Why the hate for harper?

[normanchateau]

That doesn't really contradict my presumptions.

Perhaps the US data suggest that the gay community is more diverse than your initial presumptions. Unrestrained debauchery is not a feature of same-sex parents raising children. Similar data have yet to be collected in Canada where same-sex marriage is actually legal despite the failed effort of the Harper government to "revisit" the issue.

[Shady]

and Toadbrother smashed it to pieces with the clear and obvious answer: it is about Parliament

He smashed nothing. As I've already stated in this thread. It's not about Parliament. It's about politics. The Armed Forces do not serve Parliament.

it doesn't follow that sensitive information must be made public.

That's the entire reason the oppostion seeks the information. They couldn't care less about the Canadian military. After all, they've already called members of the Canadian military torturers and war-crminals. Their only purpose is to try to smear the Conservative government and Stephen Harper.

What they continue to fail to realize is that Canadian's don't care. Canadian's care about jobs, the economy, health care, etc. And they definitely don't care if some terrorist thugs may or may not have been roughed up from time to time. The Canadian public continues to behave like adults. It's too bad the opposition can't follow their lead! It's pathetic. :angry:

[Molly]

He smashed nothing.

Uh.. yes. Yes he did.

[bush_cheney2004]

Perhaps the US data suggest that the gay community is more diverse than your initial presumptions. Unrestrained debauchery is not a feature of same-sex parents raising children. Similar data have yet to be collected in Canada where same-sex marriage is actually legal despite the failed effort of the Harper government to "revisit" the issue.

Well, as we all know, that's what "US data" is for...making inferences and drawing conclusions in the absence of any Canadian data! LOL!

[bloodyminded]

He smashed nothing. As I've already stated in this thread. It's not about Parliament. It's about politics. The Armed Forces do not serve Parliament.

That's the entire reason the oppostion seeks the information. They couldn't care less about the Canadian military. After all, they've already called members of the Canadian military torturers and war-crminals. Their only purpose is to try to smear the Conservative government and Stephen Harper.

No doubt a small portion of the military are torturers and war criminals. I've yet to hear a single person with the affrontery to assert this isn't so. But while we can agree that true torturers and war criminals are a tiny minority of the forces, we seem to have a disconnect when it comes to the meaning of the charges and the criticism: it's aimed at political leadership, not the people on the ground.

This "Why don't you support the troops" politically-correct nonsense does nothing for the discussion; indeed, it's a continual attempt to derail it. Quite intentional, I should think.

And undoubtedly the Oppposition is trying to discover ways to smear the Government; that's what all Oppositions do, to every Government, without exception.

What they continue to fail to realize is that Canadian's don't care. Canadian's care about jobs, the economy, health care, etc. And they definitely don't care if some terrorist thugs may or may not have been roughed up from time to time. The Canadian public continues to behave like adults. It's too bad the opposition can't follow their lead! It's pathetic. :angry:

What's pathetic is the mantra, repeated over and over like a religious rite (which perhaps it is), that only "terrorist thugs" are beings abused.

As if "detainee" and "terrorist thug" are automaticaly synonymous.

That's not behaving like an adult; it's behaving like a rhetorician hopped up on meth.

[wyly]

As if "detainee" and "terrorist thug" are automaticaly synonymous.

and according to the Afghans most detainees are innocent, guilty of no more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time...

than there is the attempt to downgrade torture to "roughed up"...roughing up including electro shock whipping, beatings...some of these roughing ups being fatal...

roughing up is sure way to turn an inncoent detainee to the Taliban's corner...

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The Canadian citizen does indeed want peace and tranquility, we would like nothing better than merely a good government that listens to the citizens. Unfortunately the ways of the world intercede on our behalf for we truly do live in a global community. The world is a place of many diverse peoples and communities that interact in both social and economic matters. There is now less spirituality and more materialism, less charity and more disparity, and yet the growing sense of community is permeating the political landscape. In spite of capitalism and economy, the peoples of the world are communicating and ideals are changing.

Since the end of the second world war and the demise of the British Empire, the welfare state has risen to the point where there is a distinct reality being experienced by the western citizens. State education and health care are the basis for this new form of political landscapes. Welfare, and employment insurance are rounded out with government pensions for employment history and age benefits. The latest name for this form of government is the "Nanny" state, which comes with universal cradle to grave benefits from child tax benefits to death benefits. All these wonderful things are the result of the desires of the public.

