Anne Coulter comes to Canada

[nicky10013]

Still...who got to speak...and who did not get to speak? DUH!

Ahahah, we've been over this. She cancelled her own damned event. No one prevented her from making the speech.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ahahah, we've been over this. She cancelled her own damned event. No one prevented her from making the speech.

Wrong.....the combination of A-Houle's actions and venue security assessment (besides Coulter) were directly related to the speech not going forward. There is ample evidence that her speech was permitted at other Canadian campuses.

[nicky10013]

Wrong.....the combination of A-Houle's actions and venue security assessment (besides Coulter) were directly related to the speech not going forward. There is ample evidence that her speech was permitted at other Canadian campuses.

If that was the case we would've seen evidence of it. We haven't. Sorry. Keep trying to deflect.

[Guest American Woman]

The organizers of the event cancelled. The police suggested they move it to a larger venue as there wasn't room for the number of people hoping to enter, but the police and/or university didn't cancel. The cancellation had nothing to do with violence or the desire to stifle Coulter's speech, in spite of some people's attempts to claim otherwise.

[Sir Bandelot]

Is this thread not dead yet?

Achh, and I forgot me boots...

Look, she spoke in London, a bunch of hecklers shut her down in Ottawa, and she subsequently spoke in Calgary. No big deal. No government stepped in and said, she's not allowed in Canada.

So now you can all relax your sphincters, and lets move on...

[bush_cheney2004]

If that was the case we would've seen evidence of it. We haven't. Sorry. Keep trying to deflect.

We don't need additional evidence...the outcomes at three different campuses are enough. A-Houle and the UofO came off as the "sphincters".

[BubberMiley]

Yes, how dare they request good manners beforehand. They should know that conservatives despise good manners above all else.

[nicky10013]

We don't need additional evidence...the outcomes at three different campuses are enough. A-Houle and the UofO came off as the "sphincters".

Yes, because she didn't cancel them like she did at U of O.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, how dare they request good manners beforehand. They should know that conservatives despise good manners above all else.

Just more of the same noise.....did she or did she not get to speak? As for "bad manners", conservatives certainly have not cornered that market. "Damn Americans...I hate those bastards!"

[jbg]

We don't need additional evidence...the outcomes at three different campuses are enough. A-Houle and the UofO came off as the "sphincters".

I couldn't make this up. Here's the link to Houle Manure Handling & Equipment Sales.

Edited March 29, 2010 by jbg

[bush_cheney2004]

I couldn't make this up. Here's the link to Houle Manure Handling & Equipment Sales.

Ha! That's rich...I like the "Manure Pumps and Agitators" section!

[capricorn]

A little late, but a tiny bit of digging found that Ellen Ocran – the psycho-looking spaz from all the Ann Coulter protest pics in Ottawa – is on the government payroll!

Countless news stories last week referred to her as a concerned University of Ottawa student. A simple GEDS search however reveals that she works for Pat Martin – NDP member for Winnipeg Centre!

http://takebackyourschool.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/ellen-ocran-busted/

[Smallc]

I don't see the problem...and it wouldn't matter which party it was.

[Argus]

I don't see the problem...and it wouldn't matter which party it was.

I disagree. As the cite says, if it was a Tory party staffer out there screaming at a notorious anti-abortion rally you can damn sure bet it would make the headlines in every paper in Canada.

[Smallc]

I meant that it wouldn't matter to me.

[Shakeyhands]

I disagree. As the cite says, if it was a Tory party staffer out there screaming at a notorious anti-abortion rally you can damn sure bet it would make the headlines in every paper in Canada.

I disagree... I'd expect that there would not only be "Tory" (not sure why the CPC gets to carry on that name) staffers at a rally but even MP's.

[kimmy]

It's very interesting that the linked articles refer to her as "University of Ottawa student Ellen Ocran". I wonder if she represented herself to be a student, or if the writers just assumed.

Regardless, the protest was after her work hours (nobody in Ottawa is at work past 4pm, right?) so aside from the possibility that she misrepresented herself as being a student, I don't see anything big here. I'm not surprised at all that an NDPer would be at something like this.

-k

[Shady]

Yes, how dare they request good manners beforehand.

So-called "good manners" isn't a prerequisite to speak. Should they also request good personal hygiene? How about punctuality? Should that be requested as well? Or wait, a pleasant demeanor too!

You're clueless.

Oh, and please let us know if they requested "good manners" from the anti-Israeli speaker, and Black Panther speaker from the previous weeks and month.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Shady

[Guest American Woman]

Quote

A little late, but a tiny bit of digging found that Ellen Ocran – the psycho-looking spaz from all the Ann Coulter protest pics in Ottawa – is on the government payroll!

Countless news stories last week referred to her as a concerned University of Ottawa student. A simple GEDS search however reveals that she works for Pat Martin – NDP member for Winnipeg Centre!

http://takebackyourschool.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/ellen-ocran-busted/

From what I've read, she's also a University of Ottawa student, and she was there as a student.

