Who do you want the next president to be?

[punked]

Dr.Paul cured my apathy.

The fact that he is American is irrelevant.

I know, but the amount of them is growing.

Ron Paul is a racist.

There are always more militia when Democrats are in the white house. Fact is the right wing are sore losers, Remember the second largerest terrorist attack in the History of the US was done by a crazy right wing militia member when a Democrat was president.

Edited April 17, 2010 by punked

[bush_cheney2004]

Dr.Paul cured my apathy.

The fact that he is American is irrelevant.

Then how could he cure your apathy? America created your false idol to worship.

I know, but the amount of them is growing.

Good...Canada can sell more guns and ammo!

[Sir Bandelot]

That;s not the point though. Vote for who you dislike the least. I`ve never voted for a politician i liked.

I dislike them all equally...

Actually it's not about the level of dislike. It's about me. I only give unto Caesar that which is Caesars, the taxes they demand to feed their greedy mouths. In fact I wish I could give them so much, they would choke on it. But I won't give them my vote of support.

Ahh such a bitter old man I've become!

[Shady]

That would be for people who are naive enough to believe they have meaningful say in the process.

But the premise that only American citizens get to decide who is elected, or should have an interest in who gets elected is false.

Of course citizens have a say. Just ask the young people who voted for Barack Obama. Or ask the Tea Party members, who've already influenced a few elections, as well as current members of government.

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

Your premise it tired, old, and predictable. Not to mention intellectually lazy. My suggestion, read a little less Noam Chomsky.

[punked]

Of course citizens have a say. Just ask the young people who voted for Barack Obama. Or ask the Tea Party members, who've already influenced a few elections, as well as current members of government.

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

Your premise it tired, old, and predictable. Not to mention intellectually lazy. My suggestion, read a little less Noam Chomsky.

Ryan has already killed his chances at higher office Shady. He wrote a budget which got rid of Medicare and SS. Even the tea party approves of them by 65%. Wont ever happen.

[Sir Bandelot]

Of course citizens have a say. Just ask the young people who voted for Barack Obama. Or ask the Tea Party members, who've already influenced a few elections, as well as current members of government.

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

Your premise it tired, old, and predictable. Not to mention intellectually lazy. My suggestion, read a little less Noam Chomsky.

Thats ok, I used to be like you. Once you get as old and wise as me, then you'll learn whats really important.

Meanwhile, you do what you gotta do, I'll do what I gotta do.

[Topaz]

I like to see a woman president, like the one on "24". Hilary would make a good supreme court judge, not president. I also, would like to see another woman PM.

[Shady]

Ryan has already killed his chances at higher office Shady. He wrote a budget which got rid of Medicare and SS.

Complete nonsense. Ryan is the only responsible public official who talks to people like adults, addressing real problems with real solutions. The rest of them just promise the same old goodies, and the same old rosey scenario, when nothing can be further from the truth. You need to grow up as well.

[punked]

Complete nonsense. Ryan is the only responsible public official who talks to people like adults, addressing real problems with real solutions. The rest of them just promise the same old goodies, and the same old rosey scenario, when nothing can be further from the truth. You need to grow up as well.

Yeah I will do that Shady. I will grow by not living in a fantasy world like you. Ryan is never going to win, his own party wont even go near him since he released that terrible budget they talked about for 6 months. Not only that but the budget which cut Medicare, and SS wasn't even balanced because he cut corporate taxes to 0 and the top income bracket by 10%. The guy got rid of the biggest expenses in the budget which make up half of it and couldn't even balance the books. You got a real winner there.

So you would have a ticket with a guy who raised taxes on Mass and enacted the biggest program in that states history, on a ticket with a guy who hates programs and wants to make taxes 0. Who is living in a fantasy world and needs to grow up again?

Edited April 18, 2010 by punked

[maple_leafs182]

Then how could he cure your apathy? America created your false idol to worship.

I don't worship him. He is just a guy and I tend to agree with his values.

Ron Paul is a racist.

How so.

There are always more militia when Democrats are in the white house. Fact is the right wing are sore losers, Remember the second largerest terrorist attack in the History of the US was done by a crazy right wing militia member when a Democrat was president.

Or you can listen to the militias and ask them why the number is growing. They don't like either of the parties. They know there government and the Fed are corrupt. They're not going away and they are growing in number. It's not just because there is a democrat in office. This is gonna be bigger then hippies protesting in the 60's.

Edited April 18, 2010 by maple_leafs182

[punked]

I don't worship him. He is just a guy and I tend to agree with his values.

How so.

Or you can listen to the militias and ask them why the number is growing. They don't like either of the parties. They know there government and the Fed are corrupt. They're not going away and they are growing in number. It's not just because there is a democrat in office. This is gonna be bigger then hippies protesting in the 60's.

"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"-Paul

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," -Paul

"we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."-Paul

http://web.archive.org/web/20070512114222/http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/aol-metropolitan/96/05/23/paul.html

As for your second point. I again say they were at the same levels during Clintons presidency. They just hate when the left holds the white house. They are a bunch of cry babies.

