Muslims urged to avoid body scans

[Moonlight Graham]

Very interesting. From cbc.ca:

North American Islamic groups are urging Muslim travellers to choose to be patted down by airport security rather than go through airport body scanners, which they say violate religious and privacy rights.

The Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) said the scanners, which produce a three-dimensional outline of a person's naked body, are "against the teachings of Islam, natural law and all religions and cultures that stand for decency and modesty."

"It is a violation of clear Islamic teachings that men or women be seen naked by other men and women," the group said in a statement last week.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations also issued a statement of support to the FCNA's recommendation.

Halifax imam Dr. Jamal Badawi, one of 10 Muslim scholars on the council who made the religious ruling, said the only exception to the rules of modesty are medical necessity or another emergency.

Only people singled out for extra screening would be scanned, and they would have the option of getting a physical search instead, according to authorities on both sides of the border.

The Fiqh council, which in 2005 issued an Islamic legal ruling, or fatwa, against terrorism and religious extremism, said it appreciated the pat-down search option and recommended Muslims choose this option.

Full article: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/17/scanners-muslim.html#ixzz0forp4ZVD

[Oleg Bach]

So they would rather be groped than seen hugh? Who ever made a point of this publication regarding Muslims is propogating hate- what are the stats on this- the real stats?

[M.Dancer]

Muslims who don't wish to be scanned, can't take the plane, problem solved

[CANADIEN]

Whether people are patted or scanned does not make a difference from a security point of view, as far as I am concerned. So some prefer to be patted, go ahead.

That being said, to equate being scanned with being seen naked is a bid much.

[M.Dancer]

Whether people are patted or scanned does not make a difference from a security point of view, as far as I am concerned. So some prefer to be patted, go ahead.

That being said, to equate being scanned with being seen naked is a bid much.

I wonder if scannercould detect plastic explosive up the bum?

Patting down wouldn't...least not the conventional way...

[Oleg Bach]

Muslims who don't wish to be scanned, can't take the plane, problem solved

Personally a good Muslim-Christian or Jew does not need to fly making god's green earth smaller and less green..walk- drive- take a boat and enjoy the planet..I don't give a damn if I ever fly again...I imagine that the Muslims that are good don't care either- but the bad Muslims are not really Muslims and they will not worry about body scans as long as they can get to where they want and cause trouble at a later date...no fly lists don't work..all the wrong people are on them.

[Guest American Woman]

Very interesting. From cbc.ca:

North American Islamic groups are urging Muslim travellers to choose to be patted down by airport security rather than go through airport body scanners, which they say violate religious and privacy rights.

Full article: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/17/scanners-muslim.html#ixzz0forp4ZVD

What's interesting is that they seem to think they have a choice.

[eyeball]

What's interesting is that they seem to think they have a choice.

That's because they do.

Only people singled out for extra screening would be scanned, and they would have the option of getting a physical search instead, according to authorities on both sides of the border.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/17/scanners-muslim.html#ixzz0forp4ZVD

[Oleg Bach]

What's interesting is that they seem to think they have a choice.

Once some ten dollar an hour security type gives them the turn your head and cough search they might op for more technical means of being searched....what everyone worried about..that their breasts are sagged with old age and the penis might appear smaller under stress? To they have berka porno? It might help with body image issues.

[Guest American Woman]

That's because they do.

Only people singled out for extra screening would be scanned, and they would have the option of getting a physical search instead, according to authorities on both sides of the border.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/17/scanners-muslim.html#ixzz0forp4ZVD

A "physical search" and a "pat down" are two different things.

[Oleg Bach]

A "physical search" and a "pat down" are two different things.

Very unpleasant to say the least---to many people fly any how...thousands of aircraft polluting the skys..the day after 9 11 - I finally saw empty blue skys again...our modernity is killing us- this is not progress but regress.

[Gabriel]

Very unpleasant to say the least---to many people fly any how...thousands of aircraft polluting the skys..the day after 9 11 - I finally saw empty blue skys again...our modernity is killing us- this is not progress but regress.

I mean no disrespect, Oleg, but I've read quite a few of your posts and I'm sure I'm not alone in finding you the most bizarre poster on this website. You go off on so many strange tangents, it's unreal but strangely fascinating.

[Oleg Bach]

I mean no disrespect, Oleg, but I've read quite a few of your posts and I'm sure I'm not alone in finding you the most bizarre poster on this website. You go off on so many strange tangents, it's unreal but strangely fascinating.

Years back I was on set about to drive my police cruiser into a complex highly times scene..there were a dozen stuntmen, a helicopter flying over head..50 extras and a few principle players..the timing had to be perfect...There was a broken down former famous R and B singer that I was paired up with..he suggested that we have a puff of pot..I never smoked or drank while working..but I took a draw..that once--- the scene was a disaster..ended up accidentally wacking the lead in the head with a very big gun....it had to be re-shot...later I declined to indulge...put it this way...I am already out of the ball park as far as my wide perception is...to inhance my imagination is not needed. Spending most of my life painting pictures - playing an writing music--- and playing layman lawyer on occassion has made me quite crazy..................when rested I am on the money...but at times I just love to write in a reckless and self entertaining manner.

