Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) Why are you labeling this station biased before it's even up and running? Who at the CTV has a conservative bias? Me??? Uh...You have and you seem to agree wholeheartedly with it. You've said the Canadian media is biased to the left...Some of it is,much of it is not.It just might not be far enough right for you. Your position of there not being enough conservative voices in the Canadian media is simply uninformed and untrue... Edited June 14, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) Me??? Uh...You have and you seem to agree wholeheartedly with it. You've said the Canadian media is biased to the left...Some of it is,much of it is not.It just might not be far enough right for you. Your position of there not being enough conservative voices in the Canadian media is simply uninformed and untrue... Who are the conservative voices in the television media? Thank you. There are conservative voices; however they are greatly outnumbered by the liberal voices. I never said there weren't any conservative voices. Edited June 14, 2010 by lukin Quote
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) Why should journalists show their bias? I don't understand why this is somehow desirable. I don't know why they do it. But it is happening. Example: everyone knew Don Newman was a liberal shill when he hosted his program. Read his articles at cbc.ca since he retired. Realize how many of them are anti-Conservative. Edited June 14, 2010 by lukin Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 ...Your position of there not being enough conservative voices in the Canadian media is simply uninformed and untrue... This is comical...the OP's title makes reference to an American media outlet precisely because there is no equivalent in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 If people want balance,they usually watch CTV.If people want a left wing perspective,they'll probably watch the CeeB.Obviously you don't want balance,you want a reaffirmation session that agrees with your ideological beliefs. Again, it seems to me that the bleating here comes from the left: those who believe this station should not be granted a license. It seems to me that those who are happy within the confines of their own echo chamber seek to deny others the same option. If we have a CBC Newsworld that's willing to give airtime to folks like Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein and Al Gore and Roger Moore, why shouldn't there be a station that's willing to give airtime to topics that are less pleasing to the fuzzy-wuzzy sensibilities of the CBC Newsworld target audience? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Jack Weber, you are exactly like Don Newman. you label something before it even has a chance. You have no tolerance for those who want a different style news channel. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/10/f-vp-newman.html Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Jack Weber, you are exactly like Don Newman. you label something before it even has a chance. You have no tolerance for those who want a different style news channel. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/10/f-vp-newman.html At least you admit you want the reaffirmation session...You simply cannot deal with true diversity of thought. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 "And what we all see in our e-mails, is a real polarization in this country. If you say something negative about the government's policy, you're clearly a Liberal. I mean, there's no issue that we're looking at public affairs. The real test of us all as journalists is we hold the government of the day to account without fear of favour, and if that network cannot do that, it certainly should not have that license." - Jim Travers, Toronto Star on Question Period, June 13, 2010 Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Again, it seems to me that the bleating here comes from the left: those who believe this station should not be granted a license. It seems to me that those who are happy within the confines of their own echo chamber seek to deny others the same option. If we have a CBC Newsworld that's willing to give airtime to folks like Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein and Al Gore and Roger Moore, why shouldn't there be a station that's willing to give airtime to topics that are less pleasing to the fuzzy-wuzzy sensibilities of the CBC Newsworld target audience? -k I've never said it should'nt be granted... I just don't see the need for it...There is plenty of conservative voices in the media in this country... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 I've never said it should'nt be granted... I just don't see the need for it...There is plenty of conservative voices in the media in this country... I asked you to name the conservative voices in the television media. What's taking you so long? Quote
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 At least you admit you want the reaffirmation session...You simply cannot deal with true diversity of thought. Come up with some new material already. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 I asked you to name the conservative voices in the television media. What's taking you so long? Are you saying that you only go to television for your political thought? There's more to political discourse than that which is on TV..How 'bout the media in total,seeing as you think that CTV is full of raging liberals? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Come up with some new material already. Kwitchyerbitchin' already.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Are you saying that you only go to television for your political thought? There's more to political discourse than that which is on TV..How 'bout the media in total,seeing as you think that CTV is full of raging liberals? Continue dancing around my question, Jack. This is about the television media, because that is what this "evil" Fox News North will be. Still waiting for YOU to name me some conservative voices in the television media. Please refrain from using the word reaffirmation if it's possible. Quote
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 "And what we all see in our e-mails, is a real polarization in this country. If you say something negative about the government's policy, you're clearly a Liberal. I mean, there's no issue that we're looking at public affairs. The real test of us all as journalists is we hold the government of the day to account without fear of favour, and if that network cannot do that, it certainly should not have that license." - Jim Travers, Toronto Star on Question Period, June 13, 2010 You quote Jim "red star" Travers. You've lost all credibility. Quote
