Petitioning the Prime Minister

[sleepyguy1]

Hey all. I am part of an activist group called Global Zero. For those of you who haven't heard of us, we advocate the phased eradication of nuclear weapons around the world. My chapter is based out of York University in Toronto and we are looking to spread the movement across Canada. The international group is based in many countries around the world. Signatories to our global movement include such names as Queen Noor of Jordan, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Hans Blix. These are just some of the facts readily available at our websites:

http://www.globalzero.org/

http://www.globalzerocanada.org/

Now the reason I have come to you today is to make a simple presentation. On our website, we have this little thing called a petition. The document is there to show our Prime Minister that there is a growing movement within Canada to take a leading role in the disarmament of such arsenals. This comes at a crucial time with the new START treaty being signed and deliberated over by Russia and the US. Your signature on our petition ensures that Canadian voices will be heard when this whole drama plays out on the international stage. Please read our statement to the PM and if you agree this reflects your point of view on the subject, then please by all means sign it. The document can be found here:

http://www.globalzerocanada.org/get-involved/sign-the-petition

Feel free to take a look at the rest of the website as well. I think you find some things to your interest there.

Spread the word, and lets save the world together.

[Sir Bandelot]

Well Obama is the one who negotiated the reduction with Russia, so I don't know how important it is for our PM to communicate Canada's unequivocal support to the president.

Sorry if I sound like a downer, but this 30% is probably just taking out the oldest, most obolete weapons anyway. Not much to cheer for.

[margrace]

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I signed this and am sending it to all my friends and family because they all believe we need to get rid of this dangerous blight.

[Alta4ever]

Hey all. I am part of an activist group called Global Zero. For those of you who haven't heard of us, we advocate the phased eradication of nuclear weapons around the world. My chapter is based out of York University in Toronto and we are looking to spread the movement across Canada. The international group is based in many countries around the world. Signatories to our global movement include such names as Queen Noor of Jordan, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Hans Blix. These are just some of the facts readily available at our websites:

http://www.globalzero.org/

http://www.globalzerocanada.org/

Now the reason I have come to you today is to make a simple presentation. On our website, we have this little thing called a petition. The document is there to show our Prime Minister that there is a growing movement within Canada to take a leading role in the disarmament of such arsenals. This comes at a crucial time with the new START treaty being signed and deliberated over by Russia and the US. Your signature on our petition ensures that Canadian voices will be heard when this whole drama plays out on the international stage. Please read our statement to the PM and if you agree this reflects your point of view on the subject, then please by all means sign it. The document can be found here:

http://www.globalzerocanada.org/get-involved/sign-the-petition

Feel free to take a look at the rest of the website as well. I think you find some things to your interest there.

Spread the word, and lets save the world together.

You do realize that Canada has no nuclear weapons right?

[margrace]

You do realize that Canada has no nuclear weapons right?

But we do have very dangerous nuclear hydro reactors, we need to get rid of them all.

[eyeball]

But we do have very dangerous nuclear hydro reactors, we need to get rid of them all.

A nuclear hydro reactor?

[sleepyguy1]

You do realize that Canada has no nuclear weapons right?

Well aware. The petition isnt for getting rid of some non-existent weapons, but to get the PM to see the growing movement towards disarmament within Canada.

[Smallc]

But we do have very dangerous nuclear hydro reactors, we need to get rid of them all.

Really? Really? I won't be signing that petition, that's for sure.

[Alta4ever]

Well aware. The petition isnt for getting rid of some non-existent weapons, but to get the PM to see the growing movement towards disarmament within Canada.

Disarmament of what? We aren't well armed as it stands now.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Shady]

Now that it has been submitted to the US Senate for consideration, we urge you to communicate to President Barack Obama, in a form you might find appropriate, Canada’s unequivocal support for the Treaty’s ratification.

How do we know this hasn't already taken place?

[Shady]

OTTAWA — A historic nuclear disarmament treaty between the United States and Russia is being praised by the Prime Minister's office as a "positive development" for peace.

Link

Actually. Hasn't it already been done?

[ZenOps]

Whut nuke-ular weapons?

Northern Saskatchewan produces a good third of the worlds supply of Uranium - But we don't actually have any nuclear weapons, or ICBMs. We supposedly do have one working submarine now (although I have my doubts).

[Topaz]

Sorry to say this but, the nukes we never be gone because countries do not trust each other word. We also won't get rid of military weapons either, that is BIG business and too many countries want to control the world. I'm not sure any country would use the nukes again but you never know what the future holds and who the leaders are going to be. Get a country with another GW Bush attitude and yeah, I could see it. So sad.

[Shady]

Get a country with another GW Bush attitude and yeah, I could see it.

Really? How many times did Bush use nuclear weapons? Oh that's right. Zero times.