The public does indeed determine what benefits we get and which ones we don't by means of our democratic system. We have created the perfect world here in Canada. Yet we could have and should have so much more. We need to rethink many things, and remake many things first, but we then need to invent many things to bring about a future alive with a sense of improving the human condition. That is what the rally call of politics should be founded upon, but sadly it is not. Perhaps it soon will be.

[normanchateau]

we would like nothing better than merely a good government that listens to the citizens.

Instead, we are stuck with a government who ignores our wishes. Although a majority of Canadians loathe Stephen Harper, they cannot unite behind a single alternative leader. Sadly, Harper and Ignatieff have identical disapproval ratings (51-52%).

[Shady]

Although a majority of Canadians loathe Stephen Harper

Complete nonsense.

Anyways, regarding your earlier post, I agree. I think we've spent too much money over the past couple of years. And I sincerely hope Harper begins slashing spending, across the board.

[normanchateau]

Complete nonsense.

A majority of Canadians disapprove of Stephen Harper.

[Shady]

A majority of Canadians disapprove of Stephen Harper.

Disapprove does not equal loathe.

[Oleg Bach]

'Gay men are more comfortable and honest about sexuallity' - to para phrase,,wtf....most of them are very uncomfortable about everything - and they weep with insecurity..as for honest....For the most part they are shrewed self serving hedonists who lie to gain what they believe they want..It's so stupid that there are people out there that actually believe that those who find gayness unsavory are called closet cases. You have a right to approve or disapprove of what ever you want - YOU have the right to discriminate against anything you see fit. YOU do not have the right to persecute those that are stronger or weaker.

[normanchateau]

Disapprove does not equal loathe.

True. I guess a majority of Canadians disapprove of him because they like the man.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Oh come on. There are a thousand little ways in which fathers/mothers influence the lives and thinking of their children. Both genders play their role in being role models for the young. Little girls and boys both get innumerable life experiences in how men/fathers ought to behave from a good father. The same goes for how women ought to behave from their mothers. Having one of each is simply a good, balanced learning experience. And yes, that presumes the parents ARE actually good role models, and acknowledges that some aren't. Certainly two parents of the same gender who are both good role models is a good thing, and better than straight parents who are not. But all things being equal, children are better off with one of each.

Ah so its a boy are supposed to act like this and can only be taught how to act like that from a man, and girls are supposed to act like this and can only be taught hot to act like that from a women thing. Lol. I'm confused how do you think gay people would act that would change a family dynamic that much?

Btw all things equal gay people in relationships tend to have better jobs, more money, and be more stable.

Edited May 24, 2010 by TrueMetis

[normanchateau]

Children are best served by a mother and father.

Is this statement evidence-based or just an opinion?

[Shady]

Is this statement evidence-based or just an opinion?

It's evidence based, but also common sense.

[Argus]

Ah so its a boy are supposed to act like this and can only be taught how to act like that from a man, and girls are supposed to act like this and can only be taught hot to act like that from a women thing. Lol.

That seems to be, to a large degree, what every sociologist and psychologist on the planet believes, yes.

Btw all things equal gay people in relationships tend to have better jobs, more money, and be more stable.

Actually, gay relationships tend to be far less stable than heterosexual ones.

[dre]

So you shouldn't have a problem with a person of faith holding office since faith isn't a measure of intelligence.

I couldnt care less if a religious person holds office, as log as decisions about reality arent made based on supernatural beliefs. Most moderate religious people manage to keep a healthy degree of separation between the office they hold and their personal spiritual beliefs. But I would definately not want to see religious hardliners and fundies in government.

[Guest TrueMetis]

That seems to be, to a large degree, what every sociologist and psychologist on the planet believes, yes.

How does that explain the skirt wearing Scottish? Gender roles vary a lot from culture to culture and within cultures. The idea that women are supposed to act a certain way and so are men is not one that stands up to scrutiny just look at history.

Actually, gay relationships tend to be far less stable than heterosexual ones.

You may be right I remember reading a study that says otherwise but I can't seem to find it.

