Hamas "We Con The World" Video

[naomiglover]

The type of people who find this funny are the type of people who found the foxnews

that attempted at having a Daily Show like political satire, funny.

There is no surprise that the show failed. Even foxnews viewers have a limit when it comes to being unfunny.

This type of political satire usually tries to point to the truth and the hypocrisy of the people involved. Much like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart does. Unfortunately, pointing out to the truth and the hypocrisy would clash with the agenda and propaganda that these types of people are trying to spread.

I mean, just look at how this desperate and unfunny propaganda starts:

There is no people dying

So the best we can do

Is create

The greatest bluff of all

There is no people dying? Really? Haha? Way to start the song with a bang.

Edited June 14, 2010 by naomiglover

[Bob]

truth?... is this the truth you favour?

Seriously, where do you find this trash? I can only imagine the corners of the internet that people like you scour to find this "dirt" on people you want to discredit, as they propose opinions that run contrary to your prejudices.

Caroline Glick is a renowned journalist, and I've been reading her articles and watching her in news interviews for years. She is hardly a "far-right neo-con", as much as you intend to use those terms pejoratively. Perhaps you use the term "fascist" when describing Stephen Harper, as well? She is a journalist and academic whose area of expertise is Israel and Israeli issues, and she's got more credibility in her baby toe on these issues than you and everyone at this unknown salon.com website, combined.

Where in the world does this salon.com website (I've never heard of it until now) discover who funds the CSP? It's a private organization and doesn't divulge its financiers. Just another case of fake news, "it must be true if it's on the internet".

This pathetic leftist use of the terms "neo-con", "Zionist", "conservative", and "ultra-conservative" in a not-so-subtle disparaging tone is so transparent and pathetic. I proudly label myself as a Zionist and it's not a term that you can use disparagingly, unless you're pandering to anti-semites and other morons. I mean seriously, you and the folks over at salon.com probably don't even know what Zionism is!

[Bob]

The type of people who find this funny are the type of people who found the foxnews

that attempted at having a Daily Show like political satire, funny.

There is no surprise that the show failed. Even foxnews viewers have a limit when it comes to being unfunny.

This type of political satire usually tries to point to the truth and the hypocrisy of the people involved. Much like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart does. Unfortunately, pointing out to the truth and the hypocrisy would clash with the agenda and propaganda that these types of people are trying to spread.

I mean, just look at how this desperate and unfunny propaganda starts:

There is no people dying

So the best we can do

Is create

The greatest bluff of all

There is no people dying? Really? Haha? Way to start the song with a bang.

People are starving and dying in Gaza? Since when?

I also don't find Jon Stewart particularly funny. Actually I don't find him funny, at all. I like some of his correspondents. Stewart is preachy and ignorant. I saw a portion of an episode of his show where he tried to disparage a Charles Krauthammer recent opinion piece stating that there's no humanitarian crisis in Gaza (there isn't), and then Jon Stewart went into his soapbox mode, showed an image of a poorly maintained building that was apparently in Gaza, and suggested that Krauthammer is an evil and insensitive man to deny the "obvious" suffering of Gazans. There's a difference between not living well and a humanitarian crisis, especially when the problems of Gaza are largely brought on by their own hostile actions and "government".

Edited June 14, 2010 by Bob

[August1991]

Using a born and raised westerner who understands satire and irony to prove that non-westerners don't understand satire and irony. If this is a joke it's not a very good one.

Well, I guess the joke's on you.

There are examples of satire and irony in almost all civilizations, and the Muslims have plenty themselves. Why they would be able to do it hundreds of years ago but not now is beyond me, perhaps you would care to explain it.

No, satire is hard to fathom. Go to any day care centre and try to be sarcastic and watch the reaction of the six year olds.

Now then, go abroad and try sarcasm. It will likely get you in jail, unless you are fortunate to meet someone intelligent, westernized who will "get your point".

Irony? Irony raises sarcasm to another level.

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Remember the Danish cartoons? I understand well the Islamic interdiction of human images, particularly images of the Prophet or God. But I think the basic problem (and this interdiction) stems from satire.

We Westerners understand satire (although I'm told that the Internet conveys satire and irony badly - hence the use of smilies). We Westerners understand that when we say that the Catholic Church is enlightened and scientific (as I did above), we mean the opposite. IOW, we understand the sophistication of symbol.

Western Civilization has its faults but it is something to be defended with heart, soul and reason. If Islamists can claim that they have the truth, then I think that we Westerners have the right to respond. We in the West should not be ashamed to defend our viewpoint.

I happen to think that we are right and the Islamists are wrong. IMV, Islam is just another false cult that doesn't even offer the benefit of making the lives of ordinary people easier.

