Canada caters to France and their cultural ideologies

[Leafless]

You blame federal legislation for something that exists only in your imagination (Nazi-type legislation), that results in something that does not happen (violations of rights) - at least does not happen in Ontario. And you are unaware of the fact that Quebec language laws do not apply outside Quebec.

What is happening in Ontario is the same as what has happened in Quebec which is the promotion of the French language via corrupt Nazi type language policy.

I have already pointed out that the lopsided corrupt 'Official Languages Policy' does not allow for the promotion of the English language in Quebec but only serves the French language and it's promotion.

Ottawa Ontario's bilingual policy proves this in the first line of the federal style bilingual policy.

Declaration of Principle

The City of Ottawa recognizes both official languages as having the same rights, status and privileges.

http://www.ottawa.ca/city_hall/policies/bilingualism_policy/index_en.html

Here we go again with your incapacity to see the difference between French and Canadian.

You are the one with the incapacity to realize that when parts of the constitution are used to promote linguistic self ideologies by perceived victims like yourself it is time to scrap or rewrite parts or sections of the constitution.

Your incapacity to see the difference between French and Canadian aside, you are the one who claim English-speakers are discriminated against in Ontario yet is unable to prove it.

The proof is simple.

English speaking Canadians are badly discriminated against in Ontario by language laws and made second class citizens by being forced by corrupt policy to speak an unwanted, needless foreign language.

Correction, let's see what occurs when the linguistic rights of Ontarians are upheld.

Provincial government services offered in French as well as in English in part of the Province. A goof thing.

A goof thing?

You got that right.

The Liberal government and Ottawa City Council doing the right thing by deciding that municipal services will be offered in French is well as in English.

It is apparent you are in full support of a dictator and dictatorial Nazi type language policies.

[CANADIEN]

FICTION:

What is happening in Ontario is the same as what has happened in Quebec which is the promotion of the French language via corrupt Nazi type language policy.

FACT: What happens in Quebec is the curtailing of the rights of people to use the Canadian language they want. What happens in Ontario is recognition of the rights of Canadians to use the Canadian

FICTION

the lopsided corrupt 'Official Languages Policy' does not allow for the promotion of the English language in Quebec.

FACT; The Official Languages Act gives the exact same status to English and French in federal institution and services. OTHER FACT: that you fail to see that Quebec's languages act are in total contradiction with the very spirit of the OLA proves how clueless you are.

FICTION

You are the one with the incapacity to realize that when parts of the constitution are used to promote linguistic self ideologies by perceived victims like yourself it is time to scrap or rewrite parts or sections of the constitution.

FACT: Why would I consider myself a victim when my rights as a Canadian are acknowledged? YOU are the one with the delusional belief that you are victimized because there is French on cereal boxes.

FICTIONS (7 in 1 sentence)

English speaking Canadians are badly discriminated against in Ontario by language laws and made second class citizens by being forced by corrupt policy to speak an unwanted, needless foreign language

FACT: English-speaking Canadians in Ontario are not discriminated against

FACT: English-speaking Canadians in Ontario are not treat like second-class citizens

FACT; English-speaking Canadians are not forced to speak French

FACT: There is nothing corrupt in the French Language Services Act

FACT: The presence of French language in Ontario is wanted by far more people that you think

FACT: Each and every Ontario is capable to decide by themselves what Canadian language they want or need, and none has to account for it to you or any other clueless whiner

FACT: The French language is not foreign to Canada

FICTION;

It is apparent you are in full support of a dictator and dictatorial Nazi type language policies.

FACT: My support of dictatorship and Nazi-like legislation is exactly equal to your support of the tooth fairy. The difference is that I know both do not exist.

[Leafless]

FACT: What happens in Quebec is the curtailing of the rights of people to use the Canadian language they want.

What happened in Quebec is something the federal government could never rectify and in the end ultimately dumped the Quebec culture and language problems directly onto the backs of English speaking Canadians.

What happens in Ontario is recognition of the rights of Canadians to use the Canadian

English translation please.

