Unusual Riding Association Donations

[robert_viera]

Aha, so you're saying that those are transfers from the federal party ? I guess so, but then Robert would have noticed this source elsewhere I would think. And - Robert - where did you get this list ? No link ?

The information is from Elections Canada's web site. I can't provide a direct link, but you can get to the information from here:

http://www.elections.ca/scripts/webpep/fin2/select_associations.aspx?entity=5〈=e

The 'Unidentified' contributions are in Part 2a of the 2007 financial return of the Calgary--Nose Hill Conservative Association. If you click on the names of either 'Unidentified' donors, you get the following address:

City: Calgary

Province: AB

Postal Code: T2L2L2

I checked on Canada Post's web site and found the postal code listed above is for Post Office boxes numbered 67001-67180.

The contributions from 'Conservative Fund Canada' are in Part 2a of the 2007 and 2008 financial returns of the Cape Breton--Canso Conservative Association. Transfers to the riding association from the party are listed in Part 2d of the financial returns.

[robert_viera]

I doubt donations to the Liberal Party made by cheque are made payable directly to the Liberal Party. They are probably made to an agent acting on behalf of the Party. Anyone here donate to the Liberals? If so, please enlighten us.

"The Federal Liberal Agency of Canada", according to http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=pol&document=index&dir=par〈=e&textonly=false#Liberal

[Bryan]

Elections Canada info is wonky at the best of times. People who have made major contributions often don't have their donation ever show up on the site, even though the party has clear records of it.

I don't pay much attention even when Elections Canada is actively investigating irregularities, but they clearly haven't got a clue what the real numbers are.

[robert_viera]

What we should look for is not errors made from $20 donations but rather with $1000 donations! Ordinary people might make a mistake filling out a form to give $20. Nobody who can afford to give $1000 would not fill out the form clearly! No party has the time resources to try to jam a useful amount of money through a zillion $20 mistakes!

So along with perspective comes some common sense, the partisanship of some anti-Harper fanatics not withstanding when they equate a $20 error with the Watergate Affair.

The 'Unidentified' donations are for $250 each, not $20. The donations from 'Conservative Fund Canada', which I agree are probably transfers from the party entered on the wrong part of the return, total more than $1600. The donations from companies to the Ottawa South riding association total $5000.

Incidentally, when donations over $20 are received and the donor cannot be identified, I believe the Canada Elections Act requires that the donations be forfeited to the Chief Electoral Officer, who forwards them to the Receiver General.

Edited January 6, 2010 by robert_viera

[Smallc]

I doubt donations to the Liberal Party made by cheque are made payable directly to the Liberal Party. They are probably made to an agent acting on behalf of the Party. Anyone here donate to the Liberals? If so, please enlighten us.

My last credit card transaction just says Liberal Party Ottawa, but it may very well be the Federal Liberal Agency of Canada.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Smallc

[Michael Hardner]

My last credit card transaction just says Liberal Party Ottawa, but it may very well be the Federal Liberal Agency of Canada.

I'm not sure from your post but this is about contributors not recipients.

[capricorn]

My last credit card transaction just says Liberal Party Ottawa, but it may very well be the Federal Liberal Agency of Canada.

Looks like Michael thinks you're on the Liberal payroll.

[Wild Bill]

The 'Unidentified' donations are for $250 each, not $20. The donations from 'Conservative Fund Canada', which I agree are probably transfers from the party entered on the wrong part of the return, total more than $1600. The donations from companies to the Ottawa South riding association total $5000.

Incidentally, when donations over $20 are received and the donor cannot be identified, I believe the Canada Elections Act requires that the donations be forfeited to the Chief Electoral Officer, who forwards them to the Receiver General.

Hey, I was only commenting on the general situation. It is quite possible you have uncovered something hinky at a specific riding. It happens with all parties and ALL candidates should be watched!

Even if the party is mostly honest doesn't mean that the odd candidate is crooked, or the odd campaign manager. The candidate may have no idea what went on! After all, he doesn't normally do that work himself. He doesn't have time.

That's why we have auditors. Perhaps you've discovered a riding where we need to send some in!

[Alta4ever]

A question why is this such a hot topic yet the forum about liberals not paying off their leadership loans not being discussed....hmmm

[Smallc]

Looks like Michael thinks you're on the Liberal payroll.

