Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 In future, when asking for citations for things that fall into the realm of common knowledge, like "is the world flat?" or "who is buries in Grant's Tomb?" please forward your request to [email protected] http://www.isaf.nato.int/en/our-mission/ . Knowing to look for something called ISAF is "common knowledge" ? You have spent your time offline wisely, as it seems you know about everything now - from the Jonas Brothers to Afghanistan. This omniscience will actually cause me to go to you first - even before Google or Jeeves - with any questions. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 It's the source of the objective you asked for. Remember now? You scored a coup with that one, but really it`s just Georgie W restating the NATO goals for the great unwashed isn`t it ? How is smoking Bin Laden out NOT integral to the goal of stabilizing Afghanistan ? Is it the language you object to ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Knowing to look for something called ISAF is "common knowledge" ? You have spent your time offline wisely, as it seems you know about everything now - from the Jonas Brothers to Afghanistan. This omniscience will actually cause me to go to you first - even before Google or Jeeves - with any questions. If you don't know where your soldiers are or to what operational group they are attached after so many years of combat, is that the governments problem or yours? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 You scored a coup with that one, but really it`s just Georgie W restating the NATO goals for the great unwashed isn`t it ? How is smoking Bin Laden out NOT integral to the goal of stabilizing Afghanistan ? Is it the language you object to ? It is not even restating, although Eyeball does count as one of the great unwashed. No where in the origainal mandate of the operation is Bin laden, or caves mentioned. Removing the Taliban, yes, destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan yes... One those objectives were met, did the mission change, yes. Eyeball still petulant because we deposed the iranian tyrant...and would do it again. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 If you don't know where your soldiers are or to what operational group they are attached after so many years of combat, is that the governments problem or yours? Honestly, I didn`t look. Since it was your statement, I felt it best that the cite come from you. But to answer your question, it depends on the complexity of the question. In this case, I admit it was mine. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 It is not even restating, although Eyeball does count as one of the great unwashed. No where in the origainal mandate of the operation is Bin laden, or caves mentioned. Removing the Taliban, yes, destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan yes... One those objectives were met, did the mission change, yes. Eyeball still petulant because we deposed the iranian tyrant...and would do it again. That`s what I meant. Smoking out Bin Laden is a step towards destroying Al Qaeda. No reason to feel embarrassed about that. If it`s not on the OTAN website, then it came out of the leader`s mouth when he was talking to the American unwashed ones and is perceived as a goal. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 You scored a coup with that one, but really it`s just Georgie W restating the NATO goals for the great unwashed isn`t it ? How is smoking Bin Laden out NOT integral to the goal of stabilizing Afghanistan ? Is it the language you object to ? No, its the rearranging of the history I object to. Bush stated this before NATO entered the picture and tried to convince the unwashed of the just nature of Bush's over-reaction and other objectives. The goal of stabilizing Afghanistan was never integral to these objectives, as evidenced by the invasion of Iraq. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) It is not even restating, although Eyeball does count as one of the great unwashed. No where in the origainal mandate of the operation is Bin laden, or caves mentioned. Removing the Taliban, yes, destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan yes... One those objectives were met, did the mission change, yes. You asked me for a source of the objective not the mandate. Speaking of the great unwashed you are clearly the filthiest obfuscatory debater in the history of this forum bar none. Eyeball still petulant because we deposed the iranian tyrant...and would do it again. No, I'm pissed because we replaced one Iranian "tyrant" with another and in so doing very likely set off a chain of dots that connect to today's present mess. Edited February 1, 2010 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 No, its the rearranging of the history I object to. Bush stated this before NATO entered the picture and tried to convince the unwashed of the just nature of Bush's over-reaction and other objectives. The goal of stabilizing Afghanistan was never integral to these objectives, as evidenced by the invasion of Iraq. Your inability to grasp selfd evident truths is quite endearing. See, you think stabilizing means democracy and warm bread. It doesn't. It means dead terrorists and a friendly government. Now feel free to return to your self fabricated fantasies. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 You asked me for a source of the objective not the mandate. Speaking of the great unwashed you are clearly the filthiest obfuscatory debater in the history of this forum bar none. No, I'm pissed because we replaced one Iranian "tyrant" with another and in so doing very likely set off a chain of dots that connect to today's present mess. Yes I'm sure that butterfly yiou killed last summer is goiing to ruin the olympics Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Yes I'm sure that butterfly yiou killed last summer is goiing to ruin the olympics Yeah, well...you're the one who's flopping around more like the fish I killed last summer. In your case it's like shooting into a barrel. