role in thier cause...and now he is going to be held accountable for those actions.... Perhaps you missed the piont that this is one of the groups our nation is currently at war with..one of the groups that sends our young soldiers on that long trip down the Hyway of hero's.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
M.Dancer Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 Link Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no? Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. I have alsways thought if there was evidence of torture we would know about it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Peter F Posted August 23, 2010 Report Posted August 23, 2010 I have alsways thought if there was evidence of torture we would know about it. Yes, unknown evidence isn't really evidence. Khadr refused to take the stand to establish the torturing through cross examination and such. Claims must be supported not just claimed. The ruling makes sense, I think. So now its up to the jury guys to decide if his confessions have meaning or not. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
msdogfood Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 Link Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no? Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. The US needs to say that for domestic PR!!! Quote
Army Guy Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 The US needs to say that for domestic PR!!! I'd be curious if the average American actually gives a rats ass about Khadr. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Topaz Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 Once again, you don't have your facts straight. Blackwater was fined $42 million dollars for trading violations. It had nothing to do with killing civilians. That was a seperate issue. In either case, being fined almost $50 million dollars isn't getting off anything so-called scott free. Shady, you are right about what the fine was for and this also shows what Blackwater is all about. The case of the killings of Iraqis, five were charged and all got off. I found the sub title for this but because of the time past I couldn't find the whole story. I do remember reading part of the reason was the US government is hiring them for Afghanistan. So its still a double -standard. http://www.washingtontimes.com/search/?cx=015385541671335030271%3Anfb7f1nj88q&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=blackwater&siteurl=www.washingtontimes.com%2F#992 Quote
wyly Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 Link Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no? Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. not surprising coming from a government that claims waterboarding isn't torture... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Shady Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 Then how do you connect the crime of illegally selling weapons to the crime of killing civilians? You said it yourself. "In either case, being fined almost $50 million dollars isn't getting off anything so-called scott free." And remember, you were replying to Topaz when he called it a double-standard. There are members of Blackwater that have been charged with murder. Blackwater is being prosecuted for both types of crimes. I'm not sure how that's getting off anything scott free. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) I'd be curious if the average American actually gives a rats ass about Khadr. I'm guessing the average American doesn't even know who he is. Edited August 24, 2010 by American Woman Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 24, 2010 Report Posted August 24, 2010 not surprising coming from a government that claims waterboarding isn't torture... Except Obama has said that waterboarding is torture and it was a mistake to engage in it. So "the government" doesn't make the claim that waterboarding isn't torture; some within the government have made that claim. Quote
Topaz Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 Now, the Afghanistan government are telling private security contractors he doesn't want them in his country and have 4 months to clear out. He feels they do more bad than good and don't want civilians killed like in Iraq plus of the other activities some have. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0816/afghan-government-private-security-firms-4-months-disband/ Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 Now, the Afghanistan government are telling private security contractors he doesn't want them in his country and have 4 months to clear out. He feels they do more bad than good and don't want civilians killed like in Iraq plus of the other activities some have. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0816/afghan-government-private-security-firms-4-months-disband/ What on earth does that have to do with this thread? Why not make a post on insurance here too... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Sir Bandelot Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 What on earth does that have to do with this thread? Why not make a post on insurance here too... That's right. Nothing to see here folks... move along... Quote
Bonam Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 Link Yes, of course he wasn't Mr. independent U.S. military judge Colonel Patrick Harris. Predictable, no? Who can believe any ruling coming out of this "fair trial". It's a joke. And the Harper govt doesn't give a hoot. Why should he "give a hoot"? I sure don't. This is a dude who shoulda been killed in the building to begin with. Quote
wyly Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 Except Obama has said that waterboarding is torture and it was a mistake to engage in it. So "the government" doesn't make the claim that waterboarding isn't torture; some within the government have made that claim. GWB claimed it was not torture....the government and the military government are not on the same page obviously...the military operates on a different level of justice...the whole Kadr situation looks like one of those hollywood movies about corrupt kangaroo courts behind the old iron curtian, it's a sham, the entire process is geared toward a conviction and it's conclusion has already been decided... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
M.Dancer Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 it's a sham, the entire process is geared toward a conviction and it's conclusion has already been decided... Yes of course... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shady Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 GWB claimed it was not torture.... Last I checked, he's not part of the government anymore. Hasn't been for a couple of years. And even when he was, it was only used a few times until 2003. Mountain out of a mole hill. Quote
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