Long Gun registry Fact

[lukin]

I've been doing some research on the long-gun registry. The Liberals claim that the long gun registry gets hit 9 to 11 thousand times a day. I found this to be a fact.

However, if I get pulled over for a routine traffic stop, the police officer will enter my info and the long gun registry will get a hit. That is a fact. It's amazing to me how liberals, and the media don't report the latter fact. Tom Clark, the biased liberal host of Power Play didn't seek the truth when he tried to make the CPC look follish for bill C- 391.

[Smallc]

I really laugh at the idea of Tom Clark being a liberal.

[lukin]

I really laugh at the idea of Tom Clark being a liberal.

What do you think he is. He tries his hardest to nail conservatives. Pay attention smallc, it'll do you a world of good.

[Topaz]

Most of the police back the registry up.As far as Tom Clark, he goes after ALL parties but he should go after the seating government and that is the Tories and I glad he does. Now that Duffy is not on there to help them out they have to come up with their own ToryTV support. The seating government should be on the hot seat while in government, pros and cons.

[lukin]

Most of the police back the registry up.As far as Tom Clark, he goes after ALL parties but he should go after the seating government and that is the Tories and I glad he does. Now that Duffy is not on there to help them out they have to come up with their own ToryTV support. The seating government should be on the hot seat while in government, pros and cons.

Actually Topaz, many police officers are against the registry, and see it as a useless tool. police chiefs, such as the one in Toronto would would rather spend money on the registry instead of adding more officers to the force. The police officers in my community are against the registry.

Here are some interesting comments from high ranking liberals with reference to the gun registry.

"I came to Ottawa ... with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." — Liberal minister of justice Allan Rock, 1994.

2. "C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada. "— Liberal senator Sharon Carstairs, 1996.

3. "Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world."— Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, 1998.

4. "Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda." — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy at a gun control conference, Oslo, Norway, 1998.

[Smallc]

What do you think he is. He tries his hardest to nail conservatives. Pay attention smallc, it'll do you a world of good.

Any good journalist should be going after the government for much of what they do, especially if there are questions about it...and right now, the Conservatives are in government.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Smallc

[Moonlight Graham]

Here are some interesting comments from high ranking liberals with reference to the gun registry.

"I came to Ottawa ... with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." — Liberal minister of justice Allan Rock, 1994.

2. "C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada. "— Liberal senator Sharon Carstairs, 1996.

3. "Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world."— Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, 1998.

4. "Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda." — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy at a gun control conference, Oslo, Norway, 1998.

That's some laughable and somewhat scary bullsh*t right there.

[Jack Weber]

Any good journalist should be going after the government for much of what they do, specially if there are questions about it...and right now, the Conservatives are in government.

Correct!!!

[Shakeyhands]

However, if I get pulled over for a routine traffic stop, the police officer will enter my info and the long gun registry will get a hit. That is a fact.

I fail to see what the issue is with this scenario?

[Topaz]

Actually Topaz, many police officers are against the registry, and see it as a useless tool. police chiefs, such as the one in Toronto would would rather spend money on the registry instead of adding more officers to the force. The police officers in my community are against the registry.

Here are some interesting comments from high ranking liberals with reference to the gun registry.

"I came to Ottawa ... with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." — Liberal minister of justice Allan Rock, 1994.

2. "C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada. "— Liberal senator Sharon Carstairs, 1996.

3. "Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world."— Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, 1998.

4. "Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda." — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy at a gun control conference, Oslo, Norway, 1998.

Well, I have watched the committees meeting on this and there is more support by the police than not. As far as I'm concerned it should be up to the provinces, since it seems the western provinces are against it and the rest are for it.

[capricorn]

I fail to see what the issue is with this scenario?

Shakey, it seems to me the issue is that the registry database is accessed automatically even if a check of the registry is not required in certain circumstances. For example, I got pulled over for a burnt out licence plate bulb. While he's at it, the officer may have wanted to check my licence plate say, for unpaid fines, a query would be automatically routed to the registry. Proponents of the registry rely on the mathematical total number of hits to argue that the registry is an essential law enforcement tool.

[kimmy]

I fail to see what the issue is with this scenario?