FACT; The Official Languages Act gives the exact same status to English and French in federal institution and services.

Via Nazi type language policy.

OTHER FACT: that you fail to see that Quebec's languages act are in total contradiction with the very spirit of the OLA proves how clueless you are.

Provinces are not compelled to support OLA.

Proves how clueless you are.

FACT: Why would I consider myself a victim when my rights as a Canadian are acknowledged?

Exactly what rights are you talking about?

YOU are the one with the delusional belief that you are victimized because there is French on cereal boxes.

Nothing like a free society cough, cough cough.

[Leafless]

FACT: English-speaking Canadians in Ontario are not discriminated against

Nazi type language laws override the importance of a freely established English language utilized by the large majority of Ontario residents.

FACT: English-speaking Canadians in Ontario are not treat like second-class citizens

In many cases English speaking Ontarians are forced learn the foreign language French in order to gain employment in a province that is only 4.4% French. Sorry make that 4.8% under the new Francophone redefined language policy.

Ontarians are also forced to support 205 French language services in what is suppose to be a free society.

FACT; English-speaking Canadians are not forced to speak French

Employment wise, absolutely.

FACT: There is nothing corrupt in the French Language Services Act

It was not created by the free or democratic will of Ontario tax paying residents.

FACT: The presence of French language in Ontario is wanted by far more people that you think

Like 4.4%, oh sorry, 4.8% of the population of Ontario.

FACT: Each and every Ontario is capable to decide by themselves what Canadian language they want or need, and none has to account for it to you or any other clueless whiner

That is a totally false statement and you know it, activist.

FACT: The French language is not foreign to Canada

Ha,ha, ha, and I suppose neither are Italian, German, Russian, Arabic etc. etc.

FACT: My support of dictatorship and Nazi-like legislation is exactly equal to your support of the tooth fairy. The difference is that I know both do not exist.

Then you must also know this is neither a free nor democratic society but in many instances is a dictatorship which does not reflect the will of Canadians.

[CANADIEN]

Nazi type language laws override the importance of a freely established English language utilized by the large majority of Ontario residents.

They would, but then it is a known fact that this type of law exists only ib your imagination.

In many cases English speaking Ontarians are forced learn the foreign language French in order to gain employment in a province that is only 4.4% French. Sorry make that 4.8% under the new Francophone redefined language policy.

If people do not want to learn something, that's their choice. You won't hear me whine because I didn't study medecine and I can't get a job as a doctor.

Ontarians are also forced to support 205 French language services in what is suppose to be a free society.

I have no kids, and I have to support schools. I do not swim, and my money goes to public pools. You do not hear me whine like a clueless loser. Unless you can prove that services such as the police, ambulances, driver's licence, hospitals, welfare payment, etc., etc. etc. are not available in English - and yourself have admitted you can't - you have no point, and no clue, as always.

It was not created by the free or democratic will of Ontario tax paying residents.

I would point out that Ontario's French Language Services Act was voted UNANYMOUSLY by the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES of the people, but then you have no clue on how a parliamentary democracy works.

Like 4.4%, oh sorry, 4.8% of the population of Ontario.

Too bad I cannot find it this morning, but about 1 year and a half ago me and others were making references to polls indicating that over half of Ontarians were in favour of government services being available in English and French.

FACT: Each and every Ontario is capable to decide by themselves what Canadian language they want or need, and none has to account for it to you or any other clueless whiner

That is a totally false statement and you know it, activist.

Let me rephrase it in a way that even you might understand (although I doubt it). What Canadian language I decide to use when dealing with the government of my province and my country is none of your business

Ha,ha, ha, and I suppose neither are Italian, German, Russian, Arabic etc. etc..

And you wonder why people know that you are clueless.

Then you must also know this is neither a free nor democratic society but in many instances is a dictatorship which does not reflect the will of Canadians.

