wulf42 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Once again the Liberals and NDP try to play politics to bring down Harper, you gotta wonder how low they will go? All this concern over Taliban prisoner's you know the same guys that send our soldiers home in boxes? While the Americans welcome home and fully stand behind their soldiers we here in Canada tear ourselves up over what happens to enemy prisoners! We didn't torture them their own countrymen did and so what? that isn't our problem. I have little hope for this Country the future looks pretty bleak when your Country worries more about the enemy over its own Military. My Grandfather is 91 and a WW2 vet we talked not long ago about todays situation and he said it was so different in the 40's they had the full support of the Country and felt proud to be Canadian...he doesn t feel that way anymore. Back in WW2 there were many instances SS Soldiers were shot on capture nobody complained about that yet The Country is in an uproar over a few Taliban??? God help us. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1157270.html Edited December 12, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 Once again the Liberals and NDP try to play politics to bring down Harper, you gotta wonder how low they will go? All this concern over Taliban prisoner's you know the same guys that send our soldiers home in boxes? While the Americans welcome home and fully stand behind their soldiers we here in Canada tear ourselves up over what happens to enemy prisoners! We didn't torture them their own countrymen did and so what? that isn't our problem. I have little hope for this Country the future looks pretty bleak when your Country worries more about the enemy over its own Military. My Grandfather is 91 and a WW2 vet we talked not long ago about todays situation and he said it was so different in the 40's they had the full support of the Country and felt proud to be Canadian...he doesn t feel that way anymore. Back in WW2 there were many instances SS Soldiers were shot on capture nobody complained about that yet The Country is in an uproar over a few Taliban??? God help us. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1157270.html I feel sad for your grandfather, but today is a different world, with much less consensus and many more channels for debate. He shouldn`t be discouraged by the noise of discussion, but rather encouraged that the rights that he fought for - freedom of expression - can now by used by the citizenry more easily than ever. Thank him for me. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
wulf42 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) I feel sad for your grandfather, but today is a different world, with much less consensus and many more channels for debate. He shouldn`t be discouraged by the noise of discussion, but rather encouraged that the rights that he fought for - freedom of expression - can now by used by the citizenry more easily than ever. Thank him for me. I agree a healthy debate is not a bad thing, but when the country has become immobilized and the threat of an election exists at every turn while so many people are out of work and business are closing....this Issue should be the last thing we should be concerned about! It is just simply political wrangling at any cost and that is not good for Canada. Edited December 12, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 I agree a healthy debate is not a bad thing, but when the country has become immobilized and the threat of an election exists at every turn while so many people are out of work and business are closing....this Issue should be the last thing we should be concerned about! It is just simply political wrangling at any cost and that is not good for Canada. I do think that people are wary of political posturing, however this issue won`t play out that way. The major parties have enough money to pre-check such things with polling organizations if they`re unsure. That said, this could go very wrong for the Liberals or the Conservatives for that matter if they don`t play the politics correctly. I am glad that there was an about-face this week, as it may change the focus of the discussion into questioning what exactly is going on, rather than the politics of accusation and defense. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 I agree a healthy debate is not a bad thing... I don't believe you. Your appeal to patriotism and attacking any dissenters as being traitors is precisely the approach the Harper government has taken. Its failing them as badly as its failing you. this Issue should be the last thing we should be concerned about! It is just simply political wrangling at any cost and that is not good for Canada. Its obvious you really don't want to see any debate/wrangling going on at all. I suspect Harper is fervently wishing/praying Canadians would put it all out of their minds too but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
wulf42 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Posted December 12, 2009 Its obvious you really don't want to see any debate/wrangling going on at all. I suspect Harper is fervently wishing/praying Canadians would put it all out of their minds too but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. Funny he still leads in the polls!! Quote
eyeball Posted December 12, 2009 Report Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Enjoy your fun while you can I guess. Edited December 12, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
madmax Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 It appears things are worse for the CPC then I expected. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conservative-boycott-shuts-down-afghan-detainee-hearing/article1401524/ This appears to be the beginning of the end. Peter Tinsley, the outgoing head of a commission probing the Afghan detainee controversy said Friday that Ottawa's refusal to extend his term so he could finish the job contributes to a “chilling effect” on cabinet-appointed watchdogs charged with keeping government accountable. The Tories are fighting opposition attempts to follow the paper trail surrounding detainees after stunning military revelations last Wednesday that a Canadian-captured detainee was abused in June, 2006, after being handed over to the Afghans, contrary to Tory government assurances that there was no evidence prisoners were tortured. Heads are gonna to roll.... Quote