[dre]

That seems to be, to a large degree, what every sociologist and psychologist on the planet believes, yes.

Source? Sounds like a subjective personal religious belief masquerading as a statement of fact.

Lets see what some of those professionals that actually study the issue say, shall we?

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

“The basis on which all decisions relating to custody and parental rights should rest on the best interest of the child. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals historically have faced more rigorous scrutiny than heterosexuals regarding their rights to be or become parents.

“There is no evidence to suggest or support that parents with a gay, lesbian, or bisexual orientation are per se different from or deficient in parenting skills, child-centered concerns and parent-child attachments, when compared to parents with a heterosexual orientation. It has long been established that a homosexual orientation is not related to psychopathology, and there is no basis on which to assume that a parental homosexual orientation will increase likelihood of or induce a homosexual orientation in the child.

“Outcome studies of children raised by parents with a homosexual or bisexual orientation, when compared to heterosexual parents, show no greater degree of instability in the parental relationship or developmental dysfunction in children.

“The AACAP opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation against individuals in regard to their rights as custodial or adoptive parents as adopted by Council."

American Academy of Family Physicians

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) adopted the following position statement at its October 2002 meeting:

“RESOLVED, That the AAFP establish policy and be supportive of legislation which promotes a safe and nurturing environment, including psychological and legal security, for all children, including those of adoptive parents, regardless of the parents' sexual orientation. ”

American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers (2004)

On same-sex unions. The American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers adopted the following position statement at its November 2004 meeting:

“BE IT RESOLVED That the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers supports the legalization of marriage between same-sex couples and the extension to same-sex couples who marry and their children of all of the legal rights and obligations of spouses and children of spouses.”

“BE IT RESOLVED That the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers encourages the United States Congress and the legislatures of all states to achieve the legalization of marriage between same-sex couples and the extension to same-sex couples who marry and their children of all of the legal rights and obligations of spouses and children of spouses. ”

American Academy of Pediatrics (2002)

The American Academy of Pediatrics issued the following statement in support of gay and lesbian parenting and called for equal access to co-parenting and second-parent adoption rights for gay and lesbian parents in February 2002:

“Children deserve to know that their relationships with both of their parents are stable and legally recognized. This applies to all children, whether their parents are of the same or opposite sex. The American Academy of Pediatrics recognizes that a considerable body of professional literature provides evidence that children with parents who are homosexual can have the same advantages and the same expectations for health, adjustment, and development as can children whose parents are heterosexual. When two adults participate in parenting a child, they and the child deserve the serenity that comes with legal recognition.

“Children born or adopted into families headed by partners who are of the same sex usually have only one biologic or adoptive legal parent. The other partner in a parental role is called the "coparent" or "second parent." Because these families and children need the permanence and security that are provided by having two fully sanctioned and legally defined parents, the Academy supports the legal adoption of children by coparents or second parents. Denying legal parent status through adoption to coparents or second parents prevents these children from enjoying the psychologic and legal security that comes from having two willing, capable, and loving parents.

“Several states have considered or enacted legislation sanctioning second-parent adoption by partners of the same sex. In addition, legislative initiatives assuring legal status equivalent to marriage for gay and lesbian partners, such as the law approving civil unions in Vermont, can also attend to providing security and permanence for the children of those partnerships.

“Many states have not yet considered legislative actions to ensure the security of children whose parents are gay or lesbian. Rather, adoption has been decided by probate or family courts on a case-by-case basis. Case precedent is limited. It is important that a broad ethical mandate exist nationally that will guide the courts in providing necessary protection for children through coparent adoption.

“Coparent or second-parent adoption protects the child's right to maintain continuing relationships with both parents. The legal sanction provided by coparent adoption accomplishes the following:

1.Guarantees that the second parent's custody rights and responsibilities will be protected if the first parent were to die or become incapacitated. Moreover, second-parent adoption protects the child's legal right of relationships with both parents. In the absence of coparent adoption, members of the family of the legal parent, should he or she become incapacitated, might successfully challenge the surviving coparent's rights to continue to parent the child, thus causing the child to lose both parents.

2.Protects the second parent's rights to custody and visitation if the couple separates. Likewise, the child's right to maintain relationships with both parents after separation, viewed as important to a positive outcome in separation or divorce of heterosexual parents, would be protected for families with gay or lesbian parents.

