Cyberwar is a reality now

[bjre]

China censors the subjects of democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, Falun Gong, Tibetan independence, Taiwan independence, police brutality, anarchism, pornography, news sources that report on these issues, religious content, etc. They go far far beyond what any western country censors.

All those are CIA created issues. And the other riots happened all around the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

All those are CIA created issues. And the other riots happened all around the world.

Yes...CIA teach China how to copy DVDs and send their students to the west for better education. China even copy mistakes.

[bjre]

Yes...CIA teach China how to copy DVDs and send their students to the west for better education. China even copy mistakes.

Google teachs them how to scan books and break copy right laws.

[maple_leafs182]

They are Neo-Nazis they believe they are a superior race and have the right to exterminate all those they don't consider strong. Look up World War 2.

For a second there i thought u were describing America.

I hope the people in western nations can get more education, and be more knowledgeable to understand that it is the big business that make them lost so much. I hope they can get real democracy that they can truly decide they own life instead of always fooled by media. I hope they can get rid of the fate always be robbed by insurance companies, banks, hospitals, medical companies, CAS and the legal system, and many others. I hope they can live better life someday.

I think it goes beyond big business, big business is controlled by money, private Central Banks issue and regulate money.

Central Banks are the problem, the very thing America fought against in the American Revolution.

The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George the III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War. - Benjamin Franklin

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."-Thomas Jefferson

But nobody really seems to care.

We never try to cure the disease, just the symptoms.

[bush_cheney2004]

Google teachs them how to scan books and break copy right laws.

What copyright laws? LOL!

[bush_cheney2004]

...Central Banks are the problem, the very thing America fought against in the American Revolution.

No...America fought against you...and won.

[maple_leafs182]

No...America fought against you...and won.

whats your point Vanessa?

They didn't fight the war just because they were itching to fight a war.

[bush_cheney2004]

...They didn't fight the war just because they were itching to fight a war.

Right...first they tried it your way by begging your king (monarchy) for relief....that didn't work...so they booted him in the ass instead, a formula that has worked well ever since.

[Michael Hardner]

Are you suggesting that if let the Neo-Nazis gain power, that will lead to kill people. So you think if there is something that could lead to killing, then the Internet content should be censored and blocked?

This is a poorly-laid trap and anybody who knows your style of debating will give you a conditional answer.

In other words, just because there is some internet control for public safety, it doesn't mean that any internet control for any stated reason of safety is reasonable.

[Michael Hardner]

If something will lead to killing I think everything about it should be censored and blocked. These Neo-Nazis have and will kill people.

You fell into bjre's poorly laid trap. In his world, because the Canadian government bans racist groups from churning up violence, China can ban as much free expression as it likes including any criticism of the government itself. bjre is not open-minded or reasonable, IMO.

[Guest TrueMetis]

He would continue to think the same way not matter what I said.

[bjre]

You fell into bjre's poorly laid trap.

There is no trap, just to help you think logically.

In his world, because the Canadian government bans racist groups from churning up violence, China can ban as much free expression as it likes including any criticism of the government itself.

China don't ban free expression that criticism of the government itself. You get that wrong knowledge because those knowledge are banned by western media. If you go to any large forum in China you will find most posts are the criticism of government.

bjre is not open-minded or reasonable, IMO.

I hope you are open-minded enough and can tell your reason on the subject what I have told instead of on myself if you are reasonable.

[bjre]

This is a poorly-laid trap and anybody who knows your style of debating will give you a conditional answer.

Do you think Canada ban death penalty has an condition?

In other words, just because there is some internet control for public safety, it doesn't mean that any internet control for any stated reason of safety is reasonable.

Then why Canada need Internet censorship?

[blueblood]

China don't ban free expression that criticism of the government itself. You get that wrong knowledge because those knowledge are banned by western media. If you go to any large forum in China you will find most posts are the criticism of government.

Bullshit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

All right Einstein, you show us a chinese political internet forum, although it would be pretty dry since there is only one party there.

The Chinese government is the biggest collection of cowards I have ever seen, when was the last time the Canadian army mowed down protesters?

If this poster is the best the Chinese Communist Government has to defend it's malicious actions, then that country is truly pathetic.

[bjre]

Bullshit

That is what you enjoy?

All right Einstein, you show us a chinese political internet forum, although it would be pretty dry since there is only one party there.

Here is the forum of People's Daily (Party's largest newspaper), if you can read Chinese.

http://bbs1.people.com.cn/boardList.do?action=postList&boardId=1&pageNo=1

The Chinese government is the biggest collection of cowards I have ever seen,

Maybe, but the positive side is the world can be more peaceful.

when was the last time the Canadian army mowed down protesters?

September 7, 1995 (6 years after 1989) Dudley George was killed.

If this poster is the best the Chinese Communist Government has to defend it's malicious actions, then that country is truly pathetic.

I don't know how many people will consider Chinese Communist Government is still Communist. I guess maybe Health Canada can be more fit to be called as communist.