Well, it would be nice if I got money. I've tried to stop my donations, but I haven't yet got a response on e-mail.

[Smallc]

I'm not sure from your post but this is about contributors not recipients.

I know that. I wa just trying to answer the question that the poster had asked.

[Shakeyhands]

A question why is this such a hot topic yet the forum about liberals not paying off their leadership loans not being discussed....hmmm

Yes..... HUGE conspiracy. The MSM is behind it.

Pass the tinfoil please!!!

[Martin Chriton]

I don't know, but stoned or straight they are still not dumb enough to vote Conservative. The Conservative demographic is least likely to be intelligent or educated.

NDP voters intelligent? Seems unlikely.

Educated? That's subjective. From my experience the more successful you are the more you care about the outrageous tax rates in the upper brackets, which is why you tend to go right rather then left. When you're in the lower tax bracket you tend to want to go the other way to have others pay for your shortcomings.

The right has a good mix of highly successful people and also rural people. My guess is that rural folks would bring the Conservative's average down in whatever poll you read. However, I wouldn't say a farmer who runs a successful business is less intelligent then some pot smoking arts major with a bachelors degree that makes less then 40-80k a year.

[Michael Hardner]

NDP voters intelligent? Seems unlikely.

Educated? That's subjective. From my experience the more successful you are the more you care about the outrageous tax rates in the upper brackets, which is why you tend to go right rather then left. When you're in the lower tax bracket you tend to want to go the other way to have others pay for your shortcomings.

The right has a good mix of highly successful people and also rural people. My guess is that rural folks would bring the Conservative's average down in whatever poll you read. However, I wouldn't say a farmer who runs a successful business is less intelligent then some pot smoking arts major with a bachelors degree that makes less then 40-80k a year.

Here you go - folks with more education are more likely than the average Canadian to vote NDP or Liberal, and less likely to vote Conservative:

Ekos Poll

University or higher

Conservative 32.9%

Liberal 30.6%

NDP 18.2%

High school or less

Conservative 37.4%

Liberal 22.7%

NDP 16.6%

[Martin Chriton]

Here you go - folks with more education are more likely than the average Canadian to vote NDP or Liberal

That's an interesting spin From the poll those with university and college degrees Conservatives are still the #1 choice for those w/ education:

University or higher

Conservative 32.9%

Liberal 30.6%

NDP 18.2%

It would be interesting to look a bit deeper and see how those with lesser degrees line up against more advanced degrees. My guess is the difference would be even more pronounced.

The "High school or less" poll is another matter. My intuition tells me that has a lot to do rural voters. As I said before, a successful farmer undoubtedly has more intelligence than some of those schmucks which graduate university these days.

[nicky10013]

That's an interesting spin From the poll those with university and college degrees Conservatives are still the #1 choice for those w/ education:

University or higher

Conservative 32.9%

Liberal 30.6%

NDP 18.2%

It would be interesting to look a bit deeper and see how those with lesser degrees line up against more advanced degrees. My guess is the difference would be even more pronounced.

The "High school or less" poll is another matter. My intuition tells me that has a lot to do rural voters. As I said before, a successful farmer undoubtedly has more intelligence than some of those schmucks which graduate university these days.

It's different kind of intelligence. Sure, farmers know how to raise a crop but do they know how to run a country? Let me guess, "some of those schmucks" are just those that break Liberal.

There was an interesting study done. A media outlet took the median IQ scores of all 50 states. The states with the highest average IQs without exception went democratic. People who are rich vote conservative because they know, or at least believe, that conservatives will lower their taxes. Poor people vote NDP or Liberal because they figure they'll get more assistance. Being well off or poor has nothing to do with your general intelligence level in terms of governance. People who are actually educated tend to vote Liberal. Why? Pragmatism. People realize that there's more than just ideology. We have the statistical knowledge to excel and its bad knews for the NDP and Conservatives. For the NDP protectionist policies simply destroy jobs so the notion of the noble unionized manufacturing job is frankly dead and needs to be replaced with an ideas economy of the future. We know that the conservative social values and the ways in which we deal with crime, homosexuality, drugs, the environment and a whole litany of other issues are dead wrong and need to be reveresed. Who offers the solution to both? The Liberal Party.