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What does my rant have to do with Gaza? It is impossible to divorce Israel and 9/11 from a broader struggle that has existed for centuries. I think western values are worth defending. I hope my children and grandchildren grow up in an American world, and not a Soviet, Saudi, Iranian, communist, Islamic world. I want my children and grandchildren to be free to choose.

I want them to laugh when they see good sarcasm. I hope that they appreciate irony - a delicious invention of the West.

Edited June 14, 2010 by August1991

[Bob]

Well said August1991. I am never going to apologize for being pro-freedom and pro-democracy. These values are universal, not relative and not Western.

[Guest TrueMetis]

No, satire is hard to fathom. Go to any day care centre and try to be sarcastic and watch the reaction of the six year olds.

Again you compare children who's minds haven't fully developed to foriegners. If you can't see what's wrong with this there is no point argueing with you.

You need to realize history shows you points are wrong, as does the present. Irony and Satire are not and never have been western concepts only.

[naomiglover]

People are starving and dying in Gaza? Since when?

They're not starving? You're basically saying that the World Health Organization, UNHCR, Amnesty International, HRW and numerous other professional organizations are all lying.

Bob, you are trying to spread lies.

Edited June 14, 2010 by naomiglover

[Bob]

They're not starving? You're basically saying that the World Health Organization, UNHCR, Amnesty International, HRW and numerous other professional organizations are all lying.

Bob, you are trying to spread lies.

WHO hasn't said anything about starvation in Gaza since the blockade. All I've seen is that they're claiming that there are shortages of specific medical supplies and slow transfers out of the strip for particular medical services (invariably done in Israeli hospitals).

People in Gaza aren't starving. Do you want to know what starvation is? Want to see pictures of concentration camp survivors, or those who lived through the Leningrad siege? How about more contemporarily, and examining starvation in Africa? Suggesting that people in Gaza are even close to starvation is an insult to people of yesterday and today that actually do suffer from hunger. Spare us your bullshit. The Gaza situation may be precarious in some ways, but exaggerating its problems by making false claims of starvations doesn't help the dialogue. Good luck providing solid proof of your starvation claims.

The real discussion about Gazan suffering lies in shortages of mostly non-essential things (which many of us, however, consider indispensable in our lives). Things like electronics, electricity, a wide variety of foods, and most importantly meaningful development through employment and economic progress. After Gaza was shut off, a huge chunk of its economy was severed (as it was very connected to Israel's economy), leaving that many more people on the dole of economic relief from the UN (primarily the USA and EU). Life in Gaza definitely sucks, but then again you can't expect to be treated well by your neighbours when you're openly hostile to them through words and through actions. Find me a comparable situation in history where a country or territory that was in a belligerent state with another country or territory and the normal flow of commerce was permitted. Allowing chocolate and jam into Gaza certainly isn't on Israel's list of priorities, and understandably so. Hypothetically consider that Quebec becomes openly hostile to Canada at a fraction of the level of Gaza's hostility to Israel. Would shipping jam and chocolate to Quebec be on Canada's top list of priorities? I doubt it.

Edited June 14, 2010 by Bob

[August1991]

They're not starving? You're basically saying that the World Health Organization, UNHCR, Amnesty International, HRW and numerous other professional organizations are all lying.

Naomi, people sleep in the street in Monteal.

I think that poor people eat better in Gaza than in Cairo, Egypt.

Edited June 14, 2010 by August1991

[eyeball]

This pathetic leftist use of the terms "neo-con", "Zionist", "conservative", and "ultra-conservative" in a not-so-subtle disparaging tone is so transparent and pathetic. I proudly label myself as a Zionist and it's not a term that you can use disparagingly, unless you're pandering to anti-semites and other morons. I mean seriously, you and the folks over at salon.com probably don't even know what Zionism is!

I'm just a humble unaffiliated Earthling myself.

[naomiglover]

WHO hasn't said anything about starvation in Gaza since the blockade. All I've seen is that they're claiming that there are shortages of specific medical supplies and slow transfers out of the strip for particular medical services (invariably done in Israeli hospitals).

People in Gaza aren't starving. Do you want to know what starvation is? Want to see pictures of concentration camp survivors, or those who lived through the Leningrad siege? How about more contemporarily, and examining starvation in Africa? Suggesting that people in Gaza are even close to starvation is an insult to people of yesterday and today that actually do suffer from hunger. Spare us your bullshit. The Gaza situation may be precarious in some ways, but exaggerating its problems by making false claims of starvations doesn't help the dialogue. Good luck providing solid proof of your starvation claims.