M.Dancer Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Heads are gonna to roll.... Have the Liberals recruited a star Taliban candidate? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Battletoads Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 So it is uncanadian to not want out troops being an acessory to torture? Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Sir Bandelot Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Have the Liberals recruited a star Taliban candidate? No need to, the Cons are doing fine all on their own emulating the Taliban. Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 No need to, the Cons are doing fine all on their own emulating the Taliban. How are you able to make such an asinin statement? Do you really think that we are in a country remotely similar to what Afganistan was? I don't understand how people like you can be so utterly stupid and make such ridiculous comments. but please indulge me in what way are we remotely close to the taliban in Canada? What rights have been removed from you? When was you hand or anyone elses removed for stealing? When did we last see someone stoned in this country, or have acid thrown in their face? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
DrGreenthumb Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 When did we last see someone stoned in this country, or have acid thrown in their face? I saw someone stoned just this afternoon around 4:20 pm. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 How are you able to make such an asinin statement? It's easy. Where were you with Damncers own assinine statement? Did you have your head in your assinine? Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 I saw someone stoned just this afternoon around 4:20 pm. I thought you might have me on ignore Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 It's easy. Where were you with Damncers own assinine statement? Did you have your head in your assinine? I suggest you stop licking your prostate and take a breath before you pass out. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Sir Bandelot Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 but please indulge me in what way are we remotely close to the taliban in Canada? What rights have been removed from you? When was you hand or anyone elses removed for stealing? When did we last see someone stoned in this country, or have acid thrown in their face? We don't need to do that ourselves, just ask others to do it quietly for us, away from the media. Like Maher Arar. His rights were removed, by removing him. Thats how we do it, western style Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Like Maher Arar. His rights were removed, by removing him. Thats how we do it, western style Seems to me justice was done in his case how much was he awared. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Sir Bandelot Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Seems to me justice was done in his case how much was he awared. True, but thats because we have something called laws. Very annoying little detail that keeps these politicians in line. But only if they get caught! So, there ya go. It's all the same... but don't get me wrong, I would never defend the Liberals. Meanwhile you folks have a nice day out there in Alberta... stay warm. I heard its -50. How do you Albertans stay alive, man? You must have too keep your head up a cows ass, or someting Just kidding Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Meanwhile you folks have a nice day out there in Alberta... stay warm. I heard its -50. How do you Albertans stay alive, man? You must have too keep your head up a cows ass, or someting Just kidding Should be through it now, but it takes a hearty type and a lot of carbon to survive on the prairie. I wish gore was right I would be begging everone on this form to run vehicles day and night. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Mr.Canada Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 There is no issue. These people are the enemy. I don't think the average Canadian really cares whether some people who were trying to murder Canadians gets treated badly or not. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
with_distinction Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 Might as well sign up! http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/resignation-of-defence-minister-peter-mackay.html Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Might as well sign up! http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/resignation-of-defence-minister-peter-mackay.html Pretty lame petition....it's riddled with "Stop Climate Change Now!". In addition to ousting MacKay, these guys are not only going to stop Global Warming....they're going to actually stop the Earth's climate from changing. What a bunch of naive, wooly headed, bozos. Sad as it is, our Universities are churning out more of these non-thinkers every day. Their parents must be seething to see all that money wasted. Edited December 17, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 There is no issue. These people are the enemy. I don't think the average Canadian really cares whether some people who were trying to murder Canadians gets treated badly or not. IF NATO wasn't there they wouldn't be getting killed! NATO went there to get OBL but he not there and NATO doesn't know for SURE where he is or even if he is ALIVE, so why are we there?? Plan "B" ..to build schools, to free women etc. The reasons have to changed so many times and the truth is NATO shouldn't be there. The reason we are there....control over the Middle-East, including natural resources. I don't believe Canadians should be dying for that! Quote
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 IF NATO wasn't there they wouldn't be getting killed! NATO went there to get OBL but he not there and NATO doesn't know for SURE where he is or even if he is ALIVE, so why are we there?? Too ensure OBL doesn't come back. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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