[William Ashley]

Years back I was on set about to drive my police cruiser into a complex highly times scene..there were a dozen stuntmen, a helicopter flying over head..50 extras and a few principle players..the timing had to be perfect...There was a broken down former famous R and B singer that I was paired up with..he suggested that we have a puff of pot..I never smoked or drank while working..but I took a draw..that once--- the scene was a disaster..ended up accidentally wacking the lead in the head with a very big gun....it had to be re-shot...later I declined to indulge...put it this way...I am already out of the ball park as far as my wide perception is...to inhance my imagination is not needed. Spending most of my life painting pictures - playing an writing music--- and playing layman lawyer on occassion has made me quite crazy..................when rested I am on the money...but at times I just love to write in a reckless and self entertaining manner.

who cares - are you an exhibitionist?

[GostHacked]

I mean no disrespect, Oleg, but I've read quite a few of your posts and I'm sure I'm not alone in finding you the most bizarre poster on this website. You go off on so many strange tangents, it's unreal but strangely fascinating.

It's nothing more than a character account. That is what I conclude.

[Oleg Bach]

It's nothing more than a character account. That is what I conclude.

So creative and wild shows bad character? If you believe that is the case then I should have been born a loyal robot. If what you are saying is a condemnation then make that clear- If I am jumping to a wrong conclution about what you seemingly conclude let me know...but frankly- very few have real character or a set of noble principles- most are barbarians covered by a thin vineer of civility...you seem very civilized.

[Oleg Bach]

who cares - are you an exhibitionist?

What might you have to exhibit? Exhibitors or exhibitionists are not a bad bunch providing they are interesting people. Your comment has failed to gain my interest - it seems to exhibit envy- and that has a bad taste.

[Gabriel]

It's nothing more than a character account. That is what I conclude.

The posts of Oleg's that I don't ignore, I often find them difficult to comprehend. The prose is so bizarre, and at first glance, at least, it often seems nonsensical - almost as if it's gibberish. It's just so bizarre.

[Oleg Bach]

The posts of Oleg's that I don't ignore, I often find them difficult to comprehend. The prose is so bizarre, and at first glance, at least, it often seems nonsensical - almost as if it's gibberish. It's just so bizarre.

It maybe that you have not undergone the transformation from common human being to space captain. There are those that can comprehend what I say and it might seem overly cryptic to some- but there is sense and logic there..It could be that I have wandered miles off the beaten path. This happens when you make the effort to stretch the daring imagination in the seeking of reality and truth. sorry. But I educated myself and am from a different school..I should tone down and keep it simple.

[Gabriel]

I read a message response to today's CBC article covering this story that I partially agreed with. Would you folks agree that perhaps we're spending money irresponsibly towards securing our airports? Do we really need all these new procedures and technologies? Let's not forget that this whole body-scanner fiasco is primarily a response to the Umar Abdulmutallab's nearly successful attempt at the Christmas-day bombing of an airplane. Let's also not forget that he was a suspicious individual - a young black man with an Arabic/Muslim name, travelling alone, without luggage, from an obscure country like Nigeria. Even worse, his own father apparently tried to advise the CIA authorities in Nigeria (according to Wikipedia) of his concerns regarding his sons growing extremist political/ideological views. We don't need hi-tech equipment to keep guys like him off the plane, we just need an effective security bureaucracy that coordinates information between relevant parties effectively and responsibly. That's my amateur view, anyways.

[Oleg Bach]

Fear and terrorism have become a booming buisness for both sides..it could become an addiction and hard habit to break..we might have become economically dependent on the terrorist economy just like the drug trade- legal and illegal.

[Gabriel]

Fear and terrorism have become a booming buisness for both sides..it could become an addiction and hard habit to break..we might have become economically dependent on the terrorist economy just like the drug trade- legal and illegal.

So... you agree that perhaps we're not addressing airport security particularly efficiently in this situation given what I mentioned above? What I was trying to suggest with my earlier post is that perhaps we're jumping the gun with all these airport policy changes and technology additions when the real problem exposed by the Umar Abdulmutallab story was the lack of coordination and appropriate response to young man who should never have been able to so easily board a plane without serious scrutiny.

This may come across as politically incorrect to some of our lovely left-wing folks in here, but if you're young, male, named "Umar Abdulmutallab", travelling without luggage, and leaving from Nigeria (perhaps even using a Nigerian passport), you need to be scrutinized carefully. This isn't even taking into consideration the facts about his father's communications with relevant authorities.

[Oleg Bach]

Who was the great Muslim papa who sent down these instructions? Did Mohamed himself suggest no body scans--maybe no MRIs or X-rays would be next...or maybe the intrusive and unholy gaze of a dental hygenic person will be next?

[Topaz]

I still say that people who fly alot and have to go through these scans may develop cancer in the future. It was said its as small a dose as you get at a dentist office....then why do we wear protection at a dentist office when we get xrays??

[Oleg Bach]

I still say that people who fly alot and have to go through these scans may develop cancer in the future. It was said its as small a dose as you get at a dentist office....then why do we wear protection at a dentist office when we get xrays??

The powers that be don't care if you re-produce or not- there is an exclusive sect that never needs to be scanned for anything. IF cancer does become more prominent then all it means is more power and money for those in the industry.