kimmy Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 I've never said it should'nt be granted... I just don't see the need for it...There is plenty of conservative voices in the media in this country... Is there a news station in Canada that would show, say ... Undercover Mosque? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Continue dancing around my question, Jack. This is about the television media, because that is what this "evil" Fox News North will be. Still waiting for YOU to name me some conservative voices in the television media. Please refrain from using the word reaffirmation if it's possible. Well,I'd say Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallen but the Prime Minister took them away for more urgent,appointed matters... But I'll say Craig Oliver seems to be a fiscal conservative when I hear him talk about debt.I'd also say that Lloyd Robertson must lean to the right if he's been at the helm of the 11 0'clock news at CTV.Tom Calrk is fair,but I suspect he leans to the right... But you don't want fair and unbiased..In your infantile mind,CTV is full of raging liberals,and barely distuguishable from the CBC. You want the ideological echo chamber...Because your voice is'nt heared in the media... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Is there a news station in Canada that would show, say ... Undercover Mosque? -k W5 did an exposé on the Islamofascist group that was intending to blow up the CN Tower and behead the Prime Minister...They had one of the CSIS informants who also ran the Jihadist camp lay out exactly what they were going to do,and better yet,the viscious vitriol that gets spoken in most mosques... CTV...Very gutsy...Very informative... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lukin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Well,I'd say Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallen but the Prime Minister took them away for more urgent,appointed matters... But I'll say Craig Oliver seems to be a fiscal conservative when I hear him talk about debt.I'd also say that Lloyd Robertson must lean to the right if he's been at the helm of the 11 0'clock news at CTV.Tom Calrk is fair,but I suspect he leans to the right... But you don't want fair and unbiased..In your infantile mind,CTV is full of raging liberals,and barely distuguishable from the CBC. You want the ideological echo chamber...Because your voice is'nt heared in the media... Your posts are laughable. Is that the best you could find with your google search. Tom Clark leans right? Serious? Craig Oliver? Come now, you're being silly. Lloyd Roberston does his job. I can't tell where he is. How can you? Quote
kimmy Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 W5 did an exposé on the Islamofascist group that was intending to blow up the CN Tower and behead the Prime Minister...They had one of the CSIS informants who also ran the Jihadist camp lay out exactly what they were going to do,and better yet,the viscious vitriol that gets spoken in most mosques... CTV...Very gutsy...Very informative... Well, it's good that somebody did an investigative report on the Toronto 18 plot, since that was, kinda, like, a major news story. So, if CTV has all our needs looked after, then it sounds like we need neither Fox North nor CBC Newsnet? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Well, it's good that somebody did an investigative report on the Toronto 18 plot, since that was, kinda, like, a major news story. So, if CTV has all our needs looked after, then it sounds like we need neither Fox North nor CBC Newsnet? -k If that's what floats your information boat,so be it... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 If that's what floats your information boat,so be it... What about those whose "information boats" are not floated by either CBC or CTV? You say you don't object to it, you just don't see a need for it. How are you measuring "need"? Is there a need for a Space channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show science-fiction themed programming? Is there a need for a W channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show chick-themed programming? Is there a need for the Spike network in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show moron-themed programming? I think that the "need" for a channel could probably be measured by its viewership. If people are tuning in, then it must be filling a need, right? They must be watching for some reason, yes? If it tanks, then you can certainly come back to me and say "see, kimmy? It really wasn't needed after all." I remain puzzled by the criticism of those who'd welcome such a channel as being afraid of contrary information, when clearly it is the opponents of this proposal-- both in this thread, and the other thread, and as quoted in the article in the original post-- who are the ones afraid of contrary information. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 What about those whose "information boats" are not floated by either CBC or CTV? You say you don't object to it, you just don't see a need for it. How are you measuring "need"? Is there a need for a Space channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show science-fiction themed programming? Is there a need for a W channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show chick-themed programming? Is there a need for the Spike network in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show moron-themed programming? I think that the "need" for a channel could probably be measured by its viewership. If people are tuning in, then it must be filling a need, right? They must be watching for some reason, yes? If it tanks, then you can certainly come back to me and say "see, kimmy? It really wasn't needed after all." I remain puzzled by the criticism of those who'd welcome such a channel as being afraid of contrary information, when clearly it is the opponents of this proposal-- both in this thread, and the other thread, and as quoted in the article in the original post-- who are the ones afraid of contrary information. -k Kimmy... Do you really require the likes of Gerry Nichols,Charles Adler,Tim Powers,Ezra Levant,Mindelle Jacobs,John Iveson,and,Charles McVety to reaffirm any of your personal ideological belief system? That's an honest question,that's not meant to mock... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Kimmy... Do you really require the likes of Gerry Nichols,Charles Adler,Tim Powers,Ezra Levant,Mindelle Jacobs,John Iveson,and,Charles McVety to reaffirm any of your personal ideological belief system? That's an honest question,that's not meant to mock... I personally don't. But what's that got to do with anything? If someone wished to watch such a network, why shouldn't they be allowed to? If someone wished to watch CBC Newsworld all day, why shouldn't they be allowed to? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 I personally don't. But what's that got to do with anything? If someone wished to watch such a network, why shouldn't they be allowed to? If someone wished to watch CBC Newsworld all day, why shouldn't they be allowed to? -k I did'nt say they should'nt. I don't see the point and I don't see how it's helpful longterm. Are we now going to have to deal with ideological wackos like Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann passing themselves off as the voices of reason? How does that help anything? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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