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Quebec is not a country and should never have been allowed to participate in la Francophonie since Canada was already a member with the Commonwealth of Nations.

Canada is a member of La Francophonie, not Quebec. That the country also holds membership in the Commonwealth of Nations is no barrier on it being a part of other international orgnizations; Cameroon is also a member of both La Francophonie and the Commonwealth, as is Dominica, Maritius, Rwanda, Saint Lucia, the Seychelles, and Vanuatu.

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You mean the only French speaking province and the only bilingual province get a seat as part of the Canadian delegation?

Actually, it was a list of places where the Sommet de la Francophonie has been held; apparently Leafless didn't know that Quebec City and Moncton are Canadian cities. I wonder where he thought they were... :unsure:

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Oh, well, even more interesting then. I believe though that Quebec, New Brunswick, and Ontario all have a seat within the Canadian delegation...I'm actually surprised that my province doesn't.

Edit: Looking closer, it seems that NB and QC are recognized subnational participating governments, further eroding his theories. Ontario does have a seat in the Canadian delegation.

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Canada is a member of La Francophonie, not Quebec.

What an asinine statement.

You know very well that if it were not for Quebec, Canada would not be a member of la Francophonie.

You must also know that Canada with a 13.3% francophone population that speaks only speaks French does not anywhere near meet the definition of a francophone nation.

English and French are the mother tongues of 59.7% and 23.2% of the population respectively, [171] and the languages most spoken at home by 68.3% and 22.3% of the population respectively. [172] 98.5% of Canadians speak English or French (67.5% speak English only, 13.3% speak French only, and 17.7% speak both). [173] English and French Official Language Communities, defined by First Official Language Spoken, constitute 73.0% and 23.6% of the population respectively. [173]

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Canada?t=10.#11.

Canada also contributes approximately $40 million per year to the International Organization of La Francophonie and Francophone institutions.

The Government of Canada is the second largest donor after France, contributing approximately $40 million per year to the International Organization of La Francophonie and Francophone institutions.

http://www.international.gc.ca/franco/index.aspx

This is a total waste of tax payer resources that are so badly needed in other areas of Canadian society such as health care and pensions and most other federal programs that are so badly underfunded.

It is also intereting to note that although French is an official language of Haiti, it is only spoken by 5% of the population.

Ninety-five percent of the population of Haiti speaks Haitian Creole.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_official_language_of_Haiti

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You know very well that if it were not for Quebec, Canada would not be a member of la Francophonie

What an assinine statement; you know full well that if Canada didn't have a Pacific coast we wouldn't be in the Pacific Rim organizations; or if we were a tropical country we wouldn't be involved in circumpolar organizations nor a founding member of the International Ice Hockey Federation.

You must also know that Canada with a 13.3% francophone population that speaks only speaks French does not anywhere near meet the definition of a francophone nation.

You must also know that 22.7% of (6.8 million) Canadians cite French as their mother tongue - one of the two official langauges of Canada - which constitutes a 'good enough' percentage to qualify for membership in the OIF.

Canada also contributes approximately $40 million per year to the International Organization of La Francophonie and Francophone institutions.

Sweet deal. 6$ membership fee for each Francophone. Costs more to go to a Jr B hockey game.

This is a total waste of tax payer resources that are so badly needed in other areas of Canadian society such as health care and pensions and most other federal programs that are so badly underfunded.

Nope. It is a good use of taxpayers money (expecially at such a cheap membership fee!) See all the good stuff in the previous posts.

Ninety-five percent of the population of Haiti speaks Haitian Creole

That's French based Haitian Creole, which isn't much of stretch with French proper. Here's an example: to es un tête carré mon.

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Canada is the only nation on earth that originated from a nation (England) that formed a new nation and stuck their former enemy smack dab in the centre - what were we thinking? Now we have to pacify them with cash..kind of like letting a chapter of some bike gang to move into town and we give them cheap affordable houseing.

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Canada is the only nation on earth that originated from a nation (England) that formed a new nation and stuck their former enemy smack dab in the centre - what were we thinking?

