M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 So far I haven't seen the Star opining that it is a conflict of interest, so it must not be. - Valid point Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Of course the toughest job will be convincing the CRTC that another all news channel (Currently in Canada.. RDC, CBC Newsworld, CTV Newsnet, BBC, Al Jazz, CNN, Fox news..and CTV I believe has been granted a licence to turn the CP24 into all news local market...) will have a snowballs chance of gaining audience and ad dollars as well as allowing it to be on basic cable. That part won't be so hard as the channel aready exists (SUN TV).. There are certainly arguments for and against...but showing that they have the resources to carry the station during its infancy (3 years?) will be the clincher. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
msdogfood Posted June 18, 2010 Author Report Posted June 18, 2010 All your definitions specify "legislators". This decision is made by the CRTC, not by legislators. This high-profile guy is engaged in this high-profile venture that the Liberals and NDP and rival media outlets are all aware of, and somehow the only two people in the country who recognize this startling breach of the rules are "Topaz" and "Ms. Dogfood"? Come on. If there was anything to this, people way more informed than yourselves (no offense) would be all over it. -k all desinen made by The CRTC can be overridden by legislators! to like they just did for all of the new cell providers. So the CRTC is not that independent! Quote
msdogfood Posted June 18, 2010 Author Report Posted June 18, 2010 Of course the toughest job will be convincing the CRTC that another all news channel (Currently in Canada.. RDC, CBC Newsworld, CTV Newsnet, BBC, Al Jazz, CNN, Fox news..and CTV I believe has been granted a licence to turn the CP24 into all news local market...) will have a snowballs chance of gaining audience and ad dollars as well as allowing it to be on basic cable. That part won't be so hard as the channel aready exists (SUN TV)..MSNBC. There are certainly arguments for and against...but showing that they have the resources to carry the station during its infancy (3 years?) will be the clincher. Quote
Topaz Posted June 19, 2010 Report Posted June 19, 2010 All your definitions specify "legislators". This decision is made by the CRTC, not by legislators. This high-profile guy is engaged in this high-profile venture that the Liberals and NDP and rival media outlets are all aware of, and somehow the only two people in the country who recognize this startling breach of the rules are "Topaz" and "Ms. Dogfood"? Come on. If there was anything to this, people way more informed than yourselves (no offense) would be all over it. -k As it was pointed out on the news, there are other parties applying for a license BEFORE Fox North, so lets see who gets their license first. It may be a while before they do get a license because of the cozyness of Jaffer and the Tories. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 It may be a while before they do get a license because of the cozyness of Jaffer and the Tories. They have one thing which sets their application ahead of most...they actually already have a station (SunTV)...the application is more about changing the format than anything about a new station. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 Legislating the airwaves is a good thing? Our southern brothers have this neat concept called freedom of speech. Of all the things for the government to have to pay attention to, is this one rated that high? Let the markets decide who or what is successful where and when, thank-you. Has capitalism turned a corner here? What is with this state intervention style of governance anyway? Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 Legislating the airwaves is a good thing? Our southern brothers have this neat concept called freedom of speech. They also have the FCC..which pretty much does the same thing as the CRTC... The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 as the successor to the Federal Radio Commission and is charged with regulating all non-federal government use of the radio spectrum (including radio and television broadcasting), and all interstate telecommunications (wire, satellite and cable) as well as all international communications that originate or terminate in the United States. It is an important factor in U.S. telecommunication policy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 So you suggest that this is the simple evolution of processes already in place within our political systems? Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 So you suggest that this is the simple evolution of processes already in place within our political systems? I was suggesting your model pointing to the US as somehow different to what is here is incorrect. Whether you are in the US or Canada, a license is issued by a regulating body, once that license is issued then whether there or here, the markets gets to deicde if it lasts or not. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Topaz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Posted June 21, 2010 What I heard Kory says was that they were going to be a regular news show during the day but the night time is when things will get more exciting. Quote
msdogfood Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Posted June 24, 2010 What I heard Kory says was that they were going to be a regular news show during the day but the night time is when things will get more exciting. Yes like fox news!!!... which is not good at all!! Quote
kimmy Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Oh noes!!! -k Edited June 24, 2010 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 Yes like fox news!!!... which is not good at all!! I just can't wait until the Gerry Nichols Freedom Hour hits the airwaves... How 'bout Fire Side Chats with Charles McVety? Crusty Curmudgeon Playtime with Peter Worthington? Slaphappy Snipits with Charles Adler and Roy Green? It's gonna be a riot I tell ya'... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
msdogfood Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Posted July 16, 2010 I am Very Happy!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at this!! I love it!!!! Quote
msdogfood Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Posted September 16, 2010 Former Tory spokesman exits Sun TV Steven Chase and Jane Taber Kory Teneycke, a former top spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has resigned from the effort he started to bring a right-leaning TV network to Canada. Quote
scribblet Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 He seemed to be a lightning rod for those who oppose freedom of choice, without him and hints of 'ties to the gov't' I don't think that U.S. petition outfit can still claim gov't ties and all that. They have certainly given SunTV more free publicity than they would have received. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