What's sad is that you're worried more about what a democratically elected leader of a free country might do, opposed to say leaders in Iran, or Pakistan, or China, etc.

But even when he's no longer in office. It all comes back to Bush to you people. Sad.

However. There really isn't any need for this petition. Because as I've already linked to, the Prime Minster has praised the START treaty a while ago.

[Sir Bandelot]

There really isn't any need for this petition. Because as I've already linked to, the Prime Minster has praised the START treaty a while ago.

Glad to see that Herper has already done the right thing, in this case.

Not that it would make much of a difference to Obama anyway.

[Alta4ever]

Really? How many times did Bush use nuclear weapons? Oh that's right. Zero times.

What's sad is that you're worried more about what a democratically elected leader of a free country might do, opposed to say leaders in Iran, or Pakistan, or China, etc.

But even when he's no longer in office. It all comes back to Bush to you people. Sad.

However. There really isn't any need for this petition. Because as I've already linked to, the Prime Minster has praised the START treaty a while ago.

Someone should remind topaz that the only president to use a nuke was a democrat. The one that brought us closest to a nuclear war again a democrat.

[August1991]

Hey all. I am part of an activist group called Global Zero. For those of you who haven't heard of us, we advocate the phased eradication of nuclear weapons around the world.

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Spread the word, and lets save the world together.

Would it save your neighbourhood if you were to forbid all police from having guns?

IOW, would you like to live in a neighbourhood where the ppolice cannot carry guns but the Hell's Angels and other two-bit thugs are free to arm themselves? Would that be a civilized world?

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Sleepyguy1, what you advocate is the opposite of civilization. If your "Global Zero" scheme were to succeed, you would have us descend into barbary.

[sleepyguy1]

Disarmament of what? We aren't well armed as it stands now.

The arsenals of other countries. Canada should take a leading role.

[sleepyguy1]

Would it save your neighbourhood if you were to forbid all police from having guns?

IOW, would you like to live in a neighbourhood where the ppolice cannot carry guns but the Hell's Angels and other two-bit thugs are free to arm themselves? Would that be a civilized world?

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Sleepyguy1, what you advocate is the opposite of civilization. If your "Global Zero" scheme were to succeed, you would have us descend into barbary.

I dont see how potentially waging mass genocide in the blink of an eye and reducing the world to an irradiated wasteland constitutes civilization. If we disarm everyone, than we have taken a rather large step towards world peace. The police in my neighborhood can keep their guns. At least with guns I dont need to run a Geiger counter over a glass of water everytime a shots are fired.

[Alta4ever]

I dont see how potentially waging mass genocide in the blink of an eye and reducing the world to an irradiated wasteland constitutes civilization. If we disarm everyone, than we have taken a rather large step towards world peace. The police in my neighborhood can keep their guns. At least with guns I dont need to run a Geiger counter over a glass of water everytime a shots are fired.

Someone is living in denial of human nature, and human history.

[sleepyguy1]

Someone is living in denial of human nature, and human history.

So you're saying we should do nothing? Are you telling me you'd rather let world events play out regardless of what the outcome may be? A nuclear exchange is a war where nobody wins and everybody loses. Im glad you find comfort in your cynical mindset.

[Bonam]

While nuclear arsenals should be reduced, complete nuclear disarmament is a bad idea. There are valid uses for nuclear weapons:

- deterrent to real war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory

- power generation, construction, and other industrial uses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PACER_%28fusion%29

- an emergency option to deal with asteroids or comets on an Earth-collision course

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_impact_avoidance

- space propulsion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29

- terraforming of other planets

- weapons of last resort

Edited May 22, 2010 by Bonam

[Alta4ever]

So you're saying we should do nothing? Are you telling me you'd rather let world events play out regardless of what the outcome may be? A nuclear exchange is a war where nobody wins and everybody loses. Im glad you find comfort in your cynical mindset.

Do you understand the concept of MAD?

[sleepyguy1]

While nuclear arsenals should be reduced, complete nuclear disarmament is a bad idea. There are valid uses for nuclear weapons:

- deterrent to real war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory

- power generation, construction, and other industrial uses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PACER_%28fusion%29

- an emergency option to deal with asteroids or comets on an Earth-collision course

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_impact_avoidance

- weapons of last resort

We are not advocating the dismantling of nuclear apparatuses for peaceful purposes (energy, industry etc). Just weapons.

The problem with deterring war with these weapons is that if we point the cross-hairs at an uppity rogue state, their going to want to do the same thing with us. Can you honestly say you would feel safe with a system like mutually assured destruction in place?

[sleepyguy1]

Do you understand the concept of MAD?

I understand the concept well. Before we even had these weapons, there was not a need for MAD. Would you not agree that the world would be a better place if we didnt need MAD?