M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 The vast majority of the victims of 9/11 are really not that different than the majority of victims in, say...Gaza, for example. Both suffer the consequences of being collateral damage and the often unwitting and unwilling human shields for the real combatants that are embedded within civilian areas. Bollocks...please identify the military value of the twin towers. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Sir Bandelot Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 please identify the military value of the twin towers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Justice_of_Roosting_Chickens Churchill's remarks about World Trade Center victims became the center of considerable attention and controversy in January 2005 when Hamilton College of Clinton, New York invited him to give a speech. As a result, the speech was cancelled, citing "credible threats of violence". Churchill's "little Eichmanns" drew ferverous condemnation from conservative media pundits, who called for his resignation and deemed him unfit to teach. The University of Colorado Board of Regents publicly apologized for Churchill's writings about the September 11, 2001 attacks. Following this media controversy, Churchill was investigated for academic misconduct, fired, and filed a lawsuit against CU that he won in a jury verdict but that was vacated by the judge in the case. Heheheheh Freedom of speech in Amerikkka Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 So when the Allies attacked Europe to free it from the Germans they were commiting terrorism, and when Osama Bin Laden, multi-millionaire oil sheik, flew airplanes into buildings in Manhattan, he was only fighting the war of the poor man, is that it? How about this for a quote. "People who try to make intellectual distinctions about terrorism deserve to have their families die in a terrorist attack." - Me. I'll tell my family about that one then. Thanks! Compared to the military means of a great number of countries, most terrorists, including Osama Bin Laden, are poor in comparison. What do most terrorists, such as al-Qaeda and the IRA, fight with? Some guns and homemade explosives. No F-15's, no tanks, no battleships. Terrorism is simply another means to achieve a political goal through violent measures. Terrorism has no one definition, but its basically the use of fear as means of coercion. You're telling me countries don't do this through conventional warfare? Hiroshima and "shock and awe" anyone? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Sir Bandelot Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 How about this for a quote. "People who try to make intellectual distinctions about terrorism deserve to have their families die in a terrorist attack." - Me. It's not nice Quote
Bonam Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 The vast majority of the victims of 9/11 are really not that different than the majority of victims in, say...Gaza, for example. Both suffer the consequences of being collateral damage and the often unwitting and unwilling human shields for the real combatants that are embedded within civilian areas. Who were the combatants embedded in the twin towers again? Sorry, analogy fails. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 (edited) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Justice_of_Roosting_Chickens So no military targets eh? Just some whack job's lame assed justifiction of murder... Edited May 5, 2010 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Moonlight Graham Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 Who were the combatants embedded in the twin towers again? Sorry, analogy fails. But the Twin Towers were an important economic/political target. A better analogy would be to say that flying a plane into the twin towers & killing innocents is similar in soem respects to a country flying over and bombing a target that also has civilians inside. But there is obviously a difference in wanted strategic outcome. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 But the Twin Towers were an important economic/political target. A better analogy would be to say that flying a plane into the twin towers & killing innocents is similar in soem respects to a country flying over and bombing a target that also has civilians inside. But there is obviously a difference in wanted strategic outcome. The intended effect wasn't to deliver a powerful blow to the economy....it was symbolic, first by the mass murder of civilians and then by the target itself. Even the economic effect was extremely limited...if they had truly wanted an economic target, there are many many more that would have had a long term impact....panama canal for example...South Louisianne port~3rd busiest in the world... No there was no military kustification for the attack, it was pure terrorism. kill wpomen and children and make the populace so scared they would listen to b in laden.... didn't work...bin laden lives in a cave. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Moonlight Graham Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 The intended effect wasn't to deliver a powerful blow to the economy....it was symbolic, first by the mass murder of civilians and then by the target itself. Even the economic effect was extremely limited...if they had truly wanted an economic target, there are many many more that would have had a long term impact....panama canal for example...South Louisianne port~3rd busiest in the world... No there was no military kustification for the attack, it was pure terrorism. kill wpomen and children and make the populace so scared they would listen to b in laden.... didn't work...bin laden lives in a cave. Well i agree that it was symbolic, but i maintain that he did at least in part want to hurt the economy. And he certainly did, although not as much by the actual destruction of the WTC but by the instability the entire 9/11 attacks caused. And it didn't work? Are you kidding me? Who heard of Osama Bin Laden before 9/11? His message was heard loud and clear. He even got the USA to get themselves bogged down in an unwinnable war in Afghanistan. 9/11 is the most successful terrorist attack in history by 1000x from the perspective of the terrorist. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 Who were the combatants embedded in the twin towers again? Sorry, analogy fails. I said civilian areas not twin towers. The WTC was more than just a symbol of the economic impetus behind most of the west's determination to be in a state of hegemony however, it was much like the Pentagon, a command and control center of the empire. Given the fourth plane was assumed to be targeting the White House or Congress... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 The WTC was .... a command and control center of the empire. You really are a tinfoil eating fruitcake... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 He even got the USA to get themselves bogged down in an unwinnable war in Afghanistan. . So you think all alongBin Laden's plan was to have the Taliban bombed out of power and replaced by a friendly regime with the US supplying the firepower? ....OBL is sooo crafty... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