(WARNING: SARCASM FOLLOWS) Of course I know it. I also know as a fact that Burkina Faso will win the Olympic Gold medal in women's hockey (END OF SARCASM)

Now, rejoice because I am done for the time being with demonstrsting how ridiculously clueless you about the rights of Canadians, Canadian history, Canadian languages, Ontario laws, parliamentary democracy, etc., etc., etc. Let me know when you find a novel way to show you don't have a clue.

Edited February 7, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Back to the initial topic

Canada's membership in OIF has nothing to do with allegiances to Britain any more than our membership in the Pacific Rim or Circumpolar organizations.

I do not know about others, but as a Canadian my allegience goes to one country... CANADA.

And nothing in our membership in the Commonwealth prevents us from belonging to any other international or multinational organizations. Most Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, belong to more than one organization - nowhere do we hear "but but but, we belong to the Commonwealth, we can't belong to any other group.

[whowhere]

Back to the initial topic

I do not know about others, but as a Canadian my allegience goes to one country... CANADA.

And nothing in our membership in the Commonwealth prevents us from belonging to any other international or multinational organizations. Most Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, belong to more than one organization - nowhere do we hear "but but but, we belong to the Commonwealth, we can't belong to any other group.

Explain What the commonwealth is, it means nothing. It should have meant free trade. Canada has no strong historical economic trade with so the called commonwealth countries. Canada's largest economic trading partner has always been the United States which ceased to be a commonwealth country after US independance. Talkiing of the commonwealth is nothing but window dressing and is irrelevant to Canada's economy. What the commonwealth really meant was British expoitation of British controlled countries.

[Leafless]

They would, but then it is a known fact that this type of law exists only ib your imagination.

What exist in my mind is REAL, the same as many other Ontarians and Canadians.

If people do not want to learn something, that's their choice. You won't hear me whine because I didn't study medecine and I can't get a job as a doctor.

The only difference is, language is NOT a profession and the criteria utilized to establish a minority language to overtake the importance of a majority language is totally offensive and corrupt and destroys the well being of the majority.

I have no kids, and I have to support schools. I do not swim, and my money goes to public pools. You do not hear me whine like a clueless loser. Unless you can prove that services such as the police, ambulances, driver's licence, hospitals, welfare payment, etc., etc. etc. are not available in English - and yourself have admitted you can't - you have no point, and no clue, as always.

You will never understand that a freely developed and established society is the basis to services offered to it's residents and NOT your minority French language.

Quebec understands that logic.

I would point out that Ontario's French Language Services Act was voted UNANYMOUSLY by the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES of the people, but then you have no clue on how a parliamentary democracy works.

A parliamentary democracy can indeed be CORRUPT and which is the primary objective of this thread.

Too bad I cannot find it this morning, but about 1 year and a half ago me and others were making references to polls indicating that over half of Ontarians were in favour of government services being available in English and French.

Which is typical of your postings, all personal opinion and no proof.

Let me rephrase it in a way that even you might understand (although I doubt it). What Canadian language I decide to use when dealing with the government of my province and my country is none of your business

It is definitely my business.

And you wonder why people know that you are clueless.

And to think I always thought it was the Romance language spoken in France and in countries colonized by France.

[M.Dancer]

What exist in my mind is REAL, the same as many other Ontarians and Canadians.

If it exists in you mind and is real, then it exists elsewhere. If it does not exist elsewhere then it exists only in your mind.

[PIK]

Who cares who did what the haitians need help and they needed it now. I like the new policy of helping out fewer nations ,instead of running around pissing on big fires where nothing gets done. Right now we need to concentrate on afghaistan and haita. Then we can move on to other parts of the world.

[CANADIEN]

What exist in my mind is REAL.

As real as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and the Little Mermaid.

You will never understand that a freely developed and established society is the basis to services offered to it's residents and NOT your minority French language.

Quebec understands that logic.

what I understand, and will always escapes you, is that a truely free society respects minority rights. Nice by the way how willing you are to adopt Quebec's model on how to deal with minority languages. Because I don't like that model one bit.

What Canadian language I decide to use when dealing with the government of my province and my country is none of your business

It is definitely my business.

