Oleg Bach Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 50%....like your posts, half assed half truths Sort it out and present the full truths..be systemic and not personal. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 They'd almost have a free fly zone through Iraq. Because the US still owns that sky. I don't think it is a stretch to conclude that. OK...outline how Israel will 'do it'. Keep in mind the order of battle for all parties involved. I'm telling you that Israel doesn't have the muck-tuck to pull it off. Iran...like the USA...buries things under mountains. Forget so-called bunker busters...way too deep and dug-in for those. We're talking Cheyenne Mountain deep. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 50%. Based on what evidence? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 OK...outline how Israel will 'do it'. Keep in mind the order of battle for all parties involved. I'm telling you that Israel doesn't have the muck-tuck to pull it off. Iran...like the USA...buries things under mountains. Forget so-called bunker busters...way too deep and dug-in for those. We're talking Cheyenne Mountain deep. All that stalling and posturing by the Iranian authorities has bought them enough time to construct a bunker that would withstand a direct nuclear hit. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Based on what evidence? Based on how they framed the citation. They implied that the US passed on intel so that the Iraqis could gas iranians. That is patently false. The US did share imagery with the Iraqis...and that as far as it went. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Based on how they framed the citation. They implied that the US passed on intel so that the Iraqis could gas iranians. That is patently false. The US did share imagery with the Iraqis...and that as far as it went. Bullshit-there were Canadian arms dealers and Americans who armed both sides - and did it with approval of government and buisness. Quote
eyeball Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Based on how they framed the citation. They implied that the US passed on intel so that the Iraqis could gas iranians. That is patently false. The US did share imagery with the Iraqis...and that as far as it went. Which is way beyond any redemption given the US had known for at least 7 months from it's own intelligence reports that Iraqi troops were using chemical weapons against the Iranians on a daily basis. November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1] See where it's bolded. Feel free to insert or edit any old crap that comes to your mind if you like, it won't change the fact that you're actually defending the West's complicity in war crimes and crimes against humanity. I assume you love your children too but I fail to see why you would. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Which is way beyond any redemption given the US had known for at least 7 months from it's own November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. I take it then at this point you feel that every scrap of intelligence that the US produces is 100% accurate andf bonafide. Will you go on record now and confirm this? Now lets look at the quality of the citation. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports Check the source and see the difference.... Jonathan T. Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of CW" against the Iranians Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 I assume you love your children too but I fail to see why you would. I fail to see why this should be considered appropriate. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 I take it then at this point you feel that every scrap of intelligence that the US produces is 100% accurate andf bonafide. Will you go on record now and confirm this? I'm not going on the record on the basis of anything you've attributed to me. Now lets look at the quality of the citation. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports Check the source and see the difference.... Jonathan T. Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of CW" against the Iranians Okay, it stands to reason the wind might be blowing the wrong way some days. So what? Your entire case now pretty much relies on the basis of the ridiculously picayune difference the word almost makes? You're really struggling to reach your nadir aren't you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 I fail to see why this should be considered appropriate. You've never heard of the song were Sting hopes the Russians love their children too? It's about the feelings two irreconcilably opposed sides are assumed to have when both are convinced the other side must be a monster. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 I'm not going on the record on the basis of anything you've attributed to me. You're really struggling to reach your nadir aren't you? So you feel that you can pick and choose when and where US intelligence is to be believed or not? How lucky you are....shame schultz didn't have your plastic options Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 You've never heard of the song were Sting hopes the Russians love their children too? It's about the feelings two irreconcilably opposed sides are assumed to have when both are convinced the other side must be a monster. I don't recall making any comment about your children. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 So you feel that you can pick and choose when and where US intelligence is to be believed or not? Hmmmm, yet another glaringly Freudian slip from the arch defender of geopolitical diddlers everywhere. Perhaps the most brilliant one yet considering the context of the region under discussion. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Hmmmm, yet another glaringly Freudian slip from the arch defender of geopolitical diddlers everywhere. Perhaps the most brilliant one yet considering the context of the region under discussion. In your mind, apparently. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Hmmmm, yet another glaringly Freudian slip from the arch defender of geopolitical diddlers everywhere. Perhaps the most brilliant one yet considering the context of the region under discussion. Yeah and a big what ever....care to explain why this intelligence is credible and some other is not. If you cannot, I will assume you concede that you have no idea when inteligence is to be believed other than when it embarrasses the US. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 I don't recall making any comment about your children. This is a very divisive topic that threatens to tear apart the civil society both your kids and mine are going to have to assume responsibility for. No doubt you do love your kids as much as I love mine but to me your views seem so antithetical to the things their lives depend on like justice and humanity - that I'm fearful for my kids. I assume you feel the same way. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 - that I'm fearful for my kids. I assume you feel the same way. No. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 I assume you love your children too but I fail to see why you would. Lame...I'm sure M.Dancer is a fine father. Way out-of-bounds. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Yeah and a big what ever....care to explain why this intelligence is credible and some other is not. Occam's Razor, it makes sense considering the timelines and other information and reports presented with it. If you cannot, I will assume you concede that you have no idea when inteligence is to be believed other than when it embarrasses the US. You might as well assume what you will, you always do anyway. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Lame...I'm sure M.Dancer is a fine father. Way out-of-bounds. Oh the humanity. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Oh the humanity. Seriously, if you're going to start bringing people's family into these 'discussions' you deserve a kick in the ass from Greg or Charles. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Feel free to report me then. I explained why I said what I did and I stand by it. Don't forget this thread is about nuclear weapons and the possibility of their being used is a real possibility and maybe even a hoped for occasion if your steady stream of nuclear blasts with a lol sign-off are any indication. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Oh the humanity. Why gnash my teeth and sprinkle my head with ashes out of Marthas garbage burning stove at the cottage. Even the worst father is better than not knowing who pops is. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Why gnash my teeth and sprinkle my head with ashes out of Marthas garbage burning stove at the cottage. Even the worst father is better than not knowing who pops is. Yeah....that's true. It would suck not knowing, even if he was a prick like me! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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