SAK Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 I think you're forgetting that while non-Muslims do carry out terrorist attacks, those attacks are almost always far less murderous than those carried out by Muslims. For example, the bombings of oil pipelines out west could be descibed as terrorist acts, though no one was killed. The death rate from non-Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe and the US over the last ten years would be miniscule. And the number of those attacks would also be very slight compared to the number of attacks in countries with higher Muslim populations. There is great difference between "Muslim" and "Islam". The question asking to opine regarding "Islam" I will still insist that it is a wrong question.The so-called Muslim killed thousands of Muslims in Iraq and Pakistan through their terrior attacks.While "Islam" is preaching that all Muslim are brothers and killing a human being is great Sin according to their Holy Book "Qoran".They are only "Terrorist" and they are working on their own Agendas.The Executives of various countries are involoved for their own concernd objectives.Let us change the usless and fruitless above Topic. Quote
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 You really are a tinfoil eating fruitcake... Oh well, you're a big poopy head. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 I said civilian areas not twin towers. The WTC was more than just a symbol of the economic impetus behind most of the west's determination to be in a state of hegemony however, it was much like the Pentagon, a command and control center of the empire. Really? Then I wonder how the "empire" managed to continue "command and control" of the known universe after the towers fell. Here is a link to the tenant list....including my former employer "Empire Insurance"...maybe you meant that kind of "empire"? http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 You really are a tinfoil eating fruitcake... You're dealing with a guy who wants to stick cameras on every politician. Tinfoil hat doesn't seem to quite sum up Eyeball. I'm kinda glad he's moving towards not voting. Quote
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 Really? Then I wonder how the "empire" managed to continue "command and control" of the known universe after the towers fell. By taking out a mortgage on your descendant's incomes, with the Chinese apparently. Here is a link to the tenant list....including my former employer "Empire Insurance"...maybe you meant that kind of "empire"?http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html No, not that kind of empire. By the way isn't that a Canadian Company? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 You're dealing with a guy who wants to stick cameras on every politician. Tinfoil hat doesn't seem to quite sum up Eyeball. I'm kinda glad he's moving towards not voting. Actually I'd prefer they volunteer to wear cameras. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 By taking out a mortgage on your descendant's incomes, with the Chinese apparently. Isn't there any sort of internal system in your brain that scans the things your about to type to assure that the concepts you attempt to put across have any relationship to reality? Quote
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 Isn't there any sort of internal system in your brain that scans the things your about to type to assure that the concepts you attempt to put across have any relationship to reality? So where do you think the US got the money it needed to as BC put it, to continue "command and control" of the known universe after the towers fell? Wasn't it obvious that was the concept he was putting across? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 So where do you think the US got the money it needed to as BC put it, to continue "command and control" of the known universe after the towers fell? Wasn't it obvious that was the concept he was putting across? The "where" is obviously not the towers. Suggesting that the Towers were anything other than offices of public and private companies shows what a total fruitcake you are....and suggesting that they were a legitimate target shows what an twisted idiot you are too... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shady Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 How about this for a quote. "People who try to make intellectual distinctions about terrorism deserve to have their families die in a terrorist attack." - Me. I like it! Quote
eyeball Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 The "where" is obviously not the towers. Suggesting that the Towers were anything other than offices of public and private companies shows what a total fruitcake you are....and suggesting that they were a legitimate target shows what an twisted idiot you are too... Get a grip, you act as I'm the only one who's ever suggested that the financial center of world trade isn't in command of much of the west's impetus to control the world. You think it was just a coincidence it was called the World Trade Center? The symbolism is that lost on you? Of course it isn't. Your feigned ignorance is really going out of style. You should take a cue. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 So where do you think the US got the money it needed to as BC put it, to continue "command and control" of the known universe after the towers fell? Wasn't it obvious that was the concept he was putting across? The Trade Towers were not command and control centers. Your underlying premise is B.S. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 5, 2010 Report Posted May 5, 2010 You think it was just a coincidence it was called the World Trade Center? Call your pharmacy and get your prescription filled before you go out to sea again. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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