I'll be at the Gay Pride Parade 2010!

[Oleg Bach]

Yes..I'll bet it was your personal efforts that stopped this injustice....

Oleg said he's help you with the filming of the gay street porn you are "documenting"...

I've enjoyed these little chats....

WEBER! i did not say that - it was you who has interested in this type of documentation - besides - you look great in leather shorts with the but cut out.

[kimmy]

Do you ever wonder what's going through the "Homo's for Hamas" gang of prideful fun's heads (excuse the pun)...

If they actually went to Riyadh,got off the plane,proceeded downtown,and then,proceeded to chant...

"WE'RE QUEER...WE'RE HERE...GET USED TO IT!!!!"...

How long would it take before they were summarily executed?

For sure. What's going through their heads? I imagine something along the lines of "those poor people are oppressed... just like us! We should join forces and Fight The Man together!"

-k

[Jack Weber]

WEBER! i did not say that - it was you who has interested in this type of documentation - besides - you look great in leather shorts with the but cut out.

Closet queen!!!!

[kimmy]

WEBER! i did not say that - it was you who has interested in this type of documentation - besides - you look great in leather shorts with the but cut out.

For some reason I am now picturing Oleg as Sergeant Schultz.

"VEBBAH! I did not SAY ZAT!"

"Sure, Sarge, but y'know, when Colonel Klink hears there were buttless lederhosen at the parade, he's going to want to see a film of it..."

"Vat? Vhy?"

"So he can arrest the guys wearing them! Why, if somebody gave him a film of the buttless lederhosen, there could be a commendation! Maybe a medal!"

"Good sinking, Vebbah! I vill get ze camara right avay!"

-k

[Jack Weber]

For some reason I am now picturing Oleg as Sergeant Schultz.

"VEBBAH! I did not SAY ZAT!"

"Sure, Sarge, but y'know, when Colonel Klink hears there were buttless lederhosen at the parade, he's going to want to see a film of it..."

"Vat? Vhy?"

"So he can arrest the guys wearing them! Why, if somebody gave him a film of the buttless lederhosen, there could be a commendation! Maybe a medal!"

"Good sinking, Vebbah! I vill get ze camara right avay!"

-k

Call General Berkhalter at once!!!!

By the way....

Mr.Canada...The countdown is on!!!!

[WIP]

Do you ever wonder what's going through the "Homo's for Hamas" gang of prideful fun's heads (excuse the pun)...

If they actually went to Riyadh,got off the plane,proceeded downtown,and then,proceeded to chant...

"WE'RE QUEER...WE'RE HERE...GET USED TO IT!!!!"...

How long would it take before they were summarily executed?

All right, that's enough! I'm going to start puking my guts out if you guys don't knock it off with this bullshit about 'what a wonderful democracy Israel is!'

First of all, it's an apartheid state -- any way you cut it, you can't have a true democracy with a large disenfranchised population. Didn't work for South Africa, doesn't work for Israel either.

Next: just being Jewish, does not mean you are accepted as an Israeli. For example, there have been problems for years as the European Jewish population has had to deal with the increasing Sephardic Jews, but the tiny Ethiopian Jewish population has never been accepted as "real Jews", and many today live in grinding poverty separated from the white Jewish population: Jim Crow, Israel-Style

Speaking of the Sephardics, About Atheism blogger Austin Cline featured this story recently about large demonstrations (over 100,000 in Jerusalem alone) protesting a Supreme Court decision demanding school integration:

"If this is how they treat fellow Jews who are simply a little bit different from them in terms of ethnic heritage and skin color, it's no wonder that they treat the Palestinians so badly. They don't seem able to like, tolerate, or just treat with a little bit of civility anyone who fails to conform to extremely narrow prejudices. How does anyone manage to conform enough to not be publicly whipped and then exiled?

This is yet another in a long line of conflicts between ultra-Orthodox Jews and the state. Israeli politicians constantly bend over backwards (or forwards?) to not just accommodate the ultra-Orthodox, but even to privilege them and force other Israeli citizens to conform to ultra-Orthodox expectations. Sometimes, though, they can't bend over enough -- there's just enough independence in the judiciary, for example, to produce conflicts like this.

What will the Israeli government do? Will they take steps to invalidate the Supreme Court decision and thereby help the ultra-Orthodox preserve their racist system of segregation? If so, it will be one more nail in the coffin of Israel as a secular, democratic state. The more the ultra-Orthodox win, the more theocratic, authoritarian, and illiberal Israel becomes -- and it's already doing badly. How much further does it have to go before they drop all pretense and just come out of the closet as a Jewish version of Saudi Arabia? "

And finally, as for how much better gays are treated in Israel compared to Saudi Arabia....it may be not quite as bad, but Jerusalem or Tel Aviv sure as hell aren't Toronto! Gay vs. Orthodox: A Deadly Turn in Israel's Culture War?