Edited April 2, 2010 by American Woman

[capricorn]

It's very interesting that the linked articles refer to her as "University of Ottawa student Ellen Ocran". I wonder if she represented herself to be a student, or if the writers just assumed.

With little effort, examples of deception by political parties and their supporters are easy to find.

So it comes as no surprise the federal Liberal One Leader television advertisement features a young mother, whose child is being wooed by Paul Martin. Equally not surprising, though, is the fact that mother is none other than University of Victoria Young Liberal mafia alumna Jennifer Schlotter, former special assistant to Vancouver Centre Grit backbencher Hedy Fry and the wife of Farris, Vaughan, Wills and Murphy partner James Hatton. Mr. Hatton was appointed last May to the National Research Council.

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/001150.html

It's rather amusing when they get outed.

[kimmy]

I wasn't going to "bump" this thread to address some of the earlier comments that I didn't get to respond to. But since it's already bumped, why not.

I wanted to react to this little exchange where Nicky asked how what Francois Houle's letter is any different from what the president of Columbia U said in regards to Makmood:

How is his warning any different than the caveat placed on bringing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Columbia by their president? I remember it well. Unlike in this situation, the headline, especially in the US was "free speech gone too far?" These debates often go by not on truth but by who can scream the loudest and the right usually has that distinction. Surprise surprise, it was the right wing in the US that decried this as human rights run amok.

I don't actually recall specifically what Columbia's president told Makmood, other than that he holds his views to be reprehensible. If there was more to it than that, perhaps you could draw attention to parts you feel particularly relevant.

(...)

Did Columbia's president say that he thinks Makmood is an idiot and an asshole, or did he say that he'd be watching for ways to sic the cops on Makmood based on the content of his speech? Because to me there's a pretty substantial difference, though one that may be lost on some people.

...and here's the reply.

Of course Columbia's president didn't say he would be watching Ahmadinejad's speech for "ways to sic the cops on him" (and Houle didn't say that, either); there's a pretty substantial difference between American and Canadian laws, which is what Houle was telling Coulter. Though that may be lost on some people.

Bingo.

Bingo?

With AW's help we've unearthed a rather substantial difference between Houle and the president of Columbia U: one guy said he things the impending speaker is a moron, and the other guy warned the impending speaker to watch what she says or she could get arrested. That's the difference between what happened at U of O and what happened at Columbia, Nicky.

What about this talk of a "caveat" placed on Makmood, Nicky? What caveat? You said there was one, I've never heard of it, you failed to provide evidence of it, so what the hell were you talking about there? We're all aware of the "caveat" Houle placed on Coulter's speech. Where's the analog in regard to Makmood's speech at Columbia?

Now, as for the suggestion that Houle was simply providing her with friendly advice... come on.

There's only three possible explanations for that claim:

1) you think I'm stupid enough to believe it.

2) you're stupid enough to believe it.

3) you think Francois Houle is stupid enough to believe she might not have been aware of the laws.

I'm sure points one and two are highly debatable, but pretty clearly point three is ridiculous. One doesn't become the VP Academic of a major university by being that stupid.

She was touring with Ezra Levant, who of all people knows Canada's hate speech laws intimately, and the speeches were promoted as being about "Political correctness, Media Bias, and Free Speech."

You really think Francois Houle believed she needed to be told about the laws, or that the letter was sent in a spirit of good-natured advice?

Come on. He sent the letter to put her on notice.

-k

[Guest American Woman]

With little effort, examples of deception by political parties and their supporters are easy to find.

What deception by political parties? She's also a student of the University of Ottawa, and she was there as a student. You're making a huge leap to think she was there representing the NDP. Do you think every view a government worker has, every action they take in their private life, is representative of the party? Of course not. Just because she's an NDP assistant doesn't mean she was representing the party or anyone in the party, and to ascribe "deception" to the party is unfounded.

[Guest American Woman]

You really think Francois Houle believed she needed to be told about the laws, or that the letter was sent in a spirit of good-natured advice?

Come on. He sent the letter to put her on notice.

Maybe, to quote Ezra Levant, "[he] just [doesn't] think that Canada needs to be open to any dime-store bigot from around the world."

Edited April 2, 2010 by American Woman

[kimmy]

Maybe, to quote Ezra Levant, "[he] just [doesn't] think that Canada needs to be open to any dime-store bigot from around the world."

And if he was expressing that view as Francois Houle, guy on the street, that's a perfectly legitimate opinion.

Since he clearly sent the letter in his capacity as a senior representative of the school, I'm not sure it's appropriate. We still haven't heard whether he sent similar warnings to other potentially controversial speakers who have attended.

-k

[Shady]

Since he clearly sent the letter in his capacity as a senior representative of the school, I'm not sure it's appropriate. We still haven't heard whether he sent similar warnings to other potentially controversial speakers who have attended.

-k

You're right. Probably because he hasn't sent any similar letters to former controverisal speakers. Only Ann Coulter.