I guess everyone figured they would be harmless and keep to themselves with their Quebec Act.

But to-day we know differently----they want CANADA.

Now we have to pacify them with cash..kind of like letting a chapter of some bike gang to move into town and we give them cheap affordable houseing.

Thanks to a string of PM's from Quebec and those socialist Liberals previously stuffed with Quebec MP's who set the stage for Quebec. Minorities rule.

This is dysfunctional politics at it's best.

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What an assinine statement; you know full well that if Canada didn't have a Pacific coast we wouldn't be in the Pacific Rim organizations; or if we were a tropical country we wouldn't be involved in circumpolar organizations nor a founding member of the International Ice Hockey Federation.

And to think it was I who suggested you were just plain dumb.

You must also know that 22.7% of (6.8 million) Canadians cite French as their mother tongue - one of the two official langauges of Canada - which constitutes a 'good enough' percentage to qualify for membership in the OIF.

A dormant mother tongue constitutes absolutely nothing.

Sweet deal. 6$ membership fee for each Francophone. Costs more to go to a Jr B hockey game.

If it is so sweet then let the province of Quebec pay for it rather than all of the tax payers of Canada.

Nope. It is a good use of taxpayers money (expecially at such a cheap membership fee!)

Forty million per year is not cheap.

Let Quebec pursue it's perpetual cultural aspirations rather than burden the ROC.

That's French based Haitian Creole, which isn't much of stretch with French proper.

Haitian Creole grammar differs greatly from French and inflects much more simply: for example, verbs are not inflected for tense or person, and there is no grammatical gender — meaning that adjectives and articles are not inflected according to the noun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Creole_language

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And to think it was I who suggested you were just plain dumb.

You can suggest all you want. I suggest you are a tête carré.

A dormant mother tongue constitutes absolutely nothing.

It does to people with an affinity for the French language and a desire to see it perpetuated who also pay taxes.

If it is so sweet then let the province of Quebec pay for it rather than all of the tax payers of Canada.

Not the way our system works. If you wish to change that, sign up for the next Federal election and whine about it to your community.

Forty million per year is not cheap.

It is when you break it down per person. Which comes to about 6$ for each Francophone. Very cheap.

Let Quebec pursue it's perpetual cultural aspirations rather than burden the ROC.

They do and it is no burden to the ROC.

Haitian Creole grammar differs greatly from French...

Spend sometime in the Pontiac QC. You'll get the idea. But you would never do that would you? Because you might have to buy something to eat and they might not understand 'le hamburger et les fries avec gravy.' :lol:

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You can suggest all you want. I suggest you are a tête carré.

I'll take that back.

I never suggested anything.

I said you were just plain dumb and I was right.

It does to people with an affinity for the French language and a desire to see it perpetuated who also pay taxes.

Let them go back to France and join their friends.

Not the way our system works. If you wish to change that, sign up for the next Federal election and whine about it to your community.

Beg somemore socialist swine.

Spend sometime in the Pontiac QC. You'll get the idea. But you would never do that would you? Because you might have to buy something to eat and they might not understand 'le hamburger et les fries avec gravy.' :lol:

I know the Pontiac quite well and mostly they are all English speaking Canadians.

You must be confused with Gatineau Quebec.

There is a lot of real French Creole in that city.

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I guess everyone figured they would be harmless and keep to themselves with their Quebec Act.

But to-day we know differently----they want CANADA.

I go away for a few months to get a life and guess what... you still do not get it.

Let's get the FACTS straight (even though you won't get them). French-speaking Canadians do not want to have Canada, they only want to be who they know they are - CANADIANS. Don't worry, most people get it.

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I go away for a few months to get a life and guess what... you still do not get it.

You post conflicting statements that don't reflect francophone political realities.

Your views are that of an Ontario francophone.

Let's get the FACTS straight (even though you won't get them).

Your facts are that you agree that Quebec's dictatorial racist language laws and Quebec's official French language are (in your own words), horse ma****.

This is what I basicly think also but have stronger views.