3.Establishes the requirement for child support from both parents in the event of the parents' separation.

4.Ensures the child's eligibility for health benefits from both parents.

5.Provides legal grounds for either parent to provide consent for medical care and to make education, health care, and other important decisions on behalf of the child.

6.Creates the basis for financial security for children in the event of the death of either parent by ensuring eligibility to all appropriate entitlements, such as Social Security survivors benefits.

“On the basis of the acknowledged desirability that children have and maintain a continuing relationship with two loving and supportive parents, the Academy recommends that pediatricians do the following:

Be familiar with professional literature regarding gay and lesbian parents and their children.

Support the right of every child and family to the financial, psychologic, and legal security that results from having legally recognized parents who are committed to each other and to the welfare of their children.

Advocate for initiatives that establish permanency through coparent or second-parent adoption for children of same-sex partners through the judicial system, legislation, and community education. ”

American Anthropological Association (2004)

On same-sex unions. The American Anthropological Association issued the following statement in February 2004:

“The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

“The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association strongly opposes a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples. ”

“The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

“The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association strongly opposes a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples. ”

American Bar Association (2003, 1999, and 1995)

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Bar Association adopted the following position statement in August 2003:

“RESOLVED, That the American Bar Association supports state and territorial laws and court decisions that permit the establishment of legal parent-child relationships through joint adoptions and second-parent adoptions by unmarried persons who are functioning as a child's parents when such adoptions are in the best interests of the child. ”

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Bar Association adopted the following position statement in February 1999:

“RESOLVED, That the American Bar Association supports the enactment of laws and implementation of public policy that provide that sexual orientation shall not be a bar to adoption when the adoption is determined to be in the best interest of the child. ”

On child custody and visitation. The American Bar Association adopted the following position statement in August 1995:

“BE IT RESOLVED, That the American Bar Association supports the enactment of legislation and implementation of public policy providing that child custody and visitation shall not be denied or restricted on the basis of sexual orientation. ”

American Medical Association

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Medical Association adopted the following position statement at its June 2004 meeting:

“WHEREAS, Having two fully sanctioned and legally defined parents promotes a safe and nurturing environment for children, including psychological and legal security; and

“WHEREAS, Children born or adopted into families headed by partners who are of the same sex usually have only one biologic or adoptive legal parent; and

“WHEREAS, The legislative protection afforded to children of parents in homosexual relationships varies from state to state, with some states enacting or considering legislation sanctioning co-parent or second parent adoption by partners of the same sex, several states declining to consider legislation, and at least one state altogether banning adoption by the second parent; and

“WHEREAS, Co-parent or second parent adoption guarantees that the second parent's custody rights and responsibilities are protected if the first parent dies or becomes incapacitated; and

“WHEREAS, Co-parent or second parent adoption ensures the child's eligibility for health benefits from both parents and establishes the requirement for child support from both parents in the event of the parents' separation; and

“WHEREAS, Co-parent or second parent adoption establishes legal grounds to provide consent for medical care and to make health care decisions on behalf of the child and guarantees visitation rights if the child becomes hospitalized; and

“WHEREAS, The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychiatric Association have each issued statements supporting initiatives which allow same-sex couples to adopt and co-parent children; therefore be it

“RESOLVED, That our American Medical Association support legislative and other efforts to allow the adoption of a child by the same-sex partner, or opposite sex non-married partner, who functions as a second parent or co-parent to that child. (New HOD Policy)”

American Psychiatric Association (2002, 1997, and 2000)

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Psychiatric Association adopted the following position statement at its November 2002 meeting:

“The American Psychiatric Association supports initiatives that allow same-sex couples to adopt and co-parent children and supports all the associated legal rights, benefits, and responsibilities which arise from such initiatives. ”

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Psychiatric Association adopted the following position statement at its December 1997 meeting:

“1. Sexual orientation should not be used as the sole or primary factor in child custody decisions. ”

“2. Gay and lesbian couples and individuals should be allowed to become parents through adoption, fostering and new reproductive technologies, subject to the same type of screening used with heterosexual couples and individuals. ”