The issue, Shakey, is the dishonest use of the number of "hits" to the database as a rationale for its continued existence.

People quote the number of times this thing gets accessed with the implication being that it's an important crime-solving tool.

The truth is, the hits to the database are almost entirely from police officers trying to figure out if you're armed before they knock on your door. Register your rifle, and you're assured that if the police ever need to visit your residence, they'll do so with the assumption that you're armed and potentially dangerous.

"I came to Ottawa ... with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." — Liberal minister of justice Allan Rock, 1994.

2. "C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada. "— Liberal senator Sharon Carstairs, 1996.

3. "Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world."— Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, 1998.

4. "Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda." — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy at a gun control conference, Oslo, Norway, 1998.

I had to look those up myself to verify that they're real, and ... they are. I'm pretty much astounded.

People who live in cities seem completely unaware that there are places in Canada where having a firearm is not a matter of recreation, but of necessity.

-k

[bloodyminded]

People who live in cities seem completely unaware that there are places in Canada where having a firearm is not a matter of recreation, but of necessity.

-k

Coming from a mostly rural province, I'm inclined to agree. Guns just aren't that scary. (And I have no horse in this race, as I don't own a gun.)

In fact, I don't even care for the "necessity" argument, as it doesn't matter.

[lukin]

The issue, Shakey, is the dishonest use of the number of "hits" to the database as a rationale for its continued existence.

People quote the number of times this thing gets accessed with the implication being that it's an important crime-solving tool.

The truth is, the hits to the database are almost entirely from police officers trying to figure out if you're armed before they knock on your door. Register your rifle, and you're assured that if the police ever need to visit your residence, they'll do so with the assumption that you're armed and potentially dangerous.

I had to look those up myself to verify that they're real, and ... they are. I'm pretty much astounded.

-k

These quotes by high-ranking liberal members should be of great concern to Canadians.

[capricorn]

Those quotes made my hair stand on end. Here's another good one.

"If the registry can prevent one person in this country from either committing suicide, from being injured or killed, or that a crime is solved as a result of information obtained by the registry, isn't that worth it for all Canadians?"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100506/national/gun_registry

Well duh. Then why don't we have a registry for knives? Why don't we screen people who buy ropes in case they hang themselves with them?

And about the claim that the majority of cops support the registry.

But Manitoba Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner, who tabled the bill, was pitting cop against cop, claiming they are divided on the issue.

She held a news conference with three former Winnipeg SWAT team members who said the registry is all but useless.

Jack Tinsley, a retired inspector, said registry opponents within police ranks have been muzzled.

Dave Shipman, who retired after 25 years with the force — 16 of them in homicide — said he's seen hundreds of killings with a myriad of weapons.

"Never have I attended a killing when a registry of any of the weapons would have prevented that killing from occurring," Shipman said.

"The long-gun registry is not working to prevent gun crime as it was intended. Criminals ... do not register their stolen or smuggled guns that are being used to wage war in our cities."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100506/national/gun_registry

[Molly]

All we need to do now is vote for a party that promises the immediate end of the registry.

Wait. We already did that... twice....

[Shakeyhands]

The issue, Shakey, is the dishonest use of the number of "hits" to the database as a rationale for its continued existence.

People quote the number of times this thing gets accessed with the implication being that it's an important crime-solving tool.

The truth is, the hits to the database are almost entirely from police officers trying to figure out if you're armed before they knock on your door. Register your rifle, and you're assured that if the police ever need to visit your residence, they'll do so with the assumption that you're armed and potentially dangerous.

-k

I hear what you are saying, but to play devils advocate... If I were a police officer, and I was stopping you for whatever reason, I for one would like to know that information. I'd like to have as much information as is available to ensure the safety of myself and the general public. If know that you are the owner of a shotgun or rifle then at the very least I am aware that the possibility exists that you have a weapon on you. I see no issue with it what so ever.

I'd be interested to hear the context of some of those quotes, surely they don't mean hunting rifles etc.

[Wild Bill]

I hear what you are saying, but to play devils advocate... If I were a police officer, and I was stopping you for whatever reason, I for one would like to know that information. I'd like to have as much information as is available to ensure the safety of myself and the general public. If know that you are the owner of a shotgun or rifle then at the very least I am aware that the possibility exists that you have a weapon on you. I see no issue with it what so ever.

