Canadian Political Polls

[wyly]

No real problems? The budget looks great, right on target! Debt levels are fine, no problem there. Cuts to social programs are on the way, and Ontario is juggling the books to become a have not province...its all wonderful.

I will leave this place when I retire, because you folks will have it your way.

the problems we have in alberta are of our doing the conservative governments are crap money managers...running a government is not like running a business.... blaming Canada isn't going to work...

[Jerry J. Fortin]

the problems we have in alberta are of our doing the conservative governments are crap money managers...running a government is not like running a business.... blaming Canada isn't going to work...

I don't blame anyone. I am just man enough to admit that the system is not perfect and in fact far from it. I am saying that we need to do something about it. Failing that we should leave. Since the dingbats outnumber me it looks like I will leave.

[wyly]

I don't blame anyone. I am just man enough to admit that the system is not perfect and in fact far from it. I am saying that we need to do something about it. Failing that we should leave. Since the dingbats outnumber me it looks like I will leave.

and that's why we have immigration, people are always looking for greener pastures or just somewhere that's a better personal fit for them, my grandfather did it, my father did it, I did it and likely some of my kids will too...

[waldo]

yup looney...there was poll by the western standard(wacko) that said 42% should look at separation, but that's hardly the same as actually doing so, it also claimed 35% support in Sask which interesting since there was a separatist party there and where they now? in spite of all this supposed support not a single person advocating this has been elected in any western province...

Dick Culver of Saskatchewan Progressive Conservative Party decided once elected to create a new Unionest party (2 members) to separate from canada, once he did that his political days were numbered...he's never been heard from since...

no kidding! Consider the actual Western Standard poll (loaded, mealy-mouthed) statement:

Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country.

say what? It's absolutely comical to give that statement any legitimacy, particularly in contrast to such examples as:

- the 1995 Quebec referendum

Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

or

- the 1980 Quebec referendum

The Gov't of Quebec has made public its proposal to negotiate a new agreement with the rest of Canada, based on the equality of nations; this agreement would enable Quebec to acquire the exclusive power to make its laws, levy its taxes and establish relations abroad — in other words, sovereignty — and at the same time to maintain with Canada an economic association including a common currency; any change in political status resulting from these negotiations will only be implemented with popular approval through another referendum; on these terms, do you give the Government of Quebec the mandate to negotiate the proposed agreement between Quebec and Canada?

fringe Alberta separatists... protecting that unique Alberta culture and way of life and willing to split the country on presumptive egregious economic grounds.

[normanchateau]

I didn't realize that all the university educated people were young.

The results for those under 25 differed in some ways from the university educated, notwithstanding some overlap. For example, the under 25's were more likely to vote Green than either CPC or NDP. Here's the breakdown:

CPC 18.7%

LPC 29.4%

NDP 17.0%

Green 20.8%

Bloc 12.7%

Other 1.3%

The good news for Harper is that those under 25 tend not to vote. The bad news is that the university educated, 39.8% of whom are now favouring LPC, tend to vote.

[Shakeyhands]

More then you get out of your province I bet. Manitoba semi anually, the east coast, and Ontario Annually.

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Ummmm...... not sure you want to hear this but... I took a poll here in Ontario, the VAST majority would like you to forego this years visit!! :-)

and btw, it's my belief that seperatists should be shot as traitors, regardless of which province they come from.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Shakeyhands

[Smallc]

The results for those under 25 differed in some ways from the university educated, notwithstanding some overlap.

That was mostly directed at Wild Bill, since he seemed to be implying that anyone with a university education is young and stupid. That isn't the case.

[blueblood]

That was mostly directed at Wild Bill, since he seemed to be implying that anyone with a university education is young and stupid. That isn't the case.

So your implying that those without a university education are automatically stupid?

There is a difference between intelligence and learning something.

[Smallc]

I fint it interesting how you can take what I say and twist it into something that I didn't say. I don't have a university education, so if I said what you seem to be implying, then I must be calling myself stupid. I didn't like it there, so I quit and went to Red River College.

[ToadBrother]

So your implying that those without a university education are automatically stupid?

There is a difference between intelligence and learning something.

Indeed there is. But when you have legal and constitutional experts be dismissed as an "elitists" when they say "We're not too sure what you guys are doing", one wonders if perhaps this "book larnin' don't makes ya smart" line that you Tories spend so much time repeating is being overstated.

[blueblood]

Indeed there is. But when you have legal and constitutional experts be dismissed as an "elitists" when they say "We're not too sure what you guys are doing", one wonders if perhaps this "book larnin' don't makes ya smart" line that you Tories spend so much time repeating is being overstated.

Any side has a point at this, left or right. Those experts can have that constitution memorized and the legal system memorized, but that doesn't mean a whit if they don't have the mental capacity to utilize the information that they have stored.

[nicky10013]

Any side has a point at this, left or right. Those experts can have that constitution memorized and the legal system memorized, but that doesn't mean a whit if they don't have the mental capacity to utilize the information that they have stored.

Having the constitution memorized is better than not knowing it all which is frankly where Harper et al are coming from.

[blueblood]

Having the constitution memorized is better than not knowing it all which is frankly where Harper et al are coming from.

Hooray for Nicky's ignorance!!!

Dion thought that too, and Harper fixed his little red wagon!

[nicky10013]

Hooray for Nicky's ignorance!!!

Dion thought that too, and Harper fixed his little red wagon!

