Lesbian teacher told to work from home

[bloodyminded]

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If you notice, I am passionate about this subject..to put it in plain English...I really HATE...social engineering in any fashion!....mantras like "healing" ...really irritate me. RIGHT to the point..as an old Orthodox Christian that understands that the original movement was a total seperation of church and state..and that the individual was paramount. Church and state have always been one...personally - I say F the state and have personal sovereignty ...homo sexuality...turns you into a drone.

But at the time you developed your rather intense dislike for homosexuality, it was not accepted by the state. At all.

So that can't be the reason.

[Michael Hardner]

I am attracted to every thing that is beautiful..male, female...trees..water...

I think you're projecting your bisexuality onto everyone, and it's skewing your assessment of how most people are put together. I'm being honest here, and mean no disrespect.

[Oleg Bach]

But at the time you developed your rather intense dislike for homosexuality, it was not accepted by the state. At all.

So that can't be the reason.

THIS ploy reminds me of anti-semetic nonsense..There are homosexuals on my street..I am very kind to them..I embrace them and flirt to a degree..There is not "intense" dislike..BUT they know what I think ...and what I think is of service to them...The aspects of this thing are semi-complex yet simple..when dealing with a homosexual, you must understand their past and the road that brought them to this stage..NOT saying that gays are straight..but I have tossed this idea across to some of them..."If you were deposited on a remote desert island with a fine and gentle woman....and I came back in two year would there be children..most said yes.

[Oleg Bach]

HERE is what I figured out...Most lesbians can not stand violent and agressive monkey like men..they want good men...I met young woman on the street car..she was a bit drunk and we talked..by the time we had traveled .... about five minutes..she had her hand under my jacket and was embracing me..she asked to be kissed..so I kissed her ...and kissed her again..she trusted me..she was a lesbain. POINT being..lesbian woman do not like men because they are ass holes............I was not!

[Oleg Bach]

Logic and experience out weighs political correctness...I just love lesbians...and they just love me..< MAYBE I was a woman in a previous life that that was a lesbian and my dream came true and I was born a man.

[g_bambino]

Canada does not have any 'official' state religion per se, but the Catholic Faith is granted certain specific Constitutional privileges, thus essentially making Canada have if not an official state religion, then a de-facto state religion.

Which would be odd, given that another of our constitutional documents bars Catholics from becoming monarch of Canada.

[g_bambino]

how much of a choice is heterosexuality for you and why did you decide against gayness ?

A valid question.

[g_bambino]

I think you're projecting your bisexuality onto everyone, and it's skewing your assessment of how most people are put together.

Everyone is inherently bisexual, to some degree. Could you asserting that "most people" are put together otherwise not be your own projection onto everyone?

[sharkman]

What the hell is a lesbian doing applying, going through the interview process, and then actually working for an organization that she hates?

I think we can all agree that she hid her lifestyle, and the fact that her 'partner' was preggers during her interview, thus presenting false information for the job interview. But we'll never know because the school has too much class. But they simply wouldn't have hired her if they knew she was gay and her partner was pregnant. Private schools have a code of conduct you must agree to as a condition of employment, which she obviously couldn't have cared less about, and she should have been fired over.

So now the teacher runs to the media crying foul after she agreed to a Catholic code of conduct and kept hid her gay pregnant partner. So typical.

[Handsome Rob]

So now the teacher runs to the media crying foul after she agreed to a Catholic code of conduct and kept hid her gay pregnant partner. So typical.

BCHRT, guaranteed victory = $$$$.

[wyly]

Well why should we encourage young people to spend their life with a dick in their mouth or up the butt? AS I have always said let nature take it's course and stop perpetuating sexual interference as a social policy. Why do we have more gays now than we did thirty years ago? It is not that they have more freedom to be themselves..it is probably because we encourage rather than discourage.

being gay was not that long ago something you go to prison for, something that would cost you your job, get you a severe beating...so why do you suspect they remained closeted away, in sham marriages or in the clergy...

[Guest American Woman]

[Reimer] said she met with school principal Marcelle DeFreitas and vice-principal Diane Little in January and was told the school doesn't give parental leave but that she could take up to 15 days sick leave to be with her partner. At the time, they were excited for her future child, she said, but they also warned her that if word got out and parents complained, they "might have to dismiss me."

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The article goes on to say: Reimer said she never discussed her sexual orientation with students and she did not disclose to her colleagues that she was a lesbian.