“3. Second-parent adoptions which grant full parental rights to a second, unrelated adult (usually an unmarried partner of a legal parent), are often in the best interest of the child(ren) and should not be prohibited solely because both adults are of the same gender. ”

“4. Custody determinations after dissolution of a gay relationship should be done in a manner similar to other custody determinations. ”

On same-sex unions. The American Psychiatric Association adopted the following position statement at its November 2000 meeting:

“The American Psychiatric Association supports the legal recognition of same sex unions and their associated legal rights, benefits and responsibilities. ”

American Psychoanalytic Association (1997 and 2002)

On marriage. The Executive Council of the American Psychoanalytic Association endorsed the following resolution in December 1997 (reaffirmed in March 2004):

“Because marriage is a basic human right and an individual personal choice, RESOLVED, the state should not interfere with same-gender couples who choose to marry and share fully and equally in the rights, responsibilities, and commitment of civil marriage. ”

On gay and lesbian parenting. The American Psychoanalytic Association adopted this policy statement in support of gay and lesbian parenting in May 2002:

“The American Psychoanalytic Association supports the position that the salient consideration in decisions about parenting, including conception, child rearing, adoption, visitation and custody is in the best interest of the child. Accumulated evidence suggests the best interest of the child requires attachment to committed, nurturing and competent parents. Evaluation of an individual or couple for these parental qualities should be determined without prejudice regarding sexual orientation. Gay and lesbian individuals and couples are capable of meeting the best interest of the child and should be afforded the same rights and should accept the same responsibilities as heterosexual parents. With the adoption of this position statement, we support research studies that further our understanding of the impact of both traditional and gay/lesbian parenting on a child's development. ”

American Psychological Association (1976, 1998, and 2004)

For full text of APA policy statements on lesbian, gay, and bisexual concerns, see APA policy lgbc.

Discrimination Against Homosexuals

[Adopted by the American Psychological Association (APA) Council of Representatives on January 24-26, 1975.]

“1. The American Psychological Association supports the action taken on December 15, 1973, by the American Psychiatric Association, removing homosexuality from that Association's official list of mental disorders. The American Psychological Association therefore adopts the following resolution:

“Homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social and vocational capabilities; Further, the American Psychological Association urges all mental health professionals to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with homosexual orientations.

“2. Regarding discrimination against homosexuals, the American Psychological Association adopts the following resolution concerning their civil and legal rights:

“The American Psychological Association deplores all public and private discrimination in such areas as employment, housing, public accommodation, and licensing against those who engage in or have engaged in homosexual activities and declares that no burden of proof of such judgment, capacity, or reliability shall be placed upon these individuals greater than that imposed on any other persons. Further, the American Psychological Association supports and urges the enactment of civil rights legislation at the local, state, and federal levels that would offer citizens who engage in acts of homosexuality the same protections now guaranteed to others on the basis of race, creed, color, etc. Further, the American Psychological Association supports and urges the repeal of all discriminatory legislation singling out homosexual acts by consenting adults in private (Conger, 1975, p. 633). ”

Conger, J. J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.

On marriage rights for same-sex couples. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives adopted this position statement on July 28, 2004:

“WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore 'all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians' and urges 'the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men' (Conger, 1975, p. 633);

“WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Legal Benefits for Same-Sex Couples in 1998 (Levant, 1998, pp. 665-666);

“WHEREAS discrimination and prejudice based on sexual orientation detrimentally affect psychological, physical, social, and economic well-being (Badgett, 2001; Cochran, Sullivan, & Mays, 2003; Herek, Gillis, & Cogan, 1999; Meyer, 2003);

“WHEREAS 'anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution' (American Anthropological Association, 2004);

“WHEREAS psychological research on relationships and couples provides no evidence to justify discrimination against same-sex couples (Kurdek, 2001, in press; Peplau & Beals, 2004; Peplau & Spalding, 2000);

“WHEREAS the institution of civil marriage confers a social status and important legal benefits, rights, and privileges;

“WHEREAS the United States General Accounting Office (2004) has identified over 1,000 federal statutory provisions in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges, for example, those concerning taxation, federal loans, and dependent and survivor benefits (e.g., Social Security, military, and veterans);

“WHEREAS there are numerous state, local, and private sector laws and other provisions in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges, for example, those concerning taxation, health insurance, health care decision making, property rights, pension and retirement benefits, and inheritance;