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 No, its the rearranging of the history I object to. Bush stated this before NATO entered the picture and tried to convince the unwashed of the just nature of Bush's over-reaction and other objectives. The goal of stabilizing Afghanistan was never integral to these objectives, as evidenced by the invasion of Iraq. The goal was to remove the Taliban, which equates to a long-term goal of making Afghanistan into a normal country again. What you're trying to say, though, is that the reaction was emotional, and done as a response to the attacks of late 2001. Of course they were. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 The goal was to remove the Taliban, which equates to a long-term goal of making Afghanistan into a normal country again. What you're trying to say, though, is that the reaction was emotional, and done as a response to the attacks of late 2001. Of course they were. Exactly...perhaps the terrorists created a few 'radical jihadis' on this side of the fence by...you know...blowing people up. Be truthful...did Islamic terrorism really enter your radar pre 9-11? I know it didn't on mine. That was something that happened over there...usually to Israel. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Born Free Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Your inability to grasp selfd evident truths is quite endearing. See, you think stabilizing means democracy and warm bread. It doesn't. It means dead terrorists and a friendly government. Now feel free to return to your self fabricated fantasies. Lots of dead terrorists over there and Karzai is as friendly as Hell. His Swiss bank accounts will tell you that. Time to leave Afghanistan... Quote
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 The goal was to remove the Taliban, which equates to a long-term goal of making Afghanistan into a normal country again. What you're trying to say, though, is that the reaction was emotional, and done as a response to the attacks of late 2001. Of course they were. That emotional response is still just as strong today. What long-term goal? The first opportunity to make Afghanistan a normal country was squandered in the wake of the Soviet's withdrawal. The fact that Iraq was invaded doesn't do much to support the claims that the US and its allies - a.k.a. 'the west' - had any more regard for Afghans in Mar 2003 than it did back in Feb 1989. The west has behaved like a dog following its own nose like it was all that mattered in the world. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Yeah, well...you're the one who's flopping around more like the fish I killed last summer. In your case it's like shooting into a barrel. Such violent imagery should be reported...in your case, reported to your local plastic shaman. I would recommend an extra 15 minutes to bake out that hostility in the sweat lodge, anything less and you will only be as half baked as your ideas. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Lots of dead terrorists over there and Karzai is as friendly as Hell. His Swiss bank accounts will tell you that. Time to leave Afghanistan... Oh do tell us about his swiss bank accounts and how that relates to whether Afghanistan is a pariah to us or not.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Flip flop. Loser. In the meantime, your hero's are talking peace with the Taliban. Man that's gotta hurt. I feel for you, I really do...in a pig's eye. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Loser. In the meantime, your hero's are talking peace with the Taliban. Man that's gotta hurt. I feel for you, I really do...in a pig's eye. Carlo Gambino is talking peace with the Taliban? Incredible. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Carlo Gambino is talking peace with the Taliban? Incredible. Flip flop...flop flip...incredible. The prospect of talking peace with the Taliban has really left you guy's high and dry hasn't it? Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along soon to give you guy's your talking points. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Born Free Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) Oh do tell us about his swiss bank accounts and how that relates to whether Afghanistan is a pariah to us or not.... It relates to your own previous assertion Morris.... "It means dead terrorists and a friendly government." The conditions have been met. Time to leave. Edited February 1, 2010 by Born Free Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Flip flop...flop flip...incredible. The prospect of talking peace with the Taliban has really left you guy's high and dry hasn't it? Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along soon to give you guy's your talking points. Yes...humor. Some on our side might like to chat with the Taliban. This is nothing new, really. If I recall, the Taliban have stated they're not interested in talking. Just more killing and bombing until their goals are met. Some folks just think money motivates everything. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 The conditions have been met. Time to leave. ...then the real killin' can comence. Just like Viet-Nam. I smell splendid victory for the anti-war/pro-massacre crowd... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 Some on our side might like to chat with the Taliban. Like Stanley McChrystal? This is nothing new, really...Some folks just think money motivates everything. Like Hamid Karzai or George Bush? Paying Insurgents Not to Fight. Been here done this eh? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Born Free Posted February 1, 2010 Report Posted February 1, 2010 ...then the real killin' can comence. Just like Viet-Nam. I smell splendid victory for the anti-war/pro-massacre crowd... Been to Vietnam lately? Quote
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