You are in agreement with federal dictatorial language and cultural policies and language and cultural ammendments to our constitution.

I do not share those views.

This in reality is a difference of opinion.

French-speaking Canadians do not want to have Canada, they only want to be who they know they are - CANADIANS. Don't worry, most people get it.

And in Quebec they are Quebecer's first and adhere to a strict cultural and language agenda and are Canadian secondly.

It is nice to hear you are a Canadian.

So am I.

So what is it I don't get?

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You post conflicting statements that don't reflect francophone political realities.

An apt desription of your postings over the last three years or so.

Your views are that of an Ontario francophone.

You get something right once in a while. As for your vuews... they are those of someone who takes his delusions for reality and misses the "good old days" when the "Frenchies" shyt up and did it in English, and when non-White needed not apply to come to this country.

Your facts are that you agree that Quebec's dictatorial racist language laws and Quebec's official French language are (in your own words), horse ma****.

This is what I basicly think also but have stronger views.

I have not used the words dictattorial and racist, but this a secondary issue. The main thing is that YOU have constantly advocated that the Ontario Government does for the English language what the Quebec government has done for the French language. Which would mean, to use your own words, that you favour dictatorial and racist laws when they suit you.

You are in agreement with federal dictatorial language and cultural policies and language and cultural ammendments to our constitution.

It is been established a while ago (and understodd by those who get it) that there is nothing dictatorial in policies and laws adopted by our elected representatvies, especially when they guarantee respect of rights and equality of rights. As for the amendments to the Constitution, of course I agree with them, since they are a good thing.

It is nice to hear you are a Canadian.

Especially since half of the time you claim I am French instead of Canadian.

So am I.

As anyone said otherwise.

So what is it I don't get?

You realy want a list? I'll just start with the five most evident (in no particular order)

You don;t get that you want to do for the English language in Ontario what has been done for the French ;anguage in Quebec.

You don't get how our parliamentary system works

You did not get (and I assume, still do not get) how the notwithstanding clause of the constitution works

You do not, at least half of the time, the fact that I am a Canadian

And you do not get the fact that you do not get it

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You get something right once in a while. As for your vuews... they are those of someone who takes his delusions for reality and misses the "good old days" when the "Frenchies" shyt up and did it in English

No one ever prevented Quebecers from speaking.

But then you could never understand that Quebecers were British subjects and failed to assimilate, like mostly all other immigrants.

and when non-White needed not apply to come to this country.

Previously non-Whites had no interest in coming to Canada as their countries were not in political turmoil and they very well knew Canada was a mainly White, English speaking, Christian country.

I have not used the words dictattorial and racist, but this a secondary issue.

No you have not but nevertheless agreed but never debated that issue.

n thing is that YOU have constantly advocated that the Ontario Government does for the English language what the Quebec government has done for the French language. Which would mean, to use your own words, that you favour dictatorial and racist laws when they suit you.

I believe in referendums when it comes to important issues like language laws and amendments to our constitution relating to culture and language laws.

This is not dictatorial or racist.

It is been established a while ago (and understodd by those who get it) that there is nothing dictatorial in policies and laws adopted by our elected representatvies, especially when they guarantee respect of rights and equality of rights. As for the amendments to the Constitution, of course I agree with them, since they are a good thing.

Our elected representatives are supposed to provide Canadians MP representation, which they don't or they would have referendums to establish citizen concern. MP's tow the party line which is the same as a dictatorial government.

If referendums were used, laws would be based on the result of these referendums.

You realy want a list? I'll just start with the five most evident (in no particular order)

You don;t get that you want to do for the English language in Ontario what has been done for the French ;anguage in Quebec.

I want a defense against French minority rule---especially relating to language and culture.

You don't get how our parliamentary system works

And referendums are NOT against the law.

You did not get (and I assume, still do not get) how the notwithstanding clause of the constitution works

Not relating to a province that never signed our constitution. This is despite what politicians have to say about that issue.

And you do not get the fact that you do not get it

Not your facts.

