Body scanners coming to Canadian airports

[William Ashley]

I'm really suprised that nobody has any clue where the extra 3 million dollars to purchase these things went.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I'm really suprised that nobody has any clue where the extra 3 million dollars to purchase these things went.

Wine, women, and song perhaps....

[eyeball]

I don't buy that for a second. I don't see much evidence beyond southern Iraq that the 1953 coup had any substantial effect on the rest of the Muslim world.

I actually think the most substantial effect of the coup was on the U.S. - it jumped, willingly, from grace into depravity. The thrill of success the CIA and the foreign affairs establishment apparently felt was probably not to dissimilar to the illicit thrill that must come from pulling off a successful heist or perhaps rape would be a better analogy.

Their success in Iran emboldened them to start pulling the same shit in other places and the rest is history and here we are.

So, to please these nutjobs we would have to depart from Saudi Arabia and let Israel to its own devices.

Is that what you're asking?

You seem to be saying that's what's inevitable once the oil is gone anyway. Yeah, the sooner we leave these places to their own devices the sooner we'll stop being the object of their hatred. Maybe, if we're lucky and perhaps humble enough.

[eyeball]

Very simple indeed...still waiting for the "hurricanes" from Chile, Honduras, El Salvador, Cuba, Vietnam, Egypt, Jordan, Thailand, Mexico, etc., etc.

Why does it have to be complicated? Every other empire seems to have bitten off more than it could chew. Why's our's so exceptional?

[bush_cheney2004]

I actually think the most substantial effect of the coup was on the U.S. - it jumped, willingly, from grace into depravity. The thrill of success the CIA and the foreign affairs establishment apparently felt was probably not to dissimilar to the illicit thrill that must come from pulling off a successful heist or perhaps rape would be a better analogy.

Oh sure....the entire sucess or failure of the USA in the Cold War pivoted on this one event....guess it worked.

Their success in Iran emboldened them to start pulling the same shit in other places and the rest is history and here we are.

And here they are....running out of refined petroleum products and still licking wounds from the Iran/Iraq war.

You seem to be saying that's what's inevitable once the oil is gone anyway. Yeah, the sooner we leave these places to their own devices the sooner we'll stop being the object of their hatred. Maybe, if we're lucky and perhaps humble enough.

So when can First Nations get a piece of that thinking?

[eyeball]

Oh sure....the entire sucess or failure of the USA in the Cold War pivoted on this one event....guess it worked.

The Cold War was just a campaign, the battle is still to be won, or lost.

And here they are....running out of refined petroleum products and still licking wounds from the Iran/Iraq war.

And yet we piss our pants every time something pivots around this one wounded little country.

So when can First Nations get a piece of that thinking?

You just don't get it do you, they're leading us towards it.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Cold War was just a campaign, the battle is still to be won, or lost.

Nonsense....Eastern Europe gets to enjoy the victory right now.

And yet we piss our pants every time something pivots around this one wounded little country.

Far more "pants pissing" over Cuba after 1953.

You just don't get it do you, they're leading us towards it.

Do as I say...not as I do....got it.

[g_bambino]

How about women only being scanned/analyzed by women security workers?

Why?

[Wilber]

The thing about these things is that they really don't do much, from what the papers are reporting. It seems like they are paying $11 Million dollars to see if you have stuff packed in your clothes. Honestly when was the last time Canada had an air based terrorist attack 1988? Air India? Why not let the airlines cover the costs of security on their multi million dollar planes. The things cost so much, why not let them just build the scanners into the entry, let them control the technology -eg have the scanners in the boarding trolly, etc.. It is already done, but my analysis of the technology shows that anyone who intends to blow themselves up with explosives could still do it, if the stuff only scans the body surface. They are plenty of ways to smuggle explosives internally.

We need to identify these people long before they can get near an aircraft. One way or another, the traveling public will pay for it, whether it is through airport fees charged by airport authorities or taxes and surcharges added to the price of a ticket by government and the airlines. Almost every part of air travel is user pay since the federal government unloaded airports onto the municipalities and made Nav Canada a corporation. CATSA is no different, it is a crown corporation, not a government bureaucracy.

There are not many ways one could smuggle explosives internally and still get access to them during a flight.

I don't have a problem with these scanners but they can only one link in the security chain, not a silver bullet. The important thing is to come up with a system that addresses security concerns with a minimum impact on the efficient operation of a transportation system.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Wilber

[eyeball]

The important thing is to come up with a system that addresses security concerns with a minimum impact on the efficient operation of a transportation system.

The only way to address our insecurity is to address the grievances that underlie terrorism.

[Argus]

Look people, if you want airport and airline security then why not just hire some of the happy folks at EL AL Security.......these guys know how to handle stuff properly.

Will they work for minimum wage? Most of our airport security is in the hands of minumum wage and near minmum wage untrained contracted rent-a-cops, many of whom are recent immigrants and refugees. And the turnover rate is over 100%

[GostHacked]

I'm really suprised that nobody has any clue where the extra 3 million dollars to purchase these things went.

Transportation, implementation, training, support, service contract ect.

[Argus]

I read an article in the star which was interesting. It called for the Israelification of airports. The main detection method isn't racial profiling but behavioural profiling and it makes sense.