Oh really? Tell me, are you God? Or the Premier? Or the PM? Or the Queen? Must be someone very important if you have the power to make for me a decision that only belongs to me. Please tell me, tell us what supreme authority you have - I need the laugh.

And to think I always thought it was the Romance language spoken in France and in countries colonized by France.

[Leafless]

As real as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and the Little Mermaid.

Well, if that is your line of thinking, then perhaps you can add to that Pierre Trudeau's 'just society'.

Unfortunately, this is not to say that fantasies cannot become real or in part, as is the case of a 'just society'.

what I understand, and will always escapes you, is that a truly free society respects minority rights.

"Truly free society"...another item to add to your list of fantasies.

Nice by the way how willing you are to adopt Quebec's model on how to deal with minority languages. Because I don't like that model one bit.

I don't see why not, as both you and Quebec benefit.

Quebec benefits as a 'French nationalistic dictatorship' and you benefit from affirmative action policies by way of equality rights.

Both are derived from PirreTrudeau's 'just society'.

Oh really? Tell me, are you God? Or the Premier? Or the PM? Or the Queen? Must be someone very important if you have the power to make for me a decision that only belongs to me. Please tell me, tell us what supreme authority you have - I need the laugh.

Supreme authority...none.

But as a 2nd class, discriminated upon, English speaking Canadian, I think I do have the right to object to the linguistic antics of socialized parasites made possible by totalitarian language policies.

And to think I always thought it was the Romance language spoken in France and in countries colonized by France.

Okay, so you posted my reply that Canada is a country colonized by France and therefore French is not a foreign language.

If Canada is a country colonized by France, we would all be speaking French, which we are not.

In Canada and the U.S. the de facto language is English because of the SUCCESSFUL colonization by Britain.

Therefore, French in Canada, even though it is an official language is still technically a foreign language.

[CANADIEN]

Well, if that is your line of thinking, then perhaps you can add to that Pierre Trudeau's 'just society'.

My line of thinkng is that that you are clueless and deluded, as in...

2nd class, discriminated upon, English speaking Canadian, I think I do have the right to object to the linguistic antics of socialized parasites made possible by totalitarian language policies.

You are not a second class citizen and you are not discriminated against because there are stickers with "Entrez" on the doors of post office or because Government of Ontario Websites have a French version.

You got one thing right though (yes, it happens) - you have the right to object to things that actually do not exist.

(WARNING: What follows is sarcasm)I must admit though that I a little disappointed. I expected you to come with something non-sensical like "I pay taxes, you don't". (end of sarcasm).

I don't see why not, as both you and Quebec benefit.

Quebec benefits as a 'French nationalistic dictatorship'

No surprise here, you are cluless to the fact I do not like Quebec-style language laws...and you are clueless to the fact that, if one was to change the word French to English and Quebec to Ontario, we would have to a large extent what YOU want in Ontario. Like in:

Quebec recognizes only on e Canadian language as its official language... You want one official language in Ontario

Quebec severely limits access to provincial government services in English... You want the end to provincial AND federal government services in French

Quebec prohibits municipalities from offering services in English in most cases... You don't want munuicpal services to be available in French, period.

Quebec limits the size of commercial signs in languages other than French... You have called for English to be the "sole official language of business" in Ontario, hinting that there would be no need to have the government enforce it...as long as business operated in English.

Unfortunately, there are people insecure and deluded enough to support what happens in Quebec or your non-sense.

(WARNING: What follows is sarcasm) Looks to me like YOU advocating a nationlistic dictature for Ontario. Don't shave the moustache, it may come handy).

Okay, so you posted my reply that Canada is a country colonized by France and therefore French is not a foreign language.

Actually, I forgot to remove it from my reply, which in retrospect is a good thing as it allowed you to make a fool of yourself AGAIN.

If Canada is a country colonized by France, we would all be speaking French, which we are not.

French is the mother tongue of more than 20% of Canadians. Not all of us speak English. Strrrrrrrrrrike one.

In Canada and the U.S. the de facto language is English because of the SUCCESSFUL colonization by Britain.