It's not ignorance. When you base your anti-coalition strategy on being an illegal coup d'etat or refuse to hand over documents to parliament, they're either ignorant of the constitution or purposefully neglecting it. By all means, take your pick as to which is worse.

[blueblood]

It's not ignorance. When you base your anti-coalition strategy on being an illegal coup d'etat or refuse to hand over documents to parliament, they're either ignorant of the constitution or purposefully neglecting it. By all means, take your pick as to which is worse.

Good thing they prorogued parliament which is also in the constitution. Dion played the constitution technicality game and lost. Ignatieff isn't faring much better.

[Smallc]

Ignatieff isn't fairing much better? Well, lets just wait and see what happens when Parliament finds members of the government in contempt and brings them before the bar.

[capricorn]

Well, lets just wait and see what happens when Parliament finds members of the government in contempt and brings them before the bar.

Yes, that will be interesting and may in fact lead to a court challenge. Also to watch is if Ignatieff will get a bump from raising the abortion issue in response to Harper's plan to push for improving maternal and child welfare in third world countries. Oooohhhh, that will be quite the debate, if the Conservatives bite of course. We wanted policy, looks like Ignatieff is serving it up.

[Smallc]

Yes, that will be interesting and may in fact lead to a court challenge.

Actually, it could lead to members of the government being thrown in jail. I doubt it will come to that, but it's possible.

[ToadBrother]

Hooray for Nicky's ignorance!!!

Dion thought that too, and Harper fixed his little red wagon!

Since the other Tory supporters seem so unwilling to answer the question, I'll ask you. Is Parliament supreme or not? Is it constitutionally permissible for a government to deprive Parliament of complete and unredacted documents that it demands?

Yes or no will do.

[Wild Bill]

Since the other Tory supporters seem so unwilling to answer the question, I'll ask you. Is Parliament supreme or not? Is it constitutionally permissible for a government to deprive Parliament of complete and unredacted documents that it demands?

Yes or no will do.

Well, I guess if Elections Canada will give liberals extension after extension with their campaign debts, contrary to the laws of the Elections Act, then Parliament is NOT supreme!

If politicians can get a free pass with the money then why should they worry about anything else they might do as a transgression?

[nicky10013]

Well, I guess if Elections Canada will give liberals extension after extension with their campaign debts, contrary to the laws of the Elections Act, then Parliament is NOT supreme!

If politicians can get a free pass with the money then why should they worry about anything else they might do as a transgression?

Bahahah, sorry TB, another dodge from a loyal party hack.

Anyways, as I said before in possibly another thread, perhaps elections Canada is giving extensions because the candidates are paying it back, just at incredibly slow rates. The time I was in downtown Toronto for university, it seemed like there was a fundraiser every week to pay down some guy's leadership debt.

There's a difference between that and a national campaign spending 1.5 million over the cap.

[nicky10013]

Good thing they prorogued parliament which is also in the constitution. Dion played the constitution technicality game and lost. Ignatieff isn't faring much better.

Another funny post. We all know prorogation has never been used to sidestep democracy. As for Ignatieff not faring any better, looks to me like he got a 7 point bump on this. From 23 to 31? Yeah, not much better at all.

As for the abortion issue, whether or not he gets the tories to bite, it shores up support of women and the Liberals can't win without them. Recent polls had them up slightly with women so I wager it's more of way to boost those numbers further and if Harper or one of his cronies takes the bait it's not just a win but a double win.

[capricorn]

As for the abortion issue, whether or not he gets the tories to bite, it shores up support of women and the Liberals can't win without them. Recent polls had them up slightly with women so I wager it's more of way to boost those numbers further and if Harper or one of his cronies takes the bait it's not just a win but a double win.

Before foisting on Canadians a debate they don't want and put to rest some time ago, Ignatieff should first be concerned about this wedge issue dividing his caucus.

But it won’t just be Tories who split on abortion, thus wasting Parliament’s time on an issue most Canadians consider, and want, to remain settled.

Note the following reaction from pro-life Liberal MP Paul Szabo, who said Ignatieff doesn’t even speak for everyone in his own caucus. “I am a pro-life MP and there are many of my colleagues in the Liberal caucus who will protect the unborn in their decisions as Parliamentarians, and should matters come before the House, they will continue to act accordingly,” Szabo told a pro-life website.

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2010/02/05/12758001-qmi.html

We're back to the Liberals exposing their dirty laundry again for all to see. Ignatieff put the cart before the horse and is being called out for it. Serves him right.

[blueblood]

Well, I guess if Elections Canada will give liberals extension after extension with their campaign debts, contrary to the laws of the Elections Act, then Parliament is NOT supreme!

If politicians can get a free pass with the money then why should they worry about anything else they might do as a transgression?

Hell lets throw in sponsorship in there too, if Chretien and Martin got away with that, something must be wrong.

[blueblood]

Another funny post. We all know prorogation has never been used to sidestep democracy. As for Ignatieff not faring any better, looks to me like he got a 7 point bump on this. From 23 to 31? Yeah, not much better at all.

As for the abortion issue, whether or not he gets the tories to bite, it shores up support of women and the Liberals can't win without them. Recent polls had them up slightly with women so I wager it's more of way to boost those numbers further and if Harper or one of his cronies takes the bait it's not just a win but a double win.

He's still not leading. Let him try and demand an election again. In case you haven't noticed polls get volatile when it comes to prorogue time. Hell the tories had close to 50% during Dion's little game.

Nobody in their right mind is going to have that debate. Harper already knows how to put these ridiculous debates under the bus.