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No one ever prevented Quebecers from speaking.

I forgot... You don't have a clue to the fact that French-speakinbg Canadians outside Quebec are not (except for those born in Quebec), Quebecers. But hey, feel free to say to an Acadian that he/she is a Quebecer.

And of course, French-speaking Canadians were never prevented for speaking... in English.

But then you could never understand that Quebecers were British subjects and failed to assimilate, like mostly all other immigrants.

I perfectly know that, between 1763 and 1946, French-speaking Canadians were subjects of the British Crown. What you have no clue of is the following facts:

a) not assimilating was NOT and is NOT a failure, quite the contrary

B) no french-speaking Canadian needs to assimilate to anything in order to be a Canadian

c) the vast majority of French-speaking Canadians trace their ancestry here to well before 1763. I am not an immigrant here, my parents and grandparents were not immigrants here, and none of my ancestor to the 10th generation was an immigrant here. Not that it impacts on your right as a Canadian, but unless you can trace your ancestry here as far back as mine, do yourself a favour and don't make a fool of yourself by claiming I'm just an immigrant.

Previously non-Whites had no interest in coming to Canada as their countries were not in political turmoil and they very well knew Canada was a mainly White, English speaking, Christian country.

You mean previously non-Whites were barrd from entering the country unless they could be exploited. Chinese railroad workers were most certainly showing a lack of interest in coming to Canada when they were asking if they could bring their family and they were told no, right

No you have not but nevertheless agreed but never debated that issue.

Now that I finished laughing. I remember full well you blasting me for calling Quebec's language legislation a piece of m*nure - I hardly call that agreement. And the words dictatorial and racist are not words I would use to describe either Quebec language laws or what you propose for Ontario, which is, as you'd know if you had a clue, about the same thing.

I believe in referendums when it comes to important issues like language laws and amendments to our constitution relating to culture and language laws.
You mean as long as you think that it may serves your prejudice. I am still waiting for you to call for a referendum on women's vote.
This is not dictatorial or racist.
I do not think your defense of Quebec-style language laws for Ontario to be either dictatorial or racist. I merely use your own language.
Our elected representatives are supposed to provide Canadians MP representation, which they don't or they would have referendums to establish citizen concern. MP's tow the party line which is the same as a dictatorial government.

I won't wait for the English translation. I'll simply point out that you do not understand how our parliamentary democracy works.. again.

If referendums were used, laws would be based on the result of these referendums.

And a referendum with a result that tramples on citizen's rights still tramples on citizen's rights.

And referendums are NOT against the law.

Cluelss again. A referendum has legal value as long as there is a law confering it legal value. If I organized a referendum tomorrow to ban you from this country (not that I plan to, of course), and even if 99% voted, and they all voted yes, it would have no legal value unless there was a law conferring it legal value.

And in a parliamentary system, a referendum is not needed for acts of the legislature to become law. Don't like it? Well. Nazi Germany was very big on referendums.

Not relating to a province that never signed our constitution. This is despite what politicians have to say about that issue.

Te Constitution still applies to all Canadians. BTW, that you claim that a Cosntitution not adopted by the Quebec Government was imposed by Quebec proves how clueless you are.

Not your facts.

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I said you were just plain dumb and I was right.

You may be right. However, when I compare my views with yours, I am much, much smarter than you, which makes you 'dumber.' You can see this plainly in the way you spew your trolling blockhead views. Not only are a poor-me WASP bigot, but your argumentative style belies an impotency of intellect. Which is to say that even your attempts to self-gratify yourself in public are a failure since the only facts you grasp are terminally limp.

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You may be right. However, when I compare my views with yours, I am much, much smarter than you, which makes you 'dumber.' You can see this plainly in the way you spew your trolling blockhead views. Not only are a poor-me WASP bigot, but your argumentative style belies an impotency of intellect. Which is to say that even your attempts to self-gratify yourself in public are a failure since the only facts you grasp are terminally limp.

Well said. Leafless is Clueless that all Canadians are essentially a metis society and that Canada has its roots in les Canadien, not in the British Empire.

