The Big Question!

[Oleg Bach]

Just thought I would ask. Perhaps one of the learned historians out there could tell me how Israel managed to get it's first nuke. It struck me as slightly odd that as we go nuts trying to stop Iran and other mid eastern nations from having the ultimate weapon of mass destruction...how did Israel manage to get under the radar? Who granted this little fledgling nation this unimpeded right?

If no nuke had been given..and all mid eastern nations only had conventional military..would the world become upset if little Israel was found to be developing a weapon of mass destruction - the other question is - I wonder if there is a regret on the part of the benevolent person or person for giving this huge stick to such a little entity AND...at present - would anyone at present be crying out in protest at giving them a nuke NOW?

It kind of reminds me of a heavily armed guard stuck right in the center of an area that needs to be controlled - Is Israel in a state of henchmen ship for AMERICA - and is AMERICA really Israel and Israel AMERICA? SO ........

Who gave the big gun to the little kid and why?

[naomiglover]

Who gave the big gun to the little kid and why?

It all started in the mid-50's. Initially it started when France built the reactor at Dimona. Then England (through Norway) and the U.S. also provided material to advance their capabilities.

The nuclear tests, as according to the CIA, were done in the southern coast of Africa.

Edited June 8, 2010 by naomiglover

[Oleg Bach]

It all started in the mid-50's. Initially it started when France built the reactor at Dimona. Then Norway and the U.S. also provided material to advance their capabilities.

The nuclear tests, as according to the CIA, were done in the southern coast of Africa.

My question is who is the person who okayed delivery of the first nuke - who is this person and who did they represent- and why was it okayed by the international community?

[naomiglover]

My question is who is the person who okayed delivery of the first nuke - who is this person and who did they represent- and why was it okayed by the international community?

Israel promised that it was for peaceful purposes. Regular inspections were promised but never happened. Through lobbying and time, everyone just pretended that Israel had no obligations to follow what they had negotiated to do. For example; England sold heavy water to Israel, through Norway. Norway received commission on this sale. Norway, as part of the deal, were to inspect the peaceful nuclear site for the following 32 years. They only ended up inspecting it once.

Basically, a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink took place. With a few people making a lot of money out of it.

[Jack Weber]

I thought the "Big Question" was....

"If you were a tree,what tree would you be?"????

[ToadBrother]

Israel promised that it was for peaceful purposes. Regular inspections were promised but never happened. Through lobbying and time, everyone just pretended that Israel had no obligations to follow what they had negotiated to do. For example; England sold heavy water to Israel, through Norway. Norway received commission on this sale. Norway, as part of the deal, were to inspect the peaceful nuclear site for the following 32 years. They only ended up inspecting it once.

Basically, a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink took place. With a few people making a lot of money out of it.

And good thing too. It means if Iran attacks Israel, Tehran and Qom will become radioactive craters, and the world will be a considerably better place for it.

[naomiglover]

And good thing too. It means if Iran attacks Israel, Tehran and Qom will become radioactive craters, and the world will be a considerably better place for it.

Somewhere in Iran, there is an extremist zealot sitting there saying:

"It's a good thing Iran is going to have nukes. Because if Israel ever decides to attack Iran, Tel Aviv will become a radioactive crater and the world will be a considerably better place for it"

[Oleg Bach]

I thought the "Big Question" was....

"If you were a tree,what tree would you be?"????

I will never be a tree and a tree is not me. Looks like we are getting some good response on this one. Norway - a Nordic nation sells supplies to the Jews to make weapons of mass destruction..seems that there was really no anti-semitism there when it comes to everyone making a buck...I am sure that Norway and others did not assist the Jews because they loved them - maybe the Nordics are Jews - maybe the Scots and the Brits are the lost tribes - and maybe Hitler was a wanna be Jew?

[Bonam]

For example; England sold heavy water to Israel, through Norway.

You talk about heavy water as if it is some super rare substance that Israel could not have otherwise obtained. Reality is heavy water is easy to extract from regular water. We have a tank of heavy water just sitting in the lab I work in, with minimal security. This is not exactly a substance worthy of proliferation concerns.