British colonization of the United States was so successful King George was dumped, violently, by the Colonisists. Most of American territorial expension, immigration, economic and scientifc advances, etc., etc., etc. occured AFTER the US Revolution. Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes two, three, four, five, six...

Therefore, French in Canada, even though it is an official language is still technically a foreign language.

French is the mother tongue of more than one-fifth of Canadians, French-speaking communities in this country have developed their own culture(s), their own Litterature(s) (note the plural, btw0 and their own institutions, which are different from those of France. These communities have developed and endured even when their language was forbidden and their institutions marginalized. Like it or not, Fremch IS a Canadian language, something YOU have admitted before (but then, you being cluekess even about what you say is nothing new).

Edited February 13, 2010 by CANADIEN

[whowhere]

Oh really? Tell me, are you God? Or the Premier? Or the PM? Or the Queen? Must be someone very important if you have the power to make for me a decision that only belongs to me. Please tell me, tell us what supreme authority you have - I need the laugh.

You can't have your schizophrenic cake and eat it. On the one hand you boast the so called parliamentary democracy virtues and on the other you propogate these mps are acting in your interest when they are really acting in the parties interest for the benefit of their party's masters.

[Oleg Bach]

You can't have your schizophrenic cake and eat it. On the one hand you boast the so called parliamentary democracy virtues and on the other you propogate these mps are acting in your interest when they are really acting in the parties interest for the benefit of their party's masters.

At least someone realizes that the parties have masters. That's a start. As for pandering to France - It is almost a British tradion base in history and a continued pay off for co-operation from a struggling competator - Buisness people in anglo Toronto still suck up to their counter parts in Montreal. The nation as a whole treat Quebec like a bombed out post war Japan - a mixture of guilt and opportunism.

[Leafless]

You are not a second class citizen and you are not discriminated against because there are stickers with "Entrez" on the doors of post office or because Government of Ontario Websites have a French version.

It is all part of Mr. Trudeau's 'just society' or 'to destroy the importance of the freely created dominant English speaking language in Canada' with the implementation of (a)-'the Official Language Policy of 1969, (- the Multicultural Policy of Canada 1971, ©-cultural components and the equality section of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms 1982'. And not to mention uncontrolled third world immigration, Quebec French language laws, French language laws in English speaking provinces.

No surprise here, you are cluless to the fact I do not like Quebec-style language laws.

Then you are saying, Quebcec Francophones=bad. Francophones in the ROC=good.

But then you want and approve of minority French language laws in Ontario and all other Canadian provinces in the same fashion as Quebec.

I don't think you know what you are saying anymore.

Quebec recognizes only on e Canadian language as its official language... You want one official language in Ontario

I definitely prefer the English language in Ontario to be made official, just like it is in Alberta and Saskatchwan.

Just think for a moment. If a tiny 4.8% (redefined definiton, .4% more) minority francophones can legally force French language services in 24 municipalities in Ontario and cities like Toronto Ontario and an official language policy in Ottawa Ontario without the will of it's tax paying residents. Then yes, Ontario should have no other choice than to establish English as the official language for the protection of it's English speaking residents against providing costly French services and against discriminating and ultimately forcing English speaking residents to become bilingual, English/French, in order to gain employment, in their own province that is 95.2% English speaking.

Quebec severely limits access to provincial government services in English... You want the end to provincial AND federal government services in French

I favour limited provincial French services in English speaking provinces and want federal services in English speaking provinces limited in a way, as to not interfere with the English language in it's rightful place as the dominant language in governnment and private buisness.

Quebec prohibits municipalities from offering services in English in most cases... You don't want munuicpal services to be available in French, period.

Limited services only with the same rules as Quebec such as (in provinces like Ontario) the minority language mother tongue must represent 50% of the population to obtain limited municipal services in French. Certaintly not like it is now, 10% French in smaller municipalities or 5,000 francophones in urban areas warrants French language services. This is an open invitation to a cultural/linguistic takeover by a French minority language. This is happening in Ottawa Ontario with bilingual francophones running the show providing French services for the 1 or 2% francophones that cannot speak English.