“WHEREAS same-sex couples are denied equal access to civil marriage;

“WHEREAS same-sex couples who enter into a civil union are denied equal access to all the benefits, rights, and privileges provided by federal law to married couples (United States General Accounting Office, 2004);

“WHEREAS the benefits, rights, and privileges associated with domestic partnerships are not universally available, are not equal to those associated with marriage, and are rarely portable;

“WHEREAS people who also experience discrimination based on age, race, ethnicity, disability, gender and gender identity, religion, and socioeconomic status may especially benefit from access to marriage for same-sex couples (Division 44/Committee on Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Concerns Joint Task Force on Guidelines for Psychotherapy with Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Clients, 2000);

“THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT the APA believes that it is unfair and discriminatory to deny same-sex couples legal access to civil marriage and to all its attendant benefits, rights, and privileges;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination in legal benefits, rights, and privileges against same-sex couples;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination against same-sex couples in their practice, research, education, and training (“Ethical Principles, ” 2002, p. 1063);

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding sexual orientation and marriage and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations. ”

American Anthropological Association. (2004). Statement on marriage and family from the American Anthropological Association. Retrieved May 11, 2004, from http://www.aaanet.org/press/ma_stmt_marriage.htm.

American Psychological Association. (2002). Ethical principles of psychologists and code of conduct. American Psychologist, 57, 1060-1073.

Badgett, M. V. L. (2001). Money, myths, and change: The economic lives of lesbians and gay men. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Cochran, S. D., Sullivan, J. G., & Mays, V. M. (2003). Prevalence of mental disorders, psychological distress, and mental health service use among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults in the United States. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 71, 53-61.

Conger, J. J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.

Division 44/Committee on Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Concerns Joint Task Force on Guidelines for Psychotherapy with Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Clients. (2000). Guidelines for psychotherapy with lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients. American Psychologist, 55, 1440-1451.

Herek, G. M., Gillis, J. R., & Cogan, J. C. (1999). Psychological sequelae of hate crime victimization among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 67, 945-951.

Kurdek, L. A. (2001). Differences between heterosexual non-parent couples and gay, lesbian, and heterosexual parent couples. Journal of Family Issues, 22, 727-754.

Levant, R. F. (1999). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the legislative year 1998: Minutes of the Annual meeting of the Council of Representatives February 20-22, 1998, Washington, DC, and August 13 and 16, 1998, San Francisco, CA, and minutes of the February, June, August, and December meetings of the Board of Directors. American Psychologist, 54, 605-671.

Meyer, I. H. (2003). Prejudice, social stress, mental health in lesbian, gay, and bisexual populations: Conceptual issues and research evidence. Psychological Bulletin, 129, 674-697.

Paige, R. U. (2005). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association for the legislative year 2004: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives, February 20-22, 2004, Washington, DC, and July 28 and 30, 2004, Honolulu, Hawaii, and Minutes of the February, April, June, August, October, and December 2004 Meetings of the Board of Directors. American Psychologist, 60, 436-511.

Peplau, L. A., & Beals, K. P. (2004). The family lives of lesbians and gay men. In A. L. Vangelisti (Ed.), Handbook of family communication (pp. 233-248). Mahwah, NJ: Erlbaum.

Peplau, L. A., & Spalding, L. R. (2000). The close relationships of lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals. In C. Hendrick & S. S. Hendrick (Eds.), Close relationships: A sourcebook (pp. 111-123). Thousand Oaks: Sage.

United States General Accounting Office. (2004, January 23). Defense of Marriage Act: Update to prior report [GAO-04-353R]. Retrieved May 19, 2004, from http://www.gao.gov.