[bloodyminded]

Somewhere in Iran, there is an extremist zealot sitting there saying:

"It's a good thing Iran is going to have nukes. Because if Israel ever decides to attack Iran, Tel Aviv will become a radioactive crater and the world will be a considerably better place for it"

Yep.

[Jack Weber]

I will never be a tree and a tree is not me. Looks like we are getting some good response on this one. Norway - a Nordic nation sells supplies to the Jews to make weapons of mass destruction..seems that there was really no anti-semitism there when it comes to everyone making a buck...I am sure that Norway and others did not assist the Jews because they loved them - maybe the Nordics are Jews - maybe the Scots and the Brits are the lost tribes - and maybe Hitler was a wanna be Jew?

The Norwegian's selling the Israeli's heavy water is'nt very Quisling of them,is it?

By the way....Money talks and B.S. walks.....

[Bonam]

Somewhere in Iran, there is an extremist zealot sitting there saying:

"It's a good thing Iran is going to have nukes. Because if Israel ever decides to attack Iran, Tel Aviv will become a radioactive crater and the world will be a considerably better place for it"

And if that's all Iran was ever gonna use it's nukes for, it would indeed be good. Two sane nations each possessing nuclear weapons are very unlikely to engage in direct war with one another, as the history of the Cold War has shown.

Unfortunately, Iran, if it developed nuclear weapons, would likely consider supplying terrorists such as Hamas or Hezbollah with nuclear materials. And these organizations, not being state actors and having little regard for life, would likely not hesitate to use these materials in terrorist attacks against Israel. That is why Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

[Jack Weber]

And if that's all Iran was ever gonna use it's nukes for, it would indeed be good. Two sane nations each possessing nuclear weapons are very unlikely to engage in direct war with one another, as the history of the Cold War has shown.

Unfortunately, Iran, if it developed nuclear weapons, would likely consider supplying terrorists such as Hamas or Hezbollah with nuclear materials. And these organizations, not being state actors and having little regard for life, would likely not hesitate to use these materials in terrorist attacks against Israel. That is why Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Nevermind just the terrorist attacks,how 'bout statements like "The Holocaust did'nt happen",or,"Send the Jews to Alaska!",or,"The Zionist state has no right to exist!" ...and variations on those themes?

Terrorist attacks seem like childsplay compared to a full scale nuclear assault from Tehran!

[naomiglover]

And if that's all Iran was ever gonna use it's nukes for, it would indeed be good. Two sane nations each possessing nuclear weapons are very unlikely to engage in direct war with one another,

We know that Israel is anything but sane.

[Jack Weber]

We know that Israel is anything but sane.

Yeah,because Mr.Ahmedinejad has a toe holds grip on reality...

Because Hamas,Hezbollah,and,Islamic Jihad are such a bunch of humanitarians...

Because Bashir Al-Assad,and his Ba'Athists in Syria, are in complete control of their collective faculties....

[Army Guy]

Somewhere in Iran, there is an extremist zealot sitting there saying:

"It's a good thing Iran is going to have nukes. Because if Israel ever decides to attack Iran, Tel Aviv will become a radioactive crater and the world will be a considerably better place for it"

And in a thousand years time someone will dig up the remains of a nuk wpn and it will have printed on the inside MADE IN THE USA.....and some tour guide will cleverly piont out this chunk of glass we are standing on once was called the nation of Iran....

[ironstone]

We know that Israel is anything but sane.

As compared to Iran?How about Syria?Saudi Arabia?

[Topaz]

This is what I found on Israel and it reads as if they could be dangerous with all the weapons they have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

[naomiglover]

As compared to Iran?How about Syria?Saudi Arabia?

Out of the countries, Israel, Syria and Saudi Arabia are the ones who have a history of initiating attacks on other countries and territories, in the past century. Syria and Saudi attacked Israel a few decades ago. Israel, on the other hand, has a fresh new mission at least once a year. Many of the attacks done by Israel have violated international law. So based on facts, it's easy to say that Israel is easily the biggest war mongering country of all the four and is better qualified as an insane country.