Just check out hospitals, restaurants, museums, airports, federal government services, provinvcial services, private businesses etc. and you will find a sea of francophones occupying jobs in these places. How can this be possible when the francophone population in Ottawa is only 14.9%. Well they are pouring into Ottawa from Quebec. Also and this is currently condoned by municipal, provincial and federal governments who are actively promoting a bilingual Ottawa and ignoring the large majority of Ottawa English speaking tax payers who are entitled to English only speaking jobs in Ottawa. Talk about a screwed up city, province and country.

Quebec limits the size of commercial signs in languages other than French

And French is the official language of commerce in Quebec including language laws relating to schools.

Also highway signs are in French only and advirtising on public transit is French only.

You have called for English to be the "sole official language of business" in Ontario

Yes, the same as Alberta or Saskatchewan where English is the official language.

British colonization of the United States was so successful King George was dumped, violently, by the Colonisists.

You say this as if you are somewhat proud and at the same time sound envious. But we were talking about establishing the English language and not the American revolution.

Most of American territorial expension, immigration, economic and scientifc advances, etc., etc., etc. pccured AFTER the US Revolution.

It is absolutely astounding how you grasp the inner nature of things.

BTW- This is my last post relating to any further debate with you, as it is apparent you are emotionally unstable and unable to debate in a civilized fashion.

[charter.rights]

BTW- This is my last post relating to any further debate with you, as it is apparent you are emotionally unstable and unable to debate in a civilized fashion.

Finally. Leafless is conceding defeat.

[CANADIEN]

Then you are saying, Quebcec Francophones=bad. Francophones in the ROC=good.

Nope. I am saying Quebec language laws bad, and what you propose (which is exaclty the same), bad. Not surprisingly, you are clueless about ti.

But then you want and approve of minority French language laws in Ontario and all other Canadian provinces in the same fashion as Quebec.

No surprise, you also are clueless to the difference between the two. BTW, Quebec should have language legislation similar to that of Ontario, not the other way around as you propose.

I definitely prefer the English language in Ontario to be made official, just like it is in Alberta and Saskatchwan.

Just think for a moment. If a tiny 4.8% (redefined definiton, .4% more) minority francophones can legally force French language services in 24 municipalities in Ontario and cities like Toronto Ontario and an official language policy in Ottawa Ontario without the will of it's tax paying residents. Then yes, Ontario should have no other choice than to establish English as the official language for the protection of it's English speaking residents against providing costly French services and against discriminating and ultimately forcing English speaking residents to become bilingual, English/French, in order to gain employment, in their own province that is 95.2% English speaking.

Of course... French-speaking Ontarians do not pay taxes (where do I apply for my tax rebate? ) and besides Ontario is not their province. Clueless, I say, clueless.

I favour limited provincial French services in English speaking provinces and want federal services in English speaking provinces limited in a way, as to not interfere with the English language in it's rightful place as the dominant language in governnment and private buisness.

Limited services only with the same rules as Quebec such as (in provinces like Ontario) the minority language mother tongue must represent 50% of the population to obtain limited municipal services in French. Certaintly not like it is now, 10% French in smaller municipalities or 5,000 francophones in urban areas warrants French language services. This is an open invitation to a cultural/linguistic takeover by a French minority language. This is happening in Ottawa Ontario with bilingual francophones running the show providing French services for the 1 or 2% francophones that cannot speak English.

In other words, you want for Ontario the same type of law you denounced as Nazi-like. And using the same type of arguments used by those who defend Quebec language laws.

Just check out hospitals, restaurants, museums, airports, federal government services, provinvcial services, private businesses etc. and you will find a sea of francophones occupying jobs in these places.

Last time I checked, private businessees in Ontario, including restaurants, were free to hire whoever they wanted, and to offer their services in whatever language(s) they wanted. Once again, you want to do in Ontario what has been done in Quebec.

You say this as if you are somewhat proud and at the same time sound envious. But we were talking about establishing the English language and not the American revolution.