The Post has an editorial today which is similar but less politically correct. It flat out states that profiling should be used, and that young Muslim males are the primary proponents of terrorism and should be treated as suspect compared to grandma and grandpa.

The Need For Profiling

[Wilber]

The only way to address our insecurity is to address the grievances that underlie terrorism.

More to the point undermining the reasons terrorists are able to recruit which in part means supporting the moderate Muslim community, not demonizing them. You are kidding yourself if you think there won't always be people prepared to use terror to advance an agenda whether their motives are justified or not. Even more so if we let them know it will work. It's worth remembering terrorists choose to use terror as a weapon regardless of what their apologists say.

In the meantime, we have to do what we can to protect ourselves.

[Oleg Bach]

You need better paid and more intuitively intelligent security people at the airports. Persons that can look a jerk in the eye and know that he is a jerk..Have some stern old retired homocide detectives give the passing passengers the EYE - human eye scanning human eye. Pay them the big bucks and provide a party room where the old boys could get drunk later and have a designated driver take them home. Use some human resources and stop depending on technical things....technology can be twarted...an experieced old cop can not.

[nicky10013]

The Post has an editorial today which is similar but less politically correct. It flat out states that profiling should be used, and that young Muslim males are the primary proponents of terrorism and should be treated as suspect compared to grandma and grandpa.

The Need For Profiling

There's a staggering difference between racial profiling and behavioural profiling. Fox news was saying the same thing that all Arab Muslim men need to be strip searched. How hilarious since the latest incident it was a Nigerian.

[Wilber]

There's a staggering difference between racial profiling and behavioural profiling. Fox news was saying the same thing that all Arab Muslim men need to be strip searched. How hilarious since the latest incident it was a Nigerian.

Well if Fox says so, it must be true. Probably the most reliable indicator of what not to do on the planet.

[Oleg Bach]

There's a staggering difference between racial profiling and behavioural profiling. Fox news was saying the same thing that all Arab Muslim men need to be strip searched. How hilarious since the latest incident it was a Nigerian.

Everybody profiles everyone naturally..If I am walking down the street and see a black kid dressed like a gang banger I am going to profile that fact and take proper measures to protect myself like not looking the jerk in the eye. If a person who has done time and has a tear tattoo on his cheek signifying that he has murdered _ I am going to profile him and stand back out of stabbing range. If some Arabic charater who walks on to a plain with a hateful scowl..I am going to find out though profiling his CHARACTER what his intentions are.. What should be profiled is the western and eastern governments...who fixate on one individual who has the contents of a kids juniour chemistry set hidden in his drawers...There are a thousand other more important issues to address than this one incident.. It seems that the Americans who rule NEED this shit because maybe all they are capable of is ordering a military attack and do not know who to rule a nation or get along with other nations?

[bush_cheney2004]

.....There are a thousand other more important issues to address than this one incident.. It seems that the Americans who rule NEED this shit because maybe all they are capable of is ordering a military attack and do not know who to rule a nation or get along with other nations?

I agree 100%...the Americans aren't experts at running empires on which the sun never sets.

How did that work out?

[Oleg Bach]

I agree 100%...the Americans aren't experts at running empires on which the sun never sets.

How did that work out?

Still in control and watching out for you bud. We learned one thing you did not - the code of keep uh dugh yapp a closed dah. You brag to much - bravado is for ameteurs.

[bush_cheney2004]

Still in control and watching out for you bud. We learned one thing you did not - the code of keep uh dugh yapp a closed dah. You brag to much - bravado is for ameteurs.

Roger that..."keeping mouth shut" was a great strategy for Europe and Asia, then the loud mouth Americans had to clean up the mess (and pay for it).

[Oleg Bach]

Roger that..."keeping mouth shut" was a great strategy for Europe and Asia, then the loud mouth Americans had to clean up the mess (and pay for it).

Sorry - King George kind of like the Germans..in fact our royal family are Germans...I guess it's just an old family loyalty thing...Uncle Krupp needed the buisness...So who sent the first trade delegation to China...us or you? Who cut the first deal with Japan to screw and destroy our domestic car industry...certainly it was not us. Who's cleaning up their own mess as we speak? You?

[bush_cheney2004]

Sorry - King George kind of like the Germans..in fact our royal family are Germans...I guess it's just an old family loyalty thing...Uncle Krupp needed the buisness...

I agree....the mongrel Americans have no patience for that blood line nonsense. It's bombs away...baby!

So who sent the first trade delegation to China...us or you? Who cut the first deal with Japan to screw and destroy our domestic car industry...certainly it was not us. Who's cleaning up their own mess as we speak? You?

China and Japan were not the first screw job for the domestic auto industry....that would be Canada's Auto Pact.

[Oleg Bach]

Hey we were partners. Some time Canadians lie to the ones they love. WAS it not YOU that left tons of beer cans in Japan that they turned inside out and took over the toy car industry internatinally? Was it not you guys who left thousands of old oil drums behind after refeuling your planes in the Carribean that led to that aweful music played at our Carriban Festival every year? I not letting you get off easy - the rest of the world took over the world with the use of American byproduct and waste...and that atomic bomb thing - you stole our Germans...and Nasa..or Naza shall I say...I won't start finger pointing on that brain drain crime.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hey we were partners. Some time Canadians lie to the ones they love.

Sure....partners....just like Johnny Carson's wives....his money and their money equally divided in a divorce order.