[ToadBrother]

We know that Israel is anything but sane.

No, you claim that. Israel may not always act sensibly, but it has managed to beat back decades worth of people who would drive it into the sea.

I'm curious. Have you started demanding Poland return Danzig to Germany yet? I mean, you aren't just a shameless defender of Islamists, are you?

[ToadBrother]

Out of the countries, Israel, Syria and Saudi Arabia are the ones who have a history of initiating attacks on other countries and territories, in the past century. Syria and Saudi attacked Israel a few decades ago. Israel, on the other hand, has a fresh new mission at least once a year. Many of the attacks done by Israel have violated international law. So based on facts, it's easy to say that Israel is easily the biggest war mongering country of all the four and is better qualified as an insane country.

International Law didn't drive back the Arabs when they tried to snuff out Israel. International Law didn't severely punish Egypt when it tried to attack Israel.

You seem to have all this contempt for Israel, and literally none for the warmongering inept dictatorships that surround it.

[bush_cheney2004]

This is what I found on Israel and it reads as if they could be dangerous with all the weapons they have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

That's the idea....to be as "dangerous" as possible in a rough neighborhood. If Israel "got nukes" from the USA, it's no different than how Canada got them.

[dre]

Yeah,because Mr.Ahmedinejad has a toe holds grip on reality...

Because Hamas,Hezbollah,and,Islamic Jihad are such a bunch of humanitarians...

Because Bashir Al-Assad,and his Ba'Athists in Syria, are in complete control of their collective faculties....

Yeah,because Mr.Ahmedinejad has a toe holds grip on reality

How is that even relevant? Do you know anything about the political system in Iran?

Amadinijad has about as much power to launch potential Iranian nukes as Charlie Sheen has to to launch American nukes. Its the Ayatolla that would be making that call and hes not "crazy" at all. Hes a pretty carefull deliberate guy whos focus is on holding onto power. Hes not really known for doing crazy risky shit.

Does Iran fight by proxy through groups like Hezzbolah? Sure... almost every country does that kind of shit. But thats an all together different thing than commiting suicide on behalf of the entire persian race by launching a nuclear weapon at a western ally.

This is all just silliness.

[dre]

International Law didn't drive back the Arabs when they tried to snuff out Israel. International Law didn't severely punish Egypt when it tried to attack Israel.

You seem to have all this contempt for Israel, and literally none for the warmongering inept dictatorships that surround it.

Egypt only attacked Israel after Israel destroyed its airforce. And the 1967 war didnt start in 1967... it started years before that with a series of skirmishes over control the river Jordans water. The claim that the 1967 war was a "six day war" or that it was a "defensive war" is ignorant of history.

[Jack Weber]

How is that even relevant? Do you know anything about the political system in Iran?

Amadinijad has about as much power to launch potential Iranian nukes as Charlie Sheen has to to launch American nukes. Its the Ayatolla that would be making that call and hes not "crazy" at all. Hes a pretty carefull deliberate guy whos focus is on holding onto power. Hes not really known for doing crazy risky shit.

Does Iran fight by proxy through groups like Hezzbolah? Sure... almost every country does that kind of shit. But thats an all together different thing than commiting suicide on behalf of the entire persian race by launching a nuclear weapon at a western ally.

This is all just silliness.

Really?

Let's see...Ahmedinejad is the same guy who says that Iran has no problem with homosexuals because there are no homosexuals in Iran.The same guy who has openly said the Holocaust either did'nt happen,or was greatly exagerated(sp).The same guy who has said he intends to wipe out Israel.

I agree he's a mouthpiece for the clerics in Iran,but if he is that mouthpiece,I'm thinkin' they believe most(if not all) of the above?

Israel is a western ally of Iran?

News to me...

By the way,other than the Persian/Arab(and the fact that one is Shi'Ite one is Sunni) dislike and distrust of one another,why do you think the Saudi's(the holiest country in Islam) would give permission for Israeli jets to refuel in the Kingdom if they went on a bombing run to Iran?

Do you think it's because even the Saudi's know that the Iranians are off the deep end?