The American Revolution does not make me proud or envious, or the opposite fot that matter. But it is funny to read you prove, once again, how clueless you here.

It is absolutely astounding how you grasp the inner nature of things.

Not nearly as astounding as how little of it you grasp.

BTW- This is my last post relating to any further debate with you, as it is apparent you are emotionally unstable and unable to debate in a civilized fashion.

(WARNING: What follows is sarcasm)I MUST be emotionally unstable... after all, I am French and refuse to accept the fact that I am not Canadian enough.(end of sarcasm). More seriously, this is a real riot coming from someone who has delusions of being discriminated because some Ottawa restaurants have "patatate frites" besides "fries" on their menus, who uses epithet like "nazis" against anyone who dares making some sense, who denounces in one posting the same type of policies he advocates in another.

Well, with you gone, I'll have to find another source for good laughs.

Edited February 14, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Oleg Bach]

America has it's love affair with the Israeli mafia and Canada in turn have always had a partnership with the French.

[Leafless]

Finally. Leafless is conceding defeat.

This thread was driven off course and I said all I had to say.

This thread was initially more about Quebec and their perpetual struggle from the grasp of federal powers and authority and in pursuit of political independence or total liberty.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Leafless

[whowhere]

This thread was driven off course and I said all I had to say.

This thread was initially more about Quebec and their perpetual struggle from the grasp of federal powers and authority and in pursuit of political independence or total liberty.

You failed to include the English majority should decide for the French minority as that is your position. Outside of Quebec fine, inside Quebec, Quebec has a right to be what it has always been. Quebec also has the right to inflict and enforce laws to preserve its historical culture and crush other cultural upstarts. You have issue with that. I agree Canada should be looking after Canadians first and only provide haiti aid in the form of goods and services produced by Canada and Canadians. I agree Canada should not be wasting money on them. If money is to be directly given to haiti it should have been done through the Red Cross or the UN as part of a Global package. Your problem is you muddying your thread by attacking Quebec and having issue with aid to Haiti. Two diffent topics. You want to start a thread to attack Quebec overtly than do it, don't do it through finding something Quebec is apart of then proceed to vent your ignorance.

[Leafless]

You failed to include the English majority should decide for the French minority as that is your position.

How can that be my position when totalitarian language policies state otherwise?

Outside of Quebec fine, inside Quebec, Quebec has a right to be what it has always been. Quebec also has the right to inflict and enforce laws to preserve its historical culture and crush other cultural upstarts. You have issue with that.

Quebec has a right to preserve the rights the Quebec Act gave it within the province of Quebec and should be at it's expense.

I agree Canada should be looking after Canadians first and only provide haiti aid in the form of goods and services produced by Canada and Canadians. I agree Canada should not be wasting money on them. If money is to be directly given to haiti it should have been done through the Red Cross or the UN as part of a Global package. Your problem is you muddying your thread by attacking Quebec and having issue with aid to Haiti.

This thread has nothing to do with earthquake aid given to Haiti.

The single issue is, Canada giving aid to Haiti to help Haiti under La Francophonie which Canada/Quebec is a memeber. Haiti is also a member of La Francophonie.

Two diffent topics. You want to start a thread to attack Quebec overtly than do it, don't do it through finding something Quebec is apart of then proceed to vent your ignorance.

What two issues...what ignorance?

Who is attacking Quebec?

This thread is under morals and ethics and I am questioning the ethics of Canada (federal government) as to why the federal government is internationally supporting the role of the Francophone community in Canada. Quebec should be looking after the propagation of it's own culture/language rather than at the expense of all Canadian tax payers.

[CANADIEN]

How can that be my position when totalitarian language policies state otherwise?

And of course, by totalitarian policy you mean the same type of legislation that exists in Quebec and that you want to export to Ontario.

BTW, even you cannot be so clueless as to ignore the fact that you want English to be imposed as the only language Canadians can use use when accessing federal government services (except in the little enclave you would grant to those second clas Canadians whose first Canadian langaueg is other than English).