Israeli police launched a citywide manhunt through Tel Aviv for the masked, black-clad gunman who opened fire with a pistol at a gay youth club on Saturday night, Aug. 1, killing two and wounding 15 more. While the authorities have been careful not to speculate on a motive for the crime, the city's stunned gay community was not hesitant about assigning blame for the atmosphere they believe was conducive to the crime. Pointing to Orthodox Jewish gay-bashers, gay activists say the shots fired in the club for teenagers — the most serious in a series of verbal and physical attacks on their community — were a violent manifestation of Israel's ongoing culture war. The attack spotlights the tensions within Israeli society as it tries to balance Western liberalism and Orthodox Jewish values

It doesn't look like they're doing much of a balancing act when the country becomes increasingly theocratic outside of the secular cosmopolitan enclave of Tel Aviv.

As for this issue of whether the ban on a group calling itself "Queers Against Israeli Apartheid" should have been lifted.....the downside of having them in the parade is that it will increase the politicization of the event. Previously, Gay Pride organizers have tried to steer clear of issues that would divide their community, so whether it's justified or not, the decision to include them, is going to cause division over an issue that isn't in any way related to the gay rights cause.

Finally, isn't the $250,000 grant from the City of Toronto, a drop in the bucket compared to the millions in revenues brought into the city for the event? Especially after last weeks G20 fiasco, Toronto has a chance to make up for some of their losses the previous weekend. If George Mamolitti gets his way and has the grant cancelled, the money will hardly be missed by the organizers. For years they had the parade with little or no support from the City, so if the money is cut, they will still carry on without it.

[Mr.Canada]

So since the event brings in money having a racist group as part of the parade is ok?

Would a group called "Queers against black crime" be acceptable?

[Mr.Canada]

Kudos to "Homos For Hamas" for standing up for free speech.

-k

If they're allowed to march then why wasn't Zundel allowed to? They both say the same things. So straight white guy saying that Israel is an apartheid state isn't ok and he gets his house firebombed but homosexuals say it and they're given the key to the city?

Outrageous.

[M.Dancer]

All right, that's enough! I'm going to start puking my guts out if you guys don't knock it off with this bullshit about 'what a wonderful democracy Israel is!'

First of all, it's an apartheid state -- any way you cut it, you can't have a true democracy with a large disenfranchised population. Didn't work for South Africa, doesn't work for Israel either

Is this your Libby Davies moment?

Every citizen of israel has enfranchisement...

[Jack Weber]

So since the event brings in money having a racist group as part of the parade is ok?

Would a group called "Queers against black crime" be acceptable?

Or Fascists for safe gay sex?

[Mr.Canada]

Or Fascists for safe gay sex?

Exactly. It wouldn't be acceptable at all but somehow the homosexuals get special treatment as usual.

[Jack Weber]

Exactly. It wouldn't be acceptable at all but somehow the homosexuals get special treatment as usual.

At least you admit your a Fascist...I guess we can dispense with the "Right Wing Populist" crap...Don't get any splinters wrapping thoses axes in sticks...

Got the film crew ready?

Got the face screens ready to protect yourself from the flying ejaculate?

Got the Merry Widow and 6" stilletto's ready so you can "blend in"?

He's a Black Shirt with a Rainbow heart,folks...Ernst Rohm lives!!!!!

Edited July 1, 2010 by Jack Weber

[WIP]

Is this your Libby Davies moment?

Every citizen of israel has enfranchisement...

First of all, how many non-citizens are living in Israel? Israel seems to have a substantial illegal immigration problem...just like every country that wants keep wages down and erode union organizing. This Time article tells the story about several thousand who live mainly in the area around Tel Aviv, and have been arriving since Israel's other source of cheap labour -- the Palestinian day workers have been shut out since the 2nd Intifada. Somebody has to do menial jobs for low wages, and it seems that migrants from the Far East are filling in for the Palestinians.

As for Israel's Arab citizens -- whether you feel the restrictions are justified or unjustified, there is no argument against the fact that Israel's Arabs have had their personal rights chipped away ever since independence, when they were guaranteed full and equal rights of citizenship. Besides travel, work and education restrictions,Non-Jewish citizens are barred from owning 93% of the land, which is reserved for Jews, both foreign and domestic. Full equality of citizenship cannot be resolved in a state that is designed for one specific religion and ethnicity. And the strategy that Ariel Sharon started, of unilaterally expanding Israel's borders into the West Bank,creates more 2nd class citizens on the other side of 20 foot walls that divide neighbourhoods. West Bank residents must maintain Israeli Defense Force-issued permits, or face deportation....exactly where, I'm not sure!