[Guest TrueMetis]

September 7, 1995 (6 years after 1989) Dudley George was killed.

Killed by the OPP not the army by Sergeant Kenneth Deane who was found criminally negligent (IMO the sentence was to light) vs Tiananmen Square were is was done by the army ordered by the government and no one was charged for it. Yep sound the same to me

[bjre]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

The riot of Tiananmen in 1989 was created by United State.

Who is Col. Robert Helvey? He was an officer of the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) of the Pentagon, who had served in Vietnam and, subsequently, as the US Defence Attache in Yangon, Myanmar, (1983 to 85) during which he clandestinely organised the Myanmarese students to work behind Aung San Suu Kyi and in collaboration with Bo Mya's Karen insurgent group. He was subsequently based in Thailand where he organised the training of the student and Karen supporters of Aung San Suu Kyi. In 1988-89, he also trained in Hong Kong the student leaders from Beijing in mass demonstration techniques which they were to subsequently use in the Tiananmen Square incident of June,1989. He is now believed to be acting as an adviser to the Falun Gong, the religious sect of China, in similar civil disobedience techniques, which the sect is using with increasing effectiveness against the Chinese authorities. He has ostensibly retired from the DIA in 1991.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers2/paper198.htm

[bjre]

Killed by the OPP not the army by Sergeant Kenneth Deane who was found criminally negligent (IMO the sentence was to light) vs Tiananmen Square were is was done by the army ordered by the government and no one was charged for it. Yep sound the same to me

1995 in Canada, a life of peaceful protest was killed by Canadian Government Machine.

1989 in China, lots of life was lost due to the war between US and China. (the reason see the post before)

[Guest TrueMetis]

The riot of Tiananmen in 1989 was created by United State.http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers2/paper198.htm

Did the U.S. also force them to do the actual protest? Did they force the Chinese Government to have the Chinese Military kill who knows how many protesters? Simple answer no. The Burden of guilt for those deaths are entirely on the Chinese Government and the Military perrsonel who carried out the act.

[bjre]

Did the U.S. also force them to do the actual protest? Did they force the Chinese Government to have the Chinese Military kill who knows how many protesters? Simple answer no. The Burden of guilt for those deaths are entirely on the Chinese Government and the Military perrsonel who carried out the act.

They make the protest becomes riot and use mass violence makes people die before army come. They teach the student to do that. And they are doing the similar thing in many countries and create many un-stable places that killing happened very often. That is the result.

Edited January 18, 2010 by bjre

[Guest TrueMetis]

1995 in Canada, a life of peaceful protest was killed by Canadian Government Machine.

1989 in China, lots of life was lost due to the war between US and China. (the reason see the post before)

1995 A protester was killed by an OPP officer who was then found guilty of the death. A public inquiry was later commisioned to look into exactly what happened. (something that would never be allowed to happen in China) I'm not sure what the results of the inquiry was as I can not find the conclusion anyone know a place I can?

1989 The chinese Government sent the military in to kill protesters. (your reason is crap)

Stop trying to make a comparison. They are not even remotely similar.

[bjre]

1995 A protester was killed by an OPP officer who was then found guilty of the death. A public inquiry was later commisioned to look into exactly what happened. (something that would never be allowed to happen in China) I'm not sure what the results of the inquiry was as I can not find the conclusion anyone know a place I can?

1989 The chinese Government sent the military in to kill protesters. (your reason is crap)

Stop trying to make a comparison. They are not even remotely similar.

It is not same because Canada shows worse human right situation on that.

If Chinese government didn't do that in 1989, Now China maybe not a stable place, maybe now it is already used by terrorists to use as many other bases like Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more people will die.

The result of Chinese government did is they gain a peaceful time for 20 years for its people to build their own better life.

Edited January 18, 2010 by bjre

[Guest TrueMetis]

It is not same because Canada shows worse human right situation on that.

If Chinese government don't do that in 1989, Now China maybe not a stable place, maybe now it is already used by terrorists to use as many other bases like Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more people will die.

The result of Chinese government did is they gain a peaceful time for 20 years for its people to build their own better life.

Right anything to justify killing an untold amount of innocents (expecially when those innocents are the highly ecucated and the only ones that realize that a better life is possible)

[bjre]

to justify killing an untold amount of innocents.

That is what western media did all the time.

[Michael Hardner]

China don't ban free expression that criticism of the government itself. You get that wrong knowledge because those knowledge are banned by western media. If you go to any large forum in China you will find most posts are the criticism of government.

The PRC is known for its intolerance of organized dissent towards the government. Dissident groups are routinely arrested and imprisoned, often for long periods of time and without trial. Incidents of torture, forced confessions and forced labour are widely reported. Freedom of assembly and association is extremely limited. The most recent mass movement for political freedom was crushed in the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, the estimated death toll of which ranges from about 200 to 10,000 depending on sources.[78][79]

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