The combination of more fiscally conservative economics with more socially progressive liberal policies was founded by Tony Blair's New Labour Party and the so called "Third Way" politics was embraced by Bill Clinton, Jean Chretien, Obama. When truly educated people see success and want to emulate it, they're usually pointing to countries that have embraced the third way whether they know the term for it or not. People get confused because it's both conservative and quasi-socialist at the same time yet it's neither because it isn't ideological, it's politics based purely on pragmatism which in the end is the best way to run a country.

Edited January 12, 2010 by nicky10013

[robert_viera]

Getting back to the original topic of this thread, here are some more contributions to riding associations for your consideration:

Some more contributors with unusual names:

Contribution A. 2006-01-12 105.00 0.00 105.00 Brampton--Springdale Conservative Association ON Conservative 2006

Contribution B. 010316 2006-04-20 155.00 0.00 155.00 Brampton--Springdale Conservative Association ON Conservative 2006

Contribution C. 009966 2006-05-17 600.20 0.00 600.20 Brampton--Springdale Conservative Association ON Conservative 2006

Contribution D. 009485 2006-05-17 1060.00 0.00 1060.00 Brampton--Springdale Conservative Association ON Conservative 2006

[Michael Hardner]

That's an interesting spin From the poll those with university and college degrees Conservatives are still the #1 choice for those w/ education:

University or higher

Conservative 32.9%

Liberal 30.6%

NDP 18.2%

Certainly, Harper was the number one choice of Canadians, and the numbers for each side change from time to time but the question is what is the trend for those with higher education ? The answer is that they tend to vote left.

Surely you've read some of the threads on here about leftism in academia. That must have some impact, no ?

It would be interesting to look a bit deeper and see how those with lesser degrees line up against more advanced degrees. My guess is the difference would be even more pronounced.

The "High school or less" poll is another matter. My intuition tells me that has a lot to do rural voters. As I said before, a successful farmer undoubtedly has more intelligence than some of those schmucks which graduate university these days.

I looked at the post-grad question in another thread recently, and found that the difference was more pronounced - that post-grads were even more likely to vote left.

Your last paragraph was interesting. Having found that your initial guess that educated people tended towards conservatives was wrong, you changed your mind and decided that uneducated people are actually smart farmers. Nice.

[Oleg Bach]

Harper and the boys would still thrive even if every last riding association recieved nothing! Harper is establishement..and establishment control the banks..and the banks have lots of cash - to the point where they can leverage without using a penny - rich people spend invisable coins as they say - and Harper along with having no clothes has no money...because he knows he does not need it.

[bush_cheney2004]

...There was an interesting study done. A media outlet took the median IQ scores of all 50 states. The states with the highest average IQs without exception went democratic....

Cite please...this assertion does not hold up to closer scrutiny even if one takes such "scores" seriously. Not even for the "50 states" in Canada.

http://www.top50states.com/average-iq-score.html

[Oleg Bach]

Cite please...this assertion does not hold up to closer scrutiny even if one takes such "scores" seriously. Not even for the "50 states" in Canada.

http://www.top50states.com/average-iq-score.html

Impossible! Human beings can not and will not settle in blocks as large as states - who are of the same level of intelligence - who would do the work?

[bush_cheney2004]

Impossible! Human beings can not and will not settle in blocks as large as states - who are of the same level of intelligence - who would do the work?

Mexicans.

[Oleg Bach]

Mexicans.

Thanks for the morning laugh. So the Muslim is now the new Jew to kick around and the Mexican is the new negro? Looks like hings worked out pretty good.

[bush_cheney2004]

Thanks for the morning laugh. So the Muslim is now the new Jew to kick around and the Mexican is the new negro? Looks like hings worked out pretty good.

That's right.....many Mexican legals and illegals work very hard....coming to a province near you.

[Oleg Bach]

That's right.....many Mexican legals and illegals work very hard....coming to a province near you.

I have only seen a couple of pairs wander by in the last two years...BUT north of the city where we have some great soil - the Holland Marsh - there are tons of them already - and down around our little tobacco belt..where even I as a kid went to pick the weed - ONCE! and hated it... To tell you the truth - I know of one Mexian - a jazzy rock drummer - but he is not your average peasant worker...He looks like part of their royal family..and he will not be picking carrots as far as I can tell...as for the labourers - I believe that once I get use to the culture I will like them...I like those from poor places- If you are good to them they are good to you. Where as our snobs don't care about being good or kind to their fellow human beings...send them up - but no hooligans or drug runners please.