Over the decades, there was an attempt to portray Israel as fully democratic, but the other requirement -- to maintain Israel as a Jewish state, and a home for all Jews of the Diaspora, inevitably means that the rights of Israel's non-Jews have to yield to the primary objective. The reason why things have gotten so ugly over the last 30 years is that the majority have resolved that eternal war, Arab hostility, and international isolation, are the price to be payed to preserve a Jewish state.

So, whether or not you feel that Israel has no choice other than restricting Arabs and driving them off more land, the Apartheid analogy is valid. South Africa's Apartheid policies were created based on the argument that the whites wouldn't survive if full equality was granted to blacks; likewise you can be damn sure that Israel will continue to erode the status of Palestinians as they carve out more and more territory on the West Bank. As Israel expands its borders, full equality becomes an even more remote possibility.

[M.Dancer]

First of all, how many non-citizens are living in Israel?

who cares....do you know of many nations that give non citizens the vote?

Besides travel, work and education restrictions,Non-Jewish citizens are barred from owning 93% of the land, which is reserved for Jews, both foreign and domestic.

Another Libby Moment. They aren't banned from owning 93% OF THE LAND OF iSRAEL...but land owned by the government of Israel. Private property can be bought and sold by anyone. This is in stark contrast to elsewhere in the mid east, especially the west bank where selling land to a Jew (even a canadian jew) is punishable by death....funny, I have yet to hear anyone cackle that Palestine is an apartheid state, when clearly it is...

...as you were libby...

[WIP]

who cares....do you know of many nations that give non citizens the vote?

Another Libby Moment. They aren't banned from owning 93% OF THE LAND OF iSRAEL...but land owned by the government of Israel. Private property can be bought and sold by anyone. This is in stark contrast to elsewhere in the mid east, especially the west bank where selling land to a Jew (even a canadian jew) is punishable by death....funny, I have yet to hear anyone cackle that Palestine is an apartheid state, when clearly it is...

Did you even read that article? Probably not! The crucial point is that unlike most countries which make no distinction between citizenship and nationality, Israel does! Arabs can be Israeli citizens, but they still remain Arab nationals, and as such are not entitled to arrangements for land purchase that are available to Jews.

Here, the Wikipedia page explains the basic setup of the Israel Land Administration:

The Israel Land Administration (ILA), (Hebrew: מנהל מקרקעי ישראל‎; Arabic: مديرية أراضي اسرائيل‎) is part of the government of Israel responsible for managing the 93% of the land in Israel which is in the public domain. These lands are either property of the state, belong to the Jewish National Fund(JNF) which controls 13% of the land.[1], or belong to the Israel Development Authority.

Land can't be sold to foreign nationals, and Israeli Arabs are also effectively prevented from owning:

"Since the foundation of the state, the Israel Lands Administration is solely used as Jewish land administration. The director of the Israel Lands Administration has used all the tactics, with the help of the Jewish Agency, to allocate state land only to Jews. Despite the bitter attempt over the decades, not even one Arab town has been established since the state's foundation. Therefore a bill must be passed which stipulates that the Israel Lands Administration will serve all the state's citizens without discrimination on religion or nationality, and will promise an equal allocation of land to better the Arab population of Israel." http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-rejects-bill-allocating-equal-land-to-jews-and-arabs-1.260703

...as you were libby...

I didn't even know what you were referring to until I looked up this flap about Libby Davies answering an impromptu interviewer with a comment that the Occupation began in 1948. And even though she is on record supporting Israel's right to exist and the NDP's support of the two state policy, Spineless Jack tossed her overboard to get back on the good side of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

[M.Dancer]

And even though she is on record supporting Israel's right to exist and the NDP's support of the two state policy, Spineless Jack tossed her overboard to get back on the good side of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

She was tossed overboard? You mean she is no longer deputy leader? I missed that....

...on record for supporting israel's right to exist...se if you can find that....prior to her dressing down.

Never the less....why pick out Israel, which allows private porperty to be sold to anyone when her neighbours have the death penalty on the books for selling private property to Jews?

Double standard?

[GostHacked]

This whole thread is now officially beyond gay.

[bloodyminded]

This whole thread is now officially beyond gay.

Well done!

[Oleg Bach]

Never thought that I would get this old - with age has come a certain change in my personality - I have great difficulty in gathering up the strength or muster the useless mindset called TOLERANCE- I don't want to tolerate anything I don't really like anymore - simply tired of it --- honestly what person in their true real and honest mind wants to like or tolerate debached creeps? I don't - I hope that this event and all of it's foolish, vacarious and conditioned supporters all go up in a puff of smoke and disappear...perhaps some mystic event will take place and these bottom feeding creepers will return to the demented dimension they leaked from..

