CP Learns that CSIS interrogated tortured Afghan Detainees

[nicky10013]

Redacted documents were released.

Did you actually see them. They were entirely blacked out. MPs in parliament have the the security clearance to see the documents. Why not take them into a room and say here they are. Take an hour, read them? Probably because there's a lot of stuff in there that makes our current and past government look really bad.

Could there be nothing in there? Sure and we'd all eat crow. It would be the best scenario and one I'm frankly hoping for. It would mean that parliament is respected and would avoid a huge embarassment for our country and for our government. If it was that easy, though. It would've already been done.

Edited March 9, 2010 by nicky10013

[nicky10013]

Go and read the books I suggested, they are enlightening. Knoweledge will set you free. Had I not started reading history instead of taking high school teachers and professors word on it I would still be a liberal.

You know, in order to get a degree you actually have to read and show an independent thought. You have to take your own arguments and impress. You just don't spit back at your professor what he thinks he wants to hear. That's grounds for failure.

[Alta4ever]

You know, in order to get a degree you actually have to read and show an independent thought. You have to take your own arguments and impress. You just don't spit back at your professor what he thinks he wants to hear. That's grounds for failure.

Right and I'm sure that your professor is lecturing you on the significance of Sir Arthur Currie to Canada, or the role that IBM played in the Holocaust. Its not required reading so you just get the glossed over history and only really need to learn what the prof thinks is important.

[nicky10013]

Right and I'm sure that your professor is lecturing you on the significance of Sir Arthur Currie to Canada, or the role that IBM played in the Holocaust. Its not required reading so you just get the glossed over history and only really need to learn what the prof thinks is important.

Depends on what you specialize in. You specialize in the holocause you'll learn about IBM. If you speicialize in Canadian Studies, you'll learn about Arthur Currie. No one can learn about the history of everything in school. Just give a better idea of the trends and major ideas that came out of certain periods. The ideas and trends surrounding certain periods of history are far more important than the actual events.

[Mr.Canada]

When will you stop making baseless accusations?

If an incident took place provide us with some form of evidence.

When you cannot then you must admit you're wrong or just stop blaming people altogether.

No evidence to back up what you claim = misinformation which = gossip.

[Alta4ever]

Depends on what you specialize in. You specialize in the holocause you'll learn about IBM. If you speicialize in Canadian Studies, you'll learn about Arthur Currie. No one can learn about the history of everything in school. Just give a better idea of the trends and major ideas that came out of certain periods. The ideas and trends surrounding certain periods of history are far more important than the actual events.

And yet the core material is decided upon by your prof.

I have yet to meet anyone who knows how IBM`s technology aided the Nazi`s.

[groupeii]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/afghanmission/article/776514--csis-secretly-interrogated-afghan-prisoners

suprise suprise, Harper and his governments a bunch of war criminals

If Somalia is any indication of "interrogation" by the Canadian Forces and CSIS we know very well there were both human rights abuses and war crimes committed. That is the only real reason harper has gagged this issue, cause he is due for a court hearing the Netherlands real soon. Could this be the reason for the Dutch pull out a hard pill for them to swallow suppose to be trying to try war criminals but NATO and their member nations are all war criminals? US CIA used torture CHECK, Canadian military and CSIS used torture CHECK, what other countries?

Edited March 9, 2010 by groupeii

[Alta4ever]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/afghanmission/article/776514--csis-secretly-interrogated-afghan-prisoners

suprise suprise, Harper and his governments a bunch of war criminals

If Somalia is any indication of "interrogation" by the Canadian Forces and CSIS we know very well there were both human rights abuses and war crimes committed. That is the only real reason harper has gagged this issue, cause he is due for a court hearing the Netherlands real soon. Could this be the reason for the Dutch pull out a hard pill for them to swallow suppose to be trying to try war criminals but NATO and their member nations are all war criminals? US CIA used torture CHECK, Canadian military and CSIS used torture CHECK, what other countries?

Your link says nothing of what you assert.

Your post is garbage.

[eyeball]

Why have the left started calling them "detainees"? Call them what they are, POW's.

I'm pretty certain Morris is convinced you're a complete idiot so it's very curious why he hasn't set you straight on this point.

You really are oblivious as to why they are called detainees and not prisoners of war? That's quite incredible really.

Why do you think Morris argues night and day that Omar Khadr isn't a prisoner of war? Do you realize just how damning and damaging it would be to the case that you and Morris are making here today if the government called them POW's?

Edited March 9, 2010 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

I'm pretty certain Morris is convinced you're a complete idiot so it's very curious why he hasn't set you straight on this point.

Because this is the first I have seen it....and you are correct on the 1st point.

[Argus]

Actually we place more value on upholding Canadian principles than you do.

Your lack of realistic expectatins has been noted in the past.

Oh if only those soldieres crawling through the dirt and being shot at could be as noble and self-sacrificing as you!

Oh wait, you're actually not sacrificing anything.

[Argus]

I've heard it and I'm actually starting to see a little heat coming up from under a few collars too.

Yeah? Any of them belong to grown-ups who pay taxes?

I can hardly wait until the government starts getting on with its plan to buff up Canada's cenotaph's.

That's why we have tasers and nightsticks. In case the vermin get out of line.

[Argus]

Excuse me, I must've been thinking of Iraq, as if they're any more moderate than the Taliban. Either way, you just made a statement "as per usual" with the Taliban. You've just proved that there was only one other capture of an American in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Not exactly usual. Try again.

