Jack Weber Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 At least you admit that it's only uninformed voters that don't support the Conservative government. Anyways, let's try and keep things in perspective. Mulroney, 1980's, a couple hundred thousand dollars. Liberals, 1995 - 2004, tens of millions of dollars. You do the math. Shady... How much money do you suppose Mulrony's constant constitutional wranglings,and the aftermath of them, cost us? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Sir Bandelot Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 Nobody cares about Karl-Heinz Schreiber. I think Mulroney does... and Peter mackay Quote
Shady Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 Shady... How much money do you suppose Mulrony's constant constitutional wranglings,and the aftermath of them, cost us? What exactly is a constitutional wrangling? Can you be more specific? Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) What exactly is a constitutional wrangling? Can you be more specific? The constant efforts by Mr.Mulroney,to get Quebec to sign the Costitution by kowtowing to conservative seperatists.Not one,but two,accords that were to give Quebec constitutional veto power based solely on its "distinctive culture". Let's not forget the BQ are a direct result of a referendum on the subject that was completely rejected by most of the country.And a resulting referendum on seperation that can be directly related to said wranglings... Any idea on how much that cost us? Edited May 31, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 I am tired of people getting in positions of power just to get rich. I have always been taught you don't get rich by working on the public dime. We need more leaders like Truman, Broke when they get into office, and broke when they come out years and years later. Not because they are bad money managers but because they see the public service as a service not a way to jump on the gravy train. Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) del Edited May 31, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 We can get our money back from Mulroney if it can be proven he committed perjury under oath, as to what the money was really for and that he lobbied for Schreiber while still a minister of the government. BTW, I hear that after Schreiber does his time in Germany, he's coming back and taking Mulroney to a civil court so this is really over. I think the first term Mulroney had a PM, he found out that his ministers were charging lobbyists before they would make any deal with them. Of course, this isn't legal and Mulroney had to promise changes when he went into the next election. So it looks like Mulroney was charging Schreiber, but wasn't really doing anything for him. Quote
capricorn Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 BTW, I hear that after Schreiber does his time in Germany, he's coming back and taking Mulroney to a civil court so this is really over. Interesting. I haven't seen or heard anything about this. I'm surprised Schreiber didn't request to serve his sentence in Canada. It would have been cool to have opposition MPs visit him in prison and report on their exchanges in the media. Anyway, Schreiber was 79 when he was given an 8 year sentence in Germany. If he serves his full sentence he will be in his 80s by the time he is released and Mulroney will be 80. It's kind of like these two are joined at the hip and you can almost foretell a reunion. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
wyly Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Shady... How much money do you suppose Mulrony's constant constitutional wranglings,and the aftermath of them, cost us? from what I recall it was about 18(or 13) million for the cost of the investigation not including the cost of the RCMP investigation...and 3.9 million for Mulroney's legal expenses and damages awarded...damages awarded for dealings with Schrieber which he claimed he never had...this arse needs to go to jail, and the government should go get our money back... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 It probably cost us billions if not tens of billions. Quote
wyly Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I think Mulroney does... and Peter mackay Peter Mackay and how many other former and current conservatives ...are there any in the senate who were involved? any in the CPC?...there were million$ of bribes/kickbacks given out by Schriber for the Airbus deal, we know Mulroney got at least 200,000 and likely 300,000 where did the rest go?..does the CPC, Harper and Mckay really want to start looking? or are they afraid of where it may lead... Edited June 1, 2010 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 It probably cost us billions if not tens of billions. are you talking about the contracts? Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) are you talking about the contracts? No, I think Jack was referring to the cost of Meech Lake and Charlottetown. That's what I was responding to. It probably cost Canada tens of billions of dollars. Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 No, I think Jack was referring to the cost of Meech Lake and Charlottetown. That's what I was responding to. It probably cost Canada tens of billions of dollars. Yes... And the resulting national referendum. And the rise of the BQ as a political force in parliament. And the referendum on seperation in '95. I wonder what the cost of this is,and does that legacy of throwing seperatists the Levesque "Distinct Society" constitutional veto bone? I wonder what the total cost of that is,and I wonder if one looks at it that way,does the sleazy sponsorship scandal even come close? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Like I said, tens of billions of dollars would be my estimate. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Thankfully, it seems that we turned around before we got there. Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Like I said, tens of billions of dollars would be my estimate. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Thankfully, it seems that we turned around before we got there. Just barely... And the BQ is the ongoing legacy of Mr.Mulroney's follies when dealing with seperatist element in Quebec. Edited June 1, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 And the BQ is the ongoing legacy of Mr.Mulroney's follies when dealing with seperatist element in Quebec. Yes....thankfully, the overall trend for them is down. Let's hope it continues. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Yes....thankfully, the overall trend for them is down. Let's hope it continues. I agree... And I should clarify,most people in Quebec do not want to seperate from this country.I think most people who vote BQ are'nt died in the wool seperatists.I would estimate the pure seperatist numbers at no more than20 to 25% pf the populous of the province.And that will dwindle as immigration increases. Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
msdogfood Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Can you bring an action agents Mulroney for perjury now!??. Quote
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I would estimate the pure seperatist numbers at no more than20 to 25% pf the populous of the province. So would I. A NY Times article I once read from the year 2000 put separatism at 25% in the polls. Though it now stands 14% higher, very little of that is real. It only rose in reaction to the sponsorship scandal and the events around it. It will again decline in the future. A recent poll showed that about a quarter of Quebecers consider themselves sovereigntists, and about a quarter federalist. The rest of the province are nationalists of one type or another, or simply could care less. The poll also showed that most Quebecers consider the question of sovereignty to be closed. Edited June 1, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 So would I. A NY Times article I once read from the year 2000 put separatism at 25% in the polls. Though it now stands 14% higher, very little of that is real. It only rose in reaction to the sponsorship scandal and the events around it. It will again decline in the future. A recent poll showed that about a quarter of Quebecers consider themselves sovereigntists, and about a quarter federalist. The rest of the province are nationalists of one type or another, or simply could care less. The poll also showed that most Quebecers consider the question of sovereignty to be closed. Precisely,there's a reason the BQ no longer brings it up.Mainly because it's a non-starter.I suspect the PQ would have a hard time formulating a secession referendum right now if they formed a government(which they might very well do in a few years).I'm sure it would'nt be the prime ballot question..Probably not even a secondary issue... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Dave_ON Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Does that mean that the Conservatives can tag the Liberals with sponsorship for another 20 years!? Umm they already are and with no sign of letting up, considering it happened close to 20 years ago. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
Smallc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Umm they already are and with no sign of letting up, considering it happened close to 20 years ago. Hell, we still get blamed for the NEP. Quote
Born Free Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Hell, we still get blamed for the NEP. Dont forget Trudeau's "fuddle duddle"... Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Mulroney should be in jail and denied his old age pension....his assets siezed to pay what he stole. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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