waldo Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 He seemed to be a lightning rod for those who oppose freedom of choice, without him and hints of 'ties to the gov't' I don't think that U.S. petition outfit can still claim gov't ties and all that. They have certainly given SunTV more free publicity than they would have received. then why did Teneycke kill the free publicity gravy-train... why did he resign? Certainly all that speculation about his 'petition fraudster' source residing within the PMO... the sought after criminal investigation... that has nothing to do with it - sure! Quote
scribblet Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 then why did Teneycke kill the free publicity gravy-train... why did he resign? Certainly all that speculation about his 'petition fraudster' source residing within the PMO... the sought after criminal investigation... that has nothing to do with it - sure! He obviously resigned because it was in the best interests (for now) of Quebecor. Where is your proof that the 'petition fraud' came from 'within the PMO', all I've seen is that it came from Ottawa, or maybe the Parliament buildings. Kory T. was not and is not working there any longer, so no access to a Parliament IP. Besides, I cannot believe Kory would be stupid enough to try it without using a proxy. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Topaz Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 He obviously resigned because it was in the best interests (for now) of Quebecor. Where is your proof that the 'petition fraud' came from 'within the PMO', all I've seen is that it came from Ottawa, or maybe the Parliament buildings. Kory T. was not and is not working there any longer, so no access to a Parliament IP. Besides, I cannot believe Kory would be stupid enough to try it without using a proxy. BUT his wife works for the PMO. Not saying she definitely could of done it, but the opportunity there. Just another Tory couple within PMO. Quote
eyeball Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) Applying for a CRTC broadcasting license probably does not qualify as lobbying. -k It's the nature of the specific licence applied for that's raised concerns. Sun TV wants a special Category 1 'must carry licence' that compels all cable and satellite companies to broadcast their content. Sun TV could have an ordinary Category 2 licence tomorrow and be in business the day after that if they wanted without any need for a special lobbyist. No doubt the CBC has a must carry license too but that has to do with meeting Canadian content requirements as opposed to meeting left-wing content requirements. Any suggestion that the CBC's licence was granted so the media could be dominated with a left-wing bias is paranoid not to mentioned biased. Edited September 16, 2010 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
M.Dancer Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 It's the nature of the specific licence applied for that's raised concerns. Sun TV wants a special Category 1 'must carry licence' that compels all cable and satellite companies to broadcast their content. No doubt the CBC has a must carry license too but that has to do with meeting Canadian content requirements as opposed to meeting left-wing content requirements. Any suggestion that the CBC's licence was granted so the media could be dominated with a left-wing bias is paranoid not to mentioned biased. Those aren't the issues regarding the license application. First off, Sun TV as it is now already has a "must carry" license. The issue is not even a question of Canadian content (both CBC Newsworld and CTV Newsnet comply, very easy to do if you have a canadian newsreader reading the news...) The issue (two issues really) is, and why it is contentious, the CRTC decides if the licensee will adversely affect the marketplace, ie, generate so much ad revenue that the competition will struggle to generate revenue of their own or the new licensee will generate barely enough or not enough and adversely affect all the other competitors and all will struggle. No other non broadcast business suffers this kind of regulatory infringment. In every other case the market will decide whether there is a need or desire for the service. The second hurdle they must vault is whether there product is unique enough according to the CRTC, to demand a license. This is why CTV newsnet is so different from Newsworld. An example would be how Rogers and Bell Globe handled the sale of some of their stations. CTV now owns Cable Pulse 24 (A southern Ontario news channel. Rogers want to launch a 24 news format as well. Bell Globe argued that the niche for that was already being filled by CP24, Rogers countered by saying CP24 serves and covers southern ontario, but their own proposal is for a Metro Toronto News show. Again, even though SunTV would have no problem differentiating itslef from CTV Newsnet or Newsworld in format, where else would an industry be told what format you could emulate? Sorry Ford, Toyota is already selling fuel efficiant sedans or Loblaws being told it could not sell meat because Sobeys has that market covered... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) Those aren't the issues regarding the license application. First off, Sun TV as it is now already has a "must carry" license. Not according to the link msdogfood provided. The license Quebecor requested – known as a Category 1, soon to be Category A – is rarely granted, and in March of this year, the CRTC announced that it would not consider any new applications for those licenses before October, 2011. It seems pretty obvious Sun TV wants special consideration and it's also fairly clear that Conservatives and conservatives alike do too. Edited September 16, 2010 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
M.Dancer Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 Not according to the link msdogfood provided. Ho hum....SunTV http://suntv.canoe.ca/ This is the current channel, they are on a tier one basis. They want to change their format to all news which requires a new license. It seems pretty obvious Sun TV wants special consideration and it's also fairly clear that Conservatives and conservatives alike do too. What they want is the same consideration that CBC Newsworld already has. https://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=PTV_PROG_PACKAGE_PTV_pkgs&PTV_PROG_PACKAGE_PTV_pkgs_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2Fconsumer%2Fptv%2FbrowseFlow%2FgetPackages&PTV_PROG_PACKAGE_PTV_pkgspackageProductId=BCAB&_pageLabel=PTV_PROG_PACKAGE You will notice that Sun Tv is on the basic. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 You will notice that Sun Tv is on the basic. You're saying Rogers is compelled by law to carry Sun TV News? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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