What the hell are you trying to argue this point for? Are you going to deny that anyone taken captive by the Taliban is treated humanely? From all accounts they wind up tortured and murdered. Is there a purpose for you to try to defend the honor of the Taliban?

[Argus]

But but but...it still sounds pathetic.

What's pathetic is that the party which sent us to Afghanistan, which involved us in the heavy fighting in the south, and which set up the rules for prisoner transfers, is the one self-righteously condemning the tories for all of it.

And the brainless sheep go all goggle eyed and leap to support them.

[Argus]

Yes, the alternatives could be instead of handing them over to the Afghans who we KNOW torture, or we could detain them ourselves. Easy solution. You've got a better one?

This is why no one takes the Left seriously. The come up with simplisticly stupid solutions to problems they invent.

They talk about respecting the soveriengty of other nations, yet they want us to hold Afghanis as our prisoners, even though we took them prisoner in Afghanistan. They want us to refuse to hand over these Afghani prisoners to their own goverment, even if that government demands it.

And then they want us to build prisoners, divert hundreds of soliders, and presumably welfare agency workers, to looking after the Afghan prisoners. They will, of course, expect them to be held in conditions similar to that of Canadian prisoners - except that every prisoner who so much as falls and skins his knee will draw howls of condemnation and a demand for a royal inquiry, and that every allegation made of mistreatment or abuse will try screams and shrieks of horror from the opposition in the commons and their cadre of bleeding heart leftist airheads.

And when we leave, what then? What's the point of keeping them prisoners if we're just going to hand them back when we leave? Oh let me guess, we bring them back to Canada! And, of course, you can't keep such people indefinitely. That wouldn't be humane! So they'll all have to be released and given refugee status! Nice thinking, genius.

[Argus]

No I think it's Canada's place to stay home and mind it's own Goddamn business.

Until planes start flying into our office towers. Then you'll wonder why a huge, festering hole of terrorism was allows to exist without someone doing something about it.

A number of Canadians were murdered on 911, you know.

[eyeball]

Because this is the first I have seen it....and you are correct on the 1st point.

And...

[Argus]

I know, by right's this should be an outright revolution and purge of the moral ambivalence that's infected the entire federal government.

Except the people who pay taxes seem to like it this way. You know - grown-ups.

You'll be one some day - possibly. You just need to - grow up. A lot.

[DrGreenthumb]

What's pathetic is that the party which sent us to Afghanistan, which involved us in the heavy fighting in the south, and which set up the rules for prisoner transfers, is the one self-righteously condemning the tories for all of it.

And the brainless sheep go all goggle eyed and leap to support them.

No this is about Conservatives knowing about torture and not doing anything about it. It's actually worse than that even, its now alleged that prisoners were turned over for the express purpose of torture. If you support that you are just as bad as the taliban. I feel even more justified now in refering to the Conservative party as the Christian Taliban.

[Argus]

retaliated against what, the US helping the afgans in the 80's? Us sending peace keepers to Bosnia, or was it Somalia? The retaking of Kuwate?

As I understand it, Bin Laden was outraged that there were infidels allowed to set foot on the holy soil of Saudi Arabia. Some were even (spit) women! The fact they were invited was of no importance. Their mere existence offended him, and that was the driving force of his instigation of terrorist activity against them.

[Argus]

How about US troops being stationed in Saudi Arabia? The plundering of oil wealth in the middle east? The support for Israel?

Plundering oil wealth? Seems to me if anyone is plundering oil wealth it is the Muslim governments which control most of the oil. And we get to support a democratic state surrounded by hostile dictatorships. That's what democratic states do - support one another. As for being in Saudi Arabia - it's interesting you suggest that bin laden's religious fanaticism and extreme hatred of "infidels" and his outrage they were permitted to set foot on Saudi soil should have been respected. Should we operate like that everywhere? I mean, if a government asks us to help in some capacity, but some group of religious wackos somewhere is outraged should we say no?

[Argus]

If you can't understand what I said, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

This isn't a "liberal witch hunt." This is not only about what we're doing in Afghanistan but what our parliament means to us. There's no real doubt about what actually happened.

LOL. No doubt at all. There's no actual evidence of what happened. But the allegations are enough for you to dismiss any and all doubts, eh?

Jesus, go play a video game or something. This sort of thing is way too intellectually challenging for you.

[Mr.Canada]

No this is about Conservatives knowing about torture and not doing anything about it. It's actually worse than that even, its now alleged that prisoners were turned over for the express purpose of torture. If you support that you are just as bad as the taliban. I feel even more justified now in refering to the Conservative party as the Christian Taliban.

Of coarse you can prove this. I'll wait for you to post the proof otherwise this is just gossip and should be filed as such.

[Argus]

Well yeah, those Muslims that were in charge of some really really shitty governments, the kind of governments we usually go to war against, not for.

Those shitty governments have oil we need. Is there an alternative? Let those nations collapse into anarchy? Let some other shitty government take over which is so hostile towards us it refuses to even sell us oil? because there are no democratic movements of any strength in any of those countries. The opposition movements which have strength are all Islamist, and their demands for society do not include increased freedom for the people. On the contrary, they believe that their societies are far too liberal, and that there needs to be a severe crack-down.

Did Iran get more liberal, get more human rights, when the Shah was overthrown?

[Argus]

Nope. I'm advocating that we stay the f&*k out of it and let nature take it's course. Why should be obvious enough.

Until oil hits $8 a litre, and Canadians are freezing to death in their cold, dark homes while religious maniacs rule through a reign of terror throughout the middle east.

Then you'll be like "hey, we should do something!"