The real discussion about Gazan suffering lies in shortages of mostly non-essential things (which many of us, however, consider indispensable in our lives). Things like electronics, electricity, a wide variety of foods, and most importantly meaningful development through employment and economic progress. After Gaza was shut off, a huge chunk of its economy was severed (as it was very connected to Israel's economy), leaving that many more people on the dole of economic relief from the UN (primarily the USA and EU). Life in Gaza definitely sucks, but then again you can't expect to be treated well by your neighbours when you're openly hostile to them through words and through actions. Find me a comparable situation in history where a country or territory that was in a belligerent state with another country or territory and the normal flow of commerce was permitted. Allowing chocolate and jam into Gaza certainly isn't on Israel's list of priorities, and understandably so. Hypothetically consider that Quebec becomes openly hostile to Canada at a fraction of the level of Gaza's hostility to Israel. Would shipping jam and chocolate to Quebec be on Canada's top list of priorities? I doubt it.

You are babbling Bob.

You want everyone to believe that Amnesty International, Red Cross, HRW, UNHCR are all lying and there is no problem in Gaza.

No one believes you Bob. Not even yourself.

[naomiglover]

Naomi, people sleep in the street in Monteal.

I think that poor people eat better in Gaza than in Cairo, Egypt.

Instead of 'thinking' these things, why don't you go look at the reports and then come to an educated conclusion.

[Bob]

You are babbling Bob.

You want everyone to believe that Amnesty International, Red Cross, HRW, UNHCR are all lying and there is no problem in Gaza.

No one believes you Bob. Not even yourself.

Gazans aren't starving, which is the lie you and many other anti-Israeli extremists are trying to perpetuate to the ignorant to garner support from morons.

[Argus]

I thought it was funny and to the point. The propaganda arm of Hamas is going full throttle, Israel needs to fight back.

It was.. amusing, but I think they could have had a better lyricist.

The close up, slow mo of a "peace activist" stabbing a soldier was interesting. I hadn't previously seen that.

[naomiglover]

Gazans aren't starving, which is the lie you and many other anti-Israeli extremists are trying to perpetuate to the ignorant to garner support from morons.

Amnesty International, UNCHR, HRW and the Red Cross are all anti-Israeli extremists? Because that is who I am repeating.

You're shooting blanks, Bob.

[Bob]

Amnesty International, UNCHR, HRW and the Red Cross are all anti-Israeli extremists? Because that is who I am repeating.

You're shooting blanks, Bob.

I thought you said the WHO said Gazans were starving. Show me proof to back up that there are shortages of essential foods in Gaza, or that Gazans aren't getting the calories they need.

[myata]

Video

This video is too close to the truth. Very good satire, precisely the kind that will enrage the people who don't understand satire - such as pro-Palestinian leftists.

We wouldn't know the truth though until there's an objective and independent inquiry of the matter. And Israel refuses exactly such an inquiry. And its staunch friend and ally understandably covers it up.

So this "truth" looks more like direct borrow from the Cheering guide, have we perused it lately?

[naomiglover]

I thought you said the WHO said Gazans were starving. Show me proof to back up that there are shortages of essential foods in Gaza, or that Gazans aren't getting the calories they need.

WHO did not report on the shortage of food, but they did on the shortage of medicine and facilities to treat the sick.

However, I did mention other organizations which you have not commented on.

Amnesty International:

"Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans, a flagrant violation of international law,"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3894847,00.html

You didn't respond:

Amnesty International, UNCHR, HRW and the Red Cross are all anti-Israeli extremists? Because that is who I am repeating.

[Army Guy]

"

Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid.

I'm curious just how much inter national aid in dollar value is being sent to the Gaza strip....and how is it being spent, and on whom....

2008 -2009 it was alot...2.1 bil...whats the population figure again...whats that per person i wonder...

My linken.wikipedia.org/wiki/

[Bob]

WHO did not report on the shortage of food, but they did on the shortage of medicine and facilities to treat the sick.

However, I did mention other organizations which you have not commented on.

Amnesty International:

"Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans, a flagrant violation of international law,"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3894847,00.html

You didn't respond:

Amnesty International, UNCHR, HRW and the Red Cross are all anti-Israeli extremists? Because that is who I am repeating.

That statement is a far cry from stating that people in Gaza are starving. You were the one who suggested that people in Gaza are dying due to the blockade. Perhaps some have died as a result of not having specific medical tools available, but that kind of thing even happens in Canada when people are put on long waiting lists. People aren't starving and aren't deprived of basic necessities in Gaza. It may not be comfortable, but it's by far the softest blockade the world has ever seen imposed on one belligerent by another.

[Bob]

WHO did not report on the shortage of food, but they did on the shortage of medicine and facilities to treat the sick.

However, I did mention other organizations which you have not commented on.

Amnesty International:

"Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans, a flagrant violation of international law,"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3894847,00.html

You didn't respond:

Amnesty International, UNCHR, HRW and the Red Cross are all anti-Israeli extremists? Because that is who I am repeating.