If she were out on leave for her partner's birth, she wouldn't have to "disclose" to them she's a lesbian, I think they could figure it out.

Furthermore, the fact that she's she's "angry about the message the school is sending to students," is speaking out against the Catholic faith, which is a breach of the contract she signed.

Whether or not one agrees with the school's decision, this, to me, is a perfect example of why religious schools shouldn't receive any public funding.

[wyly]

LESBIANS and gays are just plain dumb and lazy...do your duty..be a human and stop listening to the social engineers that want to weaken you ...hedonistic homo behaviour is a choice...I don't want to hear about " I just can't help it."

I used to think like that as well...I have learned I was wrong, gay behaviour is wired into a person from birth...a person can be fully gay/lesbian to completely hetero but there are varying degrees of both ...I personally know someone who had a sex change male to female but he claimed he was not gay if he was gay he would have kept his male body, he was a she brain born in a male body, it took me a long time to fully comprehend that...and before you disregard that I've confirmed it with an MD...just as there are people born with the incorrect physical parts both male and female in the same body, brains are also affected from conception incorrectly... Edited April 29, 2010 by wyly

[sharkman]

BCHRT, guaranteed victory = $$$$.

Wrong. If she signed the code of conduct, then she has little recourse but to go to the media. She obviously lied about herself and now is crying foul!

Again, the school simply wouldn't have hired her if they knew she was gay. And had a pregnant partner. And was willing to lie about what she believed in.

Edited April 29, 2010 by sharkman

[Handsome Rob]

Wrong. If she signed the code of conduct, then she has little recourse but to go to the media. She obviously lied about herself and now is crying foul!

Again, the school simply wouldn't have hired her if they knew she was gay. And had a pregnant partner. And was willing to lie about what she believed in.

Time will tell. It's not a court of law, and said ethics do not apply.

[wyly]

Wrong. If she signed the code of conduct, then she has little recourse but to go to the media. She obviously lied about herself and now is crying foul!

Again, the school simply wouldn't have hired her if they knew she was gay. And had a pregnant partner. And was willing to lie about what she believed in.

what's wrong here is the catholic school being able to discriminate against something that is natural, it's no different then discriminating on hair or skin colour or the size of you nose...this isn't a lifestyle choice, it's the way people are born...

[Guest TrueMetis]

What the hell is a lesbian doing applying, going through the interview process, and then actually working for an organization that she hates?

What are you talking about? There are plenty of gay and lesbian catholics. Where the hell did it say she hated the organization.

I think we can all agree that she hid her lifestyle, and the fact that her 'partner' was preggers during her interview, thus presenting false information for the job interview. But we'll never know because the school has too much class. But they simply wouldn't have hired her if they knew she was gay and her partner was pregnant. Private schools have a code of conduct you must agree to as a condition of employment, which she obviously couldn't have cared less about, and she should have been fired over.

From what AW posted.

"[Reimer] said she met with school principal Marcelle DeFreitas and vice-principal Diane Little in January and was told the school doesn't give parental leave but that she could take up to 15 days sick leave to be with her partner. At the time, they were excited for her future child, she said, but they also warned her that if word got out and parents complained, they "might have to dismiss me."

Doesn't look like her being a lesbian was an issue to the principle. Also last time I checked sexual orientation had nothing to do with your qualification for a job, and is not something regulary asked in an interview.

[sharkman]

What are you talking about? There are plenty of gay and lesbian catholics. Where the hell did it say she hated the organization.

From what AW posted.

"[Reimer] said she met with school principal Marcelle DeFreitas and vice-principal Diane Little in January and was told the school doesn't give parental leave but that she could take up to 15 days sick leave to be with her partner. At the time, they were excited for her future child, she said, but they also warned her that if word got out and parents complained, they "might have to dismiss me."

Doesn't look like her being a lesbian was an issue to the principle. Also last time I checked sexual orientation had nothing to do with your qualification for a job, and is not something regulary asked in an interview.

There is an issue here that some need to become familar with, have you ever heard of Catholicity? Are you familiar with Catholic teachings on homosexuality? Many organizations, not just the Catholic church, have employees follow a code of conduct as a condition of employment. That means their personal lives, not just while at school.