Quebec has a right to preserve the rights the Quebec Act gave it within the province of Quebec and should be at it's expense.

The Quebec Act was 228 years (and it did not say a word about lnguage btw). We are in 2010, and (to your great chagrin), French-speaking Canadians enjoy the same rights all over this great country of ours. No need for you to get used to it, as it's happening anyways.

The single issue is, Canada giving aid to Haiti to help Haiti under La Francophonie which Canada/Quebec is a memeber. Haiti is also a member of La Francophonie.

And you have failed (as is the usual case with you) to demonstrate that Canada should not be members of organizations other than the Commonwealth, or that it should not help countries that are not member of the Commonwealth.

Who is attacking Quebec?

You.

This thread is under morals and ethics

or more exactly the way you screw those notions to fit your prejudice and paranoia.

(...)as to why the federal government is internationally supporting the role of the Francophone community in Canada

Because these communities are part of our identity as a country.

Quebec should be looking after the propagation of it's own culture/language

French language cultures in Canada ARE Canadian, and they both include and go beyon what happens in Quebec. I, for one, do not recognize any role or right to Quebec government to speak on my behalf as a Franco-Ontarian. The Ontario government and the federal government do.

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And of course, by totalitarian policy you mean the same type of legislation that exists in Quebec and that you want to export to Ontario.

By all means.

AlLL provinces should be equal in the same fashion as Quebec.

BTW, even you cannot be so clueless as to ignore the fact that you want English to be imposed as the only language Canadians can use use when accessing federal government services (except in the little enclave you would grant to those second clas Canadians whose first Canadian langaueg is other than English).

One would have to be a clueless person not to recognize the fact that it is the English language which is the de facto language of Canada and is the one that drives the country. And not to learn the English language,one would have to be even more of a clueless person. The poor federal government as a national government is forced to go along with policies stemming from Trudeau's 'just society' since no one ever challenged those policies when they should have.

The Quebec Act was 228 years (and it did not say a word about lnguage btw).

Which goes to show you how great British insight was.

in 2010, and (to your great chagrin), French-speaking Canadians enjoy the same rights all over this great country of ours. No need for you to get used to it, as it's happening anyways.

Thanks to federal discrimination against English speaking Canadians and their political freedoms.

And you have failed (as is the usual case with you) to demonstrate that Canada should not be members of organizations other than the Commonwealth, or that it should not help countries that are not member of the Commonwealth.

You really lay it on thick with the word Canada when we all know with the case of La Francophonies it serves to give another level of autonomy to Quebec which allows Quebec to mouth off on the world stage.

French language cultures in Canada ARE Canadian, and they both include and go beyon what happens in Quebec. I, for one, do not recognize any role or right to Quebec government to speak on my behalf as a Franco-Ontarian. The Ontario government and the federal government do.

If it was not for Quebec you would not have virtually no political rights in Ontario, federal or provincial, period.

BTW- My reply was to 'Whowhere'. Have you taken over 'Whowere's identity' as the reason you are replying for him?

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CANADIEN, on 18 February 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

And of course, by totalitarian policy you mean the same type of legislation that exists in Quebec and that you want to export to Ontario.

By all means.

AlLL provinces should be equal in the same fashion as Quebec.

Confirming again that you are actually in favour of the type of policy you call "totalitariab". (warning: sARCASM FOLLOWS) Hitler would be proud of you. (END OF Sarcasm)

One would have to be a clueless person not to recognize the fact that it is the English language which is the de facto language of Canada.

One has to be really clueless to ignore the fact that french is the de facto language of more than one Canadian out of five.

The Quebec Act was 228 years (and it did not say a word about lnguage btw).

Which goes to show you how great British insight was.

The insight shown by the British Parliament in 192 was just fantastic indeed.

BTW- My reply was to 'Whowhere'. Have you taken over 'Whowere's identity' as the reason you are replying for him?

Whowhere is perfectly able to reply by himself, and to write non-sense equal to yours. If you want only for him to respond to your comments on his postings, start a chat line with him. This is a public forum.

Edited February 20, 2010 by CANADIEN