You don't even read the sources you claim support your bias. One of your earlier posts implied that the WHO is in agreement with your suggestion that people are starving and dying in Gaza as a result of the blockade. That's simply not true. Yes, life in Gaza is uncomfortable - widespread unemployment, a huge dependence on foreign aid, scarcity of many non-essential items and services, etc. Is it a humanitarian crisis? Hell no. Please don't suggest that people in Gaza are dealing with even a fraction of the hardship that others deal with in examples such as the Haitian earthquake, the 2004 Indonesian earthquake, the war in Darfur, etc...

This is to say nothing of the relevant context of the reasons for the blockade - Israeli security. One cannot expect Israel to prioritize the arrival of chocolate and jam into a hostile territory, let alone allocate more of it scarce human and material resources to inspection of a longer and longer list of permissible goods into Gaza.

Edited June 14, 2010 by Bob

[naomiglover]

That statement is a far cry from stating that people in Gaza are starving. You were the one who suggested that people in Gaza are dying due to the blockade. Perhaps some have died as a result of not having specific medical tools available, but that kind of thing even happens in Canada when people are put on long waiting lists. People aren't starving and aren't deprived of basic necessities in Gaza. It may not be comfortable, but it's by far the softest blockade the world has ever seen imposed on one belligerent by another.

Okay. Well, you keep posting your words against Amnesty, Red Cross and other professional organizations. I don't want to keep repeating what they are saying.

Enjoy posting your Israeli propaganda, Bob and I'll continue advocating international law and justice.

[Bob]

Okay. Well, you keep posting your words against Amnesty, Red Cross and other professional organizations. I don't want to keep repeating what they are saying.

Enjoy posting your Israeli propaganda, Bob and I'll continue advocating international law and justice.

I haven't said a thing against any of these organizations. I am rejecting your suggestion that people in Gaza are dying as a result of the blockade. You cannot back up this position, even the organizations you claim support you do not back up this assertion. Nobody is denying that life in Gaza is difficult, especially from our comfortable Canadian frame-of-reference. A humanitarian crisis, however, it most certainly is not.

You can wrap yourself up in phrases like "international law" and "justice" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are brutally one-sided and dishonest. You do not acknowledge Israeli needs and concerns. People like yourself do nothing to advance the dialogue of these issues, rather, you perpetuate the animosity. Quite simply, you're a generic agitator. Hopefully in time you'll mature and evolve.

[Bob]

If you really are concerned about the well-being of Gazans, and the broader Palestinian body of people, you'd focus on Hamas and its support among Gazans. Beyond that, you'd recognize the various terrorist factions within the Palestinian politic that need to be dealt with.

Hamas has gotten what it wanted - not to have anything to do with Israel. Do you think Hamas wants open borders with Israel? Certainly not. Hamas's policies intentionally close Gaza off from what was once approximately 30% of the Gazan economy - commerce with Israel. Do you think open sea ports would fill this 30% void? You think Gazans can take a ferry every day to go work in Greece or Turkey? Does this seem like a wise judgment from Hamas with respect to the well-being of Gazans? If Gaza is to have economic security and an improvement in its quality of life it MUST deal with Israel. How can that ever take place if its people and leadership hold such animosity towards Israel? If you really want the quality of life of Gazans to improve, you'd concern yourself with Hamas and its people's position towards Israel (and Jews).

What about the animosity between Hamas and the PA? What about Abbas' tacit support for the blockade (he supports easing the blockade, but not its entire lifting)? There is much more to say about this issue, but looking at your endless one-sidedness, there is not even one-inch of responsibility for this which you will allocate to Hamas, other terrorist organizations or even the Gazan public. To you, everything starts and ends with Israel. It's dogma at its finest.

[naomiglover]

I haven't said a thing against any of these organizations. I am rejecting your suggestion that people in Gaza are dying as a result of the blockade.

I never suggested that they are dying as a result of the blockade. I quoted the lyrics from the song saying that:

There is no people dying

So the best we can do

Is create

The greatest bluff of all

A little over a year ago, close to 1000 civilians were killed by the IDF. Over 300 of them children. Major organizations and the Goldstone report concluded that Israel violated international law when they attacked Gaza. This is what I was referring to.

You then proceeded to say that Gazans are not 'starving', which is where I pointed out that you were wrong.

A humanitarian crisis, however, it most certainly is not.

There you go again, saying that these professional organizations are wrong and your word (IDF's word) is correct.

You can wrap yourself up in phrases like "international law" and "justice" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are brutally one-sided and dishonest.

I back up my claims by using reports and research by well-respected, professional and neutral organizations such as ICRC, Amnesty and Richard Goldstone. You, on the other hand, have yet to produce any investigation or proof of your claims.

You do not acknowledge Israeli needs and concerns. People like yourself do nothing to advance the dialogue of these issues, rather, you perpetuate the animosity. Quite simply, you're a generic agitator. Hopefully in time you'll mature and evolve.

I acknowledge Israeli needs, however, unlike you, I do not believe anyone's needs trumps international law.