On parenting. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives adopted this position statement July 28, 2004:

“WHEREAS APA supports policy and legislation that promote safe, secure, and nurturing environments for all children (DeLeon, 1993, 1995; Fox, 1991; Levant, 2000);

“WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore 'all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians' and urges 'the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men' (Conger, 1975);

“WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Child Custody and Placement in 1976 (Conger, 1977, p. 432);

“WHEREAS discrimination against lesbian and gay parents deprives their children of benefits, rights, and privileges enjoyed by children of heterosexual married couples;

“WHEREAS some jurisdictions prohibit gay and lesbian individuals and same-sex couples from adopting children, notwithstanding the great need for adoptive parents (Lofton v. Secretary, 2004);

“WHEREAS there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: Lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);

“WHEREAS research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);

“THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT the APA opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT the APA believes that children reared by a same-sex couple benefit from legal ties to each parent;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT the APA supports the protection of parent-child relationships through the legalization of joint adoptions and second-parent adoptions of children being reared by same-sex couples;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services in their practice, research, education, and training (Ethical Principles, 2002, p. 1063);

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations. ”

American Psychological Association. (2002). Ethical principles of psychologists and code of conduct. American Psychologist, 57, 1060-1073.

Conger, J. J. (1977). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1976: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 32, 408-438.

Conger, J. J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.

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DeLeon, P. H. (1993). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1992: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives August 13 and 16, 1992, and February 26-28, 1993, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 48, 782.

Fox, R. E. (1991). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1990: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives August 9 and 12, 1990, Boston, MA, and February 8-9, 1991, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 45, 845.

Levant, R. F. (2000). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1999: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives February 19-21, 1999, Washington, DC, and August 19 and 22, 1999, Boston, MA, and Minutes of the February, June, August, and December 1999 meetings of the Board of Directors. American Psychologist, 55, 832-890.

Lofton v. Secretary of Department of Children and Family Services, 358 F.3d 804 (11th Cir. 2004).

Patterson, C. J. (2004). Gay fathers. In M. E. Lamb (Ed.), The role of the father in child development (4th Ed.). New York: John Wiley.

Patterson, C. J. (2000). Family relationships of lesbians and gay men. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62, 1052-1069.

Perrin, E. C., & the Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health. (2002). Technical report: Coparent or second-parent adoption by same-sex parents. Pediatrics, 109, 341-344.

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On parenting. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives adopted the following position statement in September 1976:

“The sex, gender identity, or sexual orientation of natural or prospective adoptive or foster parents should not be the sole or primary variable considered in custody or placement cases. ”

Reference: Conger, J. J. (1977). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1976: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 32, 408-438.

On legal benefits for same-sex couples. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives adopted this position statement in August 1998:

“WHEREAS there is evidence that homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social and vocational capabilities (Conger, 1975) for individuals;

“WHEREAS legislation, other public policy, and private policy on issues related to same-sex couples is currently under development in many places in North America (e.g., Canadian Psychological Association, 1996);

“WHEREAS the scientific literature has found no significant difference between different-sex couples and same-sex couples that justify discrimination (Kurdek, 1994; 1983; Peplau, 1991);

“WHEREAS scientific research has not found significant psychological or emotional differences between the children raised in different-sex versus same-sex households (Patterson, 1994);

“WHEREAS APA has, as a long established policy, deplored 'all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians in such areas as employment, housing, administration, and licensing ...' and has consistently urged 'the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men' (Conger, 1975);

“WHEREAS denying the legal benefits that the license of marriage offers to same-sex households (including, but not limited to, property rights, health care decision making, estate planning, tax consequences, spousal privileges in medical emergency situations, and co-parental adoption of children) is justified as fair and equal treatment;

“WHEREAS the absence of access to these benefits constitutes a significant psychosocial stressor for lesbians, gay men, and their families;

“WHEREAS APA provides benefits to its members' and employees' domestic partners equivalent to those provided to members' and employees' spouses;

“WHEREAS psychological knowledge can be used to inform the current public and legal debate on 'same-sex marriage' (e.g., Baehr v. Lewin);

“THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT APA supports the provision to same-sex couples of the legal benefits that typically accrue as a result of marriage to same-sex couples who desire and seek the legal benefits; and

“THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT APA shall provide relevant psychological knowledge to inform the public discussion in this area and assist state psychological associations and divisions in offering such information as needed. ” Return to top

Baehr v. Lewin, 852 P.2d 44, 59 (Haw. 1993).

Canadian Psychological Association. (1996). Policy statement on equality for lesbians, gay men, and their relationships and families. [Available from the Canadian Psychological Association.]

Conger, J. J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.