I'd be interested to hear the context of some of those quotes, surely they don't mean hunting rifles etc.

So you believe that if a registry check did NOT say you had a shotgun or a rifle a cop should not need to worry about it?

Considering that criminals are not very conscientious about registering guns, wouldn't you have to ALWAYS be careful, no matter what the registry said? And if that's the case, what good is the registry report?

I have a hard time with your logic here, SH!

[lukin]

All we need to do now is vote for a party that promises the immediate end of the registry.

Wait. We already did that... twice....

The CPC have tried, but it's the opposition parties that don't want to end the registry. It is, after all, a minority parliament. getting rid of the registry is a good idea, and will save canadians money, yet the opposition think otherwise. Do you know how parliament works, Molly?

[Handsome Rob]

I hear what you are saying, but to play devils advocate... If I were a police officer, and I was stopping you for whatever reason, I for one would like to know that information. I'd like to have as much information as is available to ensure the safety of myself and the general public. If know that you are the owner of a shotgun or rifle then at the very least I am aware that the possibility exists that you have a weapon on you. I see no issue with it what so ever.

I'd be interested to hear the context of some of those quotes, surely they don't mean hunting rifles etc.

Any police officer worth his wits considers any stop and any house potentially armed. The majority of potential weapons danger comes from unregistered, besides the fact that their are more unregistered firearms in Canada than registered, the accuracy of registry information is pitiful, and their is no punishment for being dishonest in terms of registered addresses & such.

[lukin]

Any police officer worth his wits considers any stop and any house potentially armed. The majority of potential weapons danger comes from unregistered, besides the fact that their are more unregistered firearms in Canada than registered, the accuracy of registry information is pitiful, and their is no punishment for being dishonest in terms of registered addresses & such.

This is exactly right, thus explaining why the registry was, is, and will continue to be a huge waste of money if Liberals and NDP members allow it to be.

Criminals do not register firearms; especially the sawed-off variety.

[kimmy]

I hear what you are saying, but to play devils advocate... If I were a police officer, and I was stopping you for whatever reason, I for one would like to know that information. I'd like to have as much information as is available to ensure the safety of myself and the general public. If know that you are the owner of a shotgun or rifle then at the very least I am aware that the possibility exists that you have a weapon on you. I see no issue with it what so ever.

As Bill points out, that police officer had darned well better be aware of the possibility that the suspect has a weapon anyway. The guy who is most likely to pull a heater from under his car seat and start blasting is the guy who is least likely to have actually registered it.

I have heard one "friend-of-a-friend" account of an incident where police arrived at a residence for a minor domestic disturbance complaint, already in aggressive stance and shouting "WHERE ARE THE GUNS?" "WHERE ARE THE GUNS?" and were not satisfied until all of the registered weapons were accounted for, at which point it was explained that concerned neighbors had heard shouting and called the police to make sure everything was ok. I've read other anecdotes along the same lines.

I'd be interested to hear the context of some of those quotes, surely they don't mean hunting rifles etc.

The Carstairs quote refers specifically to C-68, the Rock quote is from 1994, when the Liberals were fighting for a long gun registry, and the Axworthy ones are from 1998 at a gun control conference where, presumably, Canada's newest gun control measures would have been pertinent.

-k

[Shakeyhands]

Any police officer worth his wits considers any stop and any house potentially armed. The majority of potential weapons danger comes from unregistered, besides the fact that their are more unregistered firearms in Canada than registered, the accuracy of registry information is pitiful, and their is no punishment for being dishonest in terms of registered addresses & such.

Fair enough, I agree with you for the most part. The way I see it though, it's just one more tool in the tool box.

[lukin]

Fair enough, I agree with you for the most part. The way I see it though, it's just one more tool in the tool box.

Yeah, one more tool that costs a lot of money and does nothing to reduce crime.

[PIK]

I too have talk to police officers ,who also say they hate it, the police cheifs asc, is a political tool that does what it's masters say. And when you have to lie to, sell it, then don't sell it.