.I simply don't really like these worms...does that make me a horrible person - in the fact that I do not approve of fake human beings that are male mimicing the opposite sex? It is simply tiresome and a vision of glorified dishonesty being celebrated here - what was once a hidden shame is now something to be proud of...I just don't get it and don't want to get it and really don't want to use the last of my human strength, to be TOLERANT... To hell with creeps in all forms. as for those interested in creeping things and low life exhaulted to some great height of acceptance...go ahead and enjoy the social rot.

[bloodyminded]

Never thought that I would get this old - with age has come a certain change in my personality - I have great difficulty in gathering up the strength or muster the useless mindset called TOLERANCE- I don't want to tolerate anything I don't really like anymore - simply tired of it --- honestly what person in their true real and honest mind wants to like or tolerate debached creeps? I don't - I hope that this event and all of it's foolish, vacarious and conditioned supporters all go up in a puff of smoke and disappear...perhaps some mystic event will take place and these bottom feeding creepers will return to the demented dimension they leaked from..

.I simply don't really like these worms...does that make me a horrible person - in the fact that I do not approve of fake human beings that are male mimicing the opposite sex? It is simply tiresome and a vision of glorified dishonesty being celebrated here - what was once a hidden shame is now something to be proud of...I just don't get it and don't want to get it and really don't want to use the last of my human strength, to be TOLERANT... To hell with creeps in all forms. as for those interested in creeping things and low life exhaulted to some great height of acceptance...go ahead and enjoy the social rot.

Thank you. We will enjoy it tremendously.

[WIP]

Never the less....why pick out Israel, which allows private porperty to be sold to anyone when her neighbours have the death penalty on the books for selling private property to Jews?

Double standard?

I just posted enough articles to show that private property cannot be sold to "anyone" to bother with a response. The Palestinians react violently over a lot of things, so I don't find it at all surprising that they would threaten death to anyone who sells their property to Jews. Remember, once a Jew has purchased Arab land, it remains Jewish forever. It comes under the authority of the Israel Land Administration, and cannot be sold back to Arabs ever again.

[Jack Weber]

Never thought that I would get this old - with age has come a certain change in my personality - I have great difficulty in gathering up the strength or muster the useless mindset called TOLERANCE- I don't want to tolerate anything I don't really like anymore - simply tired of it --- honestly what person in their true real and honest mind wants to like or tolerate debached creeps? I don't - I hope that this event and all of it's foolish, vacarious and conditioned supporters all go up in a puff of smoke and disappear...perhaps some mystic event will take place and these bottom feeding creepers will return to the demented dimension they leaked from..

.I simply don't really like these worms...does that make me a horrible person - in the fact that I do not approve of fake human beings that are male mimicing the opposite sex? It is simply tiresome and a vision of glorified dishonesty being celebrated here - what was once a hidden shame is now something to be proud of...I just don't get it and don't want to get it and really don't want to use the last of my human strength, to be TOLERANT... To hell with creeps in all forms. as for those interested in creeping things and low life exhaulted to some great height of acceptance...go ahead and enjoy the social rot.

Well then...

I believe Mr.Falange is taking applications for the position of Camera Operator on his Reach for the Rainbow gay street porn film crew....

[Mr.Canada]

Well then...

I believe Mr.Falange is taking applications for the position of Camera Operator on his Reach for the Rainbow gay street porn film crew....

According to many here sex acts don't occur at the gay pride parade so my evidence gathering will be non existent.

True yes I plan to expose the gay community for what it is. Largely driven to sexual contact between adults and young teenage boys, in other words children. Men are fondling teenage runaways and other vulnerable adolescents, the entire male gay community is driven by it. To deny that is just people not being sincere.

Where ever there is sexual contact their is a chance for the public to be exposed to bodily fluids with carry the HIV virus and other STD's. Unprotected sex is rampant in the gay community as is the spread of HIV and other STD's. The general public shouldn't be forced to be exposed to these deadly virii while enjoying public spaces which are for everyone not just some perverse group of people. Who don't have respect for others.

Two consenting adults can do whatever they want behind closed doors I don't care but it becomes a problem for me when they are targeting and abusing children. Or having their version of sex in public spaces. This shouldn't be tolerated but it is deemed acceptable in our society for some reason.

Homosexuals are also allowed to be openly anti Semitic without consequence it seems. This will not be getting government funding at all next year so I hope they have enough corporate sponsors lined up.

Edited July 2, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Jack Weber]

Back on track,folks...

[Shady]

Somebody told me that the official name of the gay pride parade is AIDS-fest. Is this correct?