Now...if we could only convince the pur laine of the same thing.... ;)

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And of course, French-speaking Canadians were never prevented for speaking... in English.

All Canadians were always allowed to speak in any language they prefer.

I perfectly know that, between 1763 and 1946, French-speaking Canadians were subjects of the British Crown. What you have no clue of is the following facts:

a) not assimilating was NOT and is NOT a failure, quite the contrary

Prior to Liberal imposed socialist language and cultural policies ALL or most immigrants assimilated.

B) no french-speaking Canadian needs to assimilate to anything in order to be a Canadian

Just a dumb Canadian.

c) the vast majority of French-speaking Canadians trace their ancestry here to well before 1763. I am not an immigrant here, my parents and grandparents were not immigrants here, and none of my ancestor to the 10th generation was an immigrant here.

You are the result of your past families immigrating to Canada.

If they did not immigrate to Canada you would not be here.

You mean previously non-Whites were barrd from entering the country unless they could be exploited. Chinese railroad workers were most certainly showing a lack of interest in coming to Canada when they were asking if they could bring their family and they were told no, right

Canadian companies employ all kinds of temporary foreign workers who are eager and happy to be exploited.

Now that I finished laughing. I remember full well you blasting me for calling Quebec's language legislation a piece of m*nure - I hardly call that agreement. And the words dictatorial and racist are not words I would use to describe either Quebec language laws or what you propose for Ontario, which is, as you'd know if you had a clue, about the same thing.

A quote from Cicero:

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

"But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

"A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

The rest of your post is the same old Canadien crapola.

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Well said. Leafless is Clueless that all Canadians are essentially a metis society and that Canada has its roots in les Canadien, not in the British Empire.

Canadians are certainly NOT the result of promiscuous Aboriginals (Metis).

The British gave us the country of Canada and the country was built basically by White, Christian immigrants who spoke English or learned English and who are still the majority.

And it is not hard to understand why Britain wanted to unload the Canada they gave us.

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All Canadians were always allowed to speak in any language they prefer.

I forgot, you don't know about things like residential schools, or provincial laws that banned the use of french in schools or in court. Until they're mentioned, and then you glorify them. Clueless, I say, clueless.

You are the result of your past families immigrating to Canada.

If they did not immigrate to Canada you would not be here.

I never say that those of my ancestors who came here from elsewhere (BEFORE 1763] were not immigrants. Only that none of my ancestor born since 1763was an immigrant. Unlike you, I tend to have a clue of what I am talking about.

A quote from Cicero:

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

"But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

"A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

I agree with Cicero that a fool is not to be feared - which is why I don't fear you. And Cicero would not doubt agree with me that people who know and protect their rights as Canadians are not traitors.

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Canadians are certainly NOT the result of promiscuous Aboriginals (Metis).

The British gave us the country of Canada and the country was built basically by White, Christian immigrants who spoke English or learned English and who are still the majority.

Until now, I only thought you were clueless. Now I realize I was wrong. You fell asleep during history class and are still sleep-typing.

And it is not hard to understand why Britain wanted to unload the Canada they gave us.

Indeed, Brtiain knew that we could be our own CANADIAN country.

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I forgot, you don't know about things like residential schools, or provincial laws that banned the use of french in schools or in court. Until they're mentioned, and then you glorify them. Clueless, I say, clueless.

Assimilation is good for the economy and makes it easier to obtain things like employment.

A mixed cultural country makes patronage to ones country almost impossible as the political and cultural animosity is always present.

I agree with Cicero that a fool is not to be feared - which is why I don't fear you. And Cicero would not doubt agree with me that people who know and protect their rights as Canadians are not traitors.

I fear what traitorous PM's did to this country out of fictitious non existent rights.

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A mixed cultural country makes patronage to ones country almost impossible as the political and cultural animosity is always present.

Care to translate "patronage to one's country" into English?

I fear what traitorous PM's did to this country out of fictitious non existent rights.

And I fear ghosts. Well... we both fear figments of our imagination.
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