Kurdek, L. A. (1993). The nature and correlates of relationship quality in gay, lesbian, and heterosexual cohabiting couples: A test of the individual difference, interdependence, and discrepancy models. In B. Greene & G. M. Herek (Eds.), Lesbian and gay psychology: Theory, research, and clinical issues (pp. 133-155). Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications.

Patterson, C. J. (1993). Children of the lesbian baby boom: Behavioral adjustment, self-concepts, and sex role theory. In B. Greene & G. M. Herek (Eds.), Lesbian and gay psychology: Theory, research, and clinical issues (pp. 156-175). Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications.

Peplau, A. L. (1991). Lesbian and gay relationships. In J. C. Gonsiorek and J. D. Weinrich (Eds.), Homosexuality: Research implications for public policy (pp. 177-196). Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications.

Child Welfare League of America (1988)

The Child Welfare League of America's Standards of Excellence for Adoption Services states:

“Applicants should be assessed on the basis of their abilities to successfully parent a child needing family membership and not on their race, ethnicity or culture, income, age, marital status, religion, appearance, differing lifestyles, or sexual orientation." Further, applicants for adoption should be accepted "on the basis of an individual assessment of their capacity to understand and meet the needs of a particular available child at the point of adoption and in the future. ”

National Association of Social Workers (2002)

The National Association of Social Workers approved the following policy statement at in August 2002 at the NASW Delegate Assembly.

“Legislation legitimizing second-parent adoptions in same-sex households should be supported. Legislation seeking to restrict foster care and adoption by gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people should be vigorously opposed. ”

National Association of Social Workers (1994). Policy statement on lesbian and gay issues. In Social Work Speaks: NASW Policy Statements (pp. 162-165). Washington, DC: National Association of Social Workers.

North American Council on Adoptable Children (1998)

The North American Council on Adoptable Children issued a policy statement in 1998 (amended April 14, 2002) that states:

“Children should not be denied a permanent family because of the sexual orientation of potential parents. Everyone with the potential to successfully parent a child in foster care or adoption is entitled to fair and equal consideration.

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[Dave_ON]

Wow quite thorough DRE

[Guest TrueMetis]

Nice job DRE.

[jbg]

Is this statement evidence-based or just an opinion?

Why experiment? For what gain?

[jbg]

Source? Sounds like a subjective personal religious belief masquerading as a statement of fact.

Lets see what some of those professionals that actually study the issue say, shall we?

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

“The basis on which all decisions relating to custody and parental rights should rest on the best interest of the child. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals historically have faced more rigorous scrutiny than heterosexuals regarding their rights to be or become parents.

“There is no evidence to suggest or support that parents with a gay, lesbian, or bisexual orientation are per se different from or deficient in parenting skills, child-centered concerns and parent-child attachments, when compared to parents with a heterosexual orientation. It has long been established that a homosexual orientation is not related to psychopathology, and there is no basis on which to assume that a parental homosexual orientation will increase likelihood of or induce a homosexual orientation in the child.

“Outcome studies of children raised by parents with a homosexual or bisexual orientation, when compared to heterosexual parents, show no greater degree of instability in the parental relationship or developmental dysfunction in children.

“The AACAP opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation against individuals in regard to their rights as custodial or adoptive parents as adopted by Council."

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North American Council on Adoptable Children (1998)

The North American Council on Adoptable Children issued a policy statement in 1998 (amended April 14, 2002) that states:

“Children should not be denied a permanent family because of the sexual orientation of potential parents. Everyone with the potential to successfully parent a child in foster care or adoption is entitled to fair and equal consideration.

All politically correct garbage.

[dre]

All politically correct garbage.

No actually those are statements by the elected leadershp of most of the associations representing almost all the professionals that work in related fields. Those are the people that see the issue first hand and spend much of their lives studying it.

And you have it backwards anyways. Coming out and saying that homosexuals should be allowed to marry and adopt children isnt politically correct at all... in fact its political suicide in the US and most of Canada. The politically correct and politically expedient thing to do is to either sit on the fence or climb on the wagon with the bigots and homophobes, because theyre a much larger voting block than gays or lesbians.

The bottom line is theres absolutely no empirical support for your position (not that you even have one). Which is why your post consisted of... well... nothing.

The fact is that gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation are not defining factors in what makes people good parents.