Edited April 18, 2010 by punked

[Bonam]

"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"-Paul

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," -Paul

"we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."-Paul

None of which are racist statements. The first is a simple result of an opinion poll. The other two refer to the disproportionate crime rates among black males. While such data is banned in Canada, it is collected in the US and is allowed to be discussed.

2008 data: 16277 total murders, 5943 of which were known to committed by blacks (note that the actual number would be higher since about 1/4 of all murders remain unsolved and thus the race of the offender is unknown). Blacks compose 12.4% of the population but commit more than 36.5% of the murders. Thus the per capita murder rate among blacks is at least 3x higher than among the rest of the population. None of this is racist, these are simple numbers.

Edited April 18, 2010 by Bonam

[punked]

None of which are racist statements. The first is a simple result of an opinion poll. The other two refer to the disproportionate crime rates among black males. While such data is banned in Canada, it is collected in the US and is allowed to be discussed.

2008 data: 16277 total murders, 5943 of which were known to committed by blacks (note that the actual number would be higher since about 1/4 of all murders remain unsolved and thus the race of the offender is unknown). Blacks compose 12.4% of the population but commit more than 36.5% of the murders. Thus the per capita murder rate among blacks is at least 3x higher than among the rest of the population. None of this is racist, these are simple numbers.

Yes those things are racist because those facts are made and based on race.

[Bonam]

Yes those things are racist because those facts are made and based on race.

:lol: A hilarious look inside the brainwashed politically correct mind.

Collecting data based on race is not racism, it is statistics.

Edited April 18, 2010 by Bonam

[punked]

:lol: A hilarious look inside the brainwashed PC liberal's mind.

Collecting data based on race is not racism, it is statistics.

Never said it was. Making up statistics like 95% of Black men are criminals IS RACIST. If I were to say 95% of white people hate black people you would call me racist in a second. Even though it is a statistic IT IS A MADE UP STATISTIC to hid the fact I am looking to make a case against an entire race of people.

Saying 95% of black men are criminals is RACIST.

[Bonam]

Saying 95% of black men are criminals is RACIST.

Are you sure it's not sexist instead? After all he is specifically saying it's the males that are the criminals...

Oh and yes obviously making up a number like 95% is stupid, but the stats do show substantially higher crime among blacks than other races.

[punked]

Are you sure it's not sexist instead? After all he is specifically saying it's the males that are the criminals...

Oh and yes obviously making up a number like 95% is stupid, but the stats do show substantially higher crime among blacks than other races.

No where close to 95%.

[Bonam]

No where close to 95%.

So if he had quoted a different number, which actually corresponded to the crime rate among blacks, rather than making up "95%", you would accept him as not racist?

[Guest American Woman]

Are you sure it's not sexist instead? After all he is specifically saying it's the males that are the criminals...

Oh and yes obviously making up a number like 95% is stupid, but the stats do show substantially higher crime among blacks than other races.

Do you believe this isn't racist, either?

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992

Furthermore, making up a number like 95% when it isn't even close is beyond "stupid."

[Bonam]

Do you believe this isn't racist, either?

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992

My opinion is that a 13 year old can certainly be big strong tough and scary in the right circumstances. And not just a black one but of any race, though blacks often do attain a larger physical size earlier in life. However, what matters for culpability is the extent to which an individual is responsible for their actions. I would argue that, contrary to our society's perception of people below the age of 18 as being mindless automata who understand nothing, that a typical 13-16 year old has a very good understanding of what they are doing, especially if what they are doing is setting out to do violence.

[punked]

So if he had quoted a different number, which actually corresponded to the crime rate among blacks, rather than making up "95%", you would accept him as not racist?

If he didn't make a number up and was quoting another source it would be a lot less racist.

[Guest American Woman]

My opinion is that a 13 year old can certainly be big strong tough and scary in the right circumstances. And not just a black one but of any race, ....

Exactly. Any race. And there are white gangs, Hispanic gangs, Asian gangs, and on it goes. Joining gangs and being raised on the streets are not limited to Blacks by any means. So why did he single out Blacks? Furthermore, any one who has worked out and carries a gun/weapon and is backed by a number of gang members is just as lethal/scary/tough as the next and most definitely just "as culpable" as the next.

So you didn't answer my question; do you think that's a racist attitude, to single only Black youths out?

Edited April 18, 2010 by American Woman

[Bonam]

If he didn't make a number up and was quoting another source it would be a lot less racist.

So then, in your eyes, someone can be a racist simply because they once used an incorrect number in a speech?

[Bonam]

So you didn't answer my question; do you think that's a racist attitude, to single only Black youths out?

But he didn't. He didn't say only black 13 year olds must be tried as adults while gang members of all other races must be tried as minors. Rather, he simply used it as an example.

It certainly ain't PC, but it isn't particularly racist either.

[Guest American Woman]

But he didn't. He didn't say only black 13 year olds must be tried as adults while gang members of all other races must be tried as minors. Rather, he simply used it as an example.

It certainly ain't PC, but it isn't particularly racist either.

Because he didn't say only black youths must be tried as adults it's not racist??

I don't believe I've ever heard any racist use the word "only" in their rants about Blacks. Have you?

Of course it's a racist attitude to single Blacks out that way.