General Catholic teachings on homosexuality go something like this:

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

In addition, here's a look at a typical Catholicity clause from a Catholic school board in Alberta:

The Catholicity Clause

"1. As part of the teaching ministry to the students and children of the faith community in each school of the District, the Teacher:

IF CATHOLIC:

a) attests that she/he is a practicing Catholic;

-represents that she/he is capable and willing to teach a fully permeated Catholic faith both in and outside of formal religion classes, celebrations and exercises;

c) undertakes to follow, both in and out of school, a lifestyle and deportment in harmony with Catholic teaching and principles which the Teacher understands to include, among other things, participation in the Sacraments of the Church and living in keeping with the principles of the Gospel and teachings of the Catholic Church, as determined by the local bishop;

d) has or shall provide the District with a testimonial from a priest or member of the pastoral team attesting to her/his faith commitment;

e) understands and is committed to the responsibility to undertake periodic professional development related to Catholicity and to fully support the spiritual development of students.

Rub the above 2 quotes together and you've got a Catholic teaching saying it's wrong to be in a gay lifestyle and as a teacher you agree to not be in a gay lifestyle while employed. If that particular school has a strict belief along those lines.

So then a person who wants to be a teacher in a Catholic school is most often a Catholic who can abide by the conditions of employment. We don't really know for sure, in this case, what was said and agreed to at time of employment. I've read differing accounts. But if the usual procedures were followed by the school, then the person being hired needed to decide if she could follow the Catholicity clause or code of conduct before being hired. Which could well mean no gay sex. Maybe the school didn't mind her being gay as long as they could keep it in the closet, so to speak. Which, by the way, would be a pretty dumb thing to do. It's not going to stay there when the partner is pregnant.

Anyway, I would like to know if she signed any kind of Catholicity Clause, because that would end the matter.

BTW, Christian schools of many denominations have such code of conducts. The govenment itself fires people over certain infractions, it's not so unusual.

Edited April 29, 2010 by sharkman

[Guest TrueMetis]

In addition, here's a look at a typical Catholicity clause from a Catholic school board in Alberta:

You'd have a point... if this was Alberta. I'm inclined to think there wasn't such a thing since the principle of the school didn't seem to mind.

Anyway, I would like to know if she signed any kind of Catholicity Clause, because that would end the matter.

Not to me it wouldn't any organization discriminating like this should not receive public funding.

[sharkman]

You'd have a point... if this was Alberta. I'm inclined to think there wasn't such a thing since the principle of the school didn't seem to mind.

Not to me it wouldn't any organization discriminating like this should not receive public funding.

So is it okay with you if schools want to fire child molesters or porn viewers? They are discriminating too. Many businesses won't hire convicts for cashier jobs, how moronic is that, eh?

[sharkman]

How about maybe it's dumb for a person to sign a code of conduct agreement and then not live up to what they freely agreed to. Personally I disagree with the NDP so I would never work for them.

[Guest TrueMetis]

So is it okay with you if schools want to fire child molesters or porn viewers? They are discriminating too. Many businesses won't hire convicts for cashier jobs, how moronic is that, eh?

Did you just compare lesbians to child molesters? What is wrong with you?

Edited April 29, 2010 by TrueMetis

[sharkman]

What is wrong with you, Don't put words in my mouth. I am comparing discrimination you might like vs that which you don't.

Edited April 29, 2010 by sharkman

[Handsome Rob]

Did you just compare lesbians to child molesters? What is wrong with you?

It's the notion that we discriminate every day, in everything we do.

From something like the smartest Realtor in the world, with all of the reg's and methods memorized off the top of his head, not getting hired by the agency because he's 24 and too young to be taken seriously, to crossing the street because you see a future nobel prize winner dressed like tupac with a bulging hip, and you don't want any trouble. A potential employer will discriminate by not hiring you, based on your demeanor and manners. Is that your fault that was what you were raised with?

We all discriminate to one extent or another, and we all pre-judge to one extent or the other, so the interesting thing is which particular discrimination are targeted by the law, gender, religion, sexual orientation and skin color.

If somebody filed discrimination based on age, appearance, demeanor and a thousand other things, they wouldn't get off the ground.

[Guest TrueMetis]

What is wrong with you, Don't put words in my mouth. I am comparing discrimination you might like vs that which you don't.

Because discriminating based on sexual orientation is the same as discriminating based on being a child molester, and having a criminal record.

We all discriminate to one extent or another, and we all pre-judge to one extent or the other,

Speak for yourself. I wait until I've actually spoken to someone, or learned about their opinons to make my opinion about them. Clothes, skin colour, religion, gender, are all irrelevant.

Edited April 29, 2010 by TrueMetis