Ft Hood Terror Attack

[DogOnPorch]

Well, that was a waste of time.

Now, how does this person's prejudiced views show anything ?

Here's a retort for you DoP -

Next...

Ditto re: waste of time. I'm not Christian, btw. The difference is that many folks actually listen to guys like Dr Naik and Khalid Yasin . Your fellow seems to barely have 3000 views. So, let's ask all around. Why, in yor opinion, are there no churches in Saudi Arabia?

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

Because it's a dictatorship run by a family who wants to keep up appearances. They're also a US ally and friend btw.

Is that the reason?

[GostHacked]

Perhaps. Why, in your opinion, are there no churches in Saudi Arabia?

I don't know if I actually have an opinion on that. But I will say that most of the violence from Islam is comming from Saudi Arabia. I advocated slamming them down before places like Afghanistan or Iraq.. even Iran. Yet for some reason the House of Saud is welcomed in the USA complete with red carpet. If Islam and Muslims are responsible for 9/11, Saudi Arabia should be the first target.

[DogOnPorch]

I don't know if I actually have an opinion on that. But I will say that most of the violence from Islam is comming from Saudi Arabia. I advocated slamming them down before places like Afghanistan or Iraq.. even Iran. Yet for some reason the House of Saud is welcomed in the USA complete with red carpet. If Islam and Muslims are responsible for 9/11, Saudi Arabia should be the first target.

It isn't because all the other religions are "wrong" then? Seems to be a common theme I hear as Islam comes after the others and claims to be the final word of God.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

Ditto re: waste of time. I'm not Christian, btw. The difference is that many folks actually listen to guys like Dr Naik and Khalid Yasin . Your fellow seems to barely have 3000 views. So, let's ask all around. Why, in yor opinion, are there no churches in Saudi Arabia?

You're not Christian ? Ok, my mistake. You don't seem to pick up on the Christian eccentrics with the same fervor.

The difference is that many folks listen to guys like that. So it's got nothing to do with the religion, then - just the gullibility of some followers.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP,

It isn't because all the other religions are "wrong" then? Seems to be a common theme I hear as Islam comes after the others and claims to be the final word of God.

It's not what you're hearing, it's what you're seeking out and listening to that's the concern. When the topic of Islam comes up, you're ready to cherry-pick extremist comments and fuzzily associate them with Muslims here although the link is always tenuous, though not so in your mind.

[eyeball]

It isn't because all the other religions are "wrong" then? Seems to be a common theme I hear as Islam comes after the others and claims to be the final word of God.

You've never heard any other religion claim this? Just how stupid do you think other people think you are?

[DogOnPorch]

DoP,

It's not what you're hearing, it's what you're seeking out and listening to that's the concern. When the topic of Islam comes up, you're ready to cherry-pick extremist comments and fuzzily associate them with Muslims here although the link is always tenuous, though not so in your mind.

Sure...it's all my fault...lol.

Allah's Snackbar!

[DogOnPorch]

You've never heard any other religion claim this? Just how stupid do you think other people think you are?

Islam is from the 7th century AD. This makes it the iconoclast...not the other way around. By intentionally usurping the other religion's holy figures suggests that Islam had a plan to end-run the other 'peoples of the book' by default.

Guy With Scimitar: Guess what? Your holy men are now our holy men. You can accept this absolute fact and become a Muslim or Dhimmi-up and pay the Jizya. Or...to be fair...you could meet Mr Slashy, here (brandishing away)...your choice.

Goat Herder: Ulp...sounds like a plan. Five times a day you say??

Edited November 6, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

Sure...it's all my fault...lol.

:lol:

Allah's Snackbar!

Ok, you explain it then ? Why do you consistently focus on the comments of the fringe and try to represent that as the views of all Muslims ?

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

Ok, you explain it then ? Why do you consistently focus on the comments of the fringe and try to represent that as the views of all Muslims ?

When have I stated that this is the view of all Muslims? I'm very specific as to what I don't like. I don't like religion. I don't like Islam in particular for what it represents. I'm sure there are millions of Muslims who wish all these bomb-tossing radicals whould take a valium. But they're not the ones that open fire on unarmed men while yelling Allahu Akbar, are they?

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

When have I stated that this is the view of all Muslims? I'm very specific as to what I don't like. I don't like religion. I don't like Islam in particular for what it represents. I'm sure there are millions of Muslims who wish all these bomb-tossing radicals whould take a valium. But they're not the ones that open fire on unarmed men while yelling Allahu Akbar, are they?

How about on this very thread - "Islam comes after the others".

You're ignoring the point - that a single act by an extremist is highlighted by you as typifying the religion somehow. If it were just lazy thinking that would be one thing, but it's willfully lazy and used to try to persuade others through faulty logic.

[GostHacked]

It isn't because all the other religions are "wrong" then? Seems to be a common theme I hear as Islam comes after the others and claims to be the final word of God.

I would say ALL religions that promote a single deity are wrong. Christianity, Catholisism, Judiasm, Islam ect .. all promote a single deity and have absolutely no room for any other religions deity. All religions think they are right. All religions have been like this ever since religion was invented.

Either, one is right, or they are all right, or some are right, or none of them are right. The fight ... errrr debate continues.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

How about on this very thread - "Islam comes after the others".

Islam did come onto the World stage after all the other major religions. It also came with a chip on its shoulder. Ask everybody right up to Charles Martell.

You're ignoring the point - that a single act by an extremist is highlighted by you as typifying the religion somehow. If it were just lazy thinking that would be one thing, but it's willfully lazy and used to try to persuade others through faulty logic.

What is typical for Islam if you don't mind me asking?

Edited November 6, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

I would say ALL religions that promote a single deity are wrong. Christianity, Catholisism, Judiasm, Islam ect .. all promote a single deity and have absolutely no room for any other religions deity. All religions think they are right. All religions have been like this ever since religion was invented.

Either, one is right, or they are all right, or some are right, or none of them are right. The fight ... errrr debate continues.

I'll repeat this bit...you're a good dude Gosthacked. I'm an atheist as I'm sure you recall from other conversations.

Guy With Scimitar: Guess what? Your holy men are now our holy men. You can accept this absolute fact and become a Muslim or Dhimmi-up and pay the Jizya. Or...to be fair...you could meet Mr Slashy, here (brandishing away)...your choice.

Goat Herder: Ulp...sounds like a plan. Five times a day you say??

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

Islam did come onto the World stage after all the other major religions. It also came with a chip on its shoulder. Ask everybody right up to Charles Martell.

Ok - so I guess you're acknowledging my answer that you generalized about all Muslims on this very thread. And now you're starting up with generalizations again. "A religion with a chip on its shoulder"... couldn't you say that about protestantism.

But then again, you haven't acknowledged a point yet so I doubt you'll acknowledge this either.

What is typical for Islam if you don't mind me asking?

Let's see... a religion that includes 1.5 billion people, including progressive Western people, and people from the farthest corners of the earth of all cultures and races... I don't think there's much that they have in common and that's the point.

[naomiglover]

Does this Muslim guy who killed 13 people represent Islam as much as the Jewish guy who killed 29 people at a mosque, represents Judaism?

What do you say DogOnPorch? jbg?

[Guest American Woman]

Does this Muslim guy who killed 13 people represent Islam as much as the Jewish guy who killed 29 people at a mosque, represents Judaism?

What do you say DogOnPorch? jbg?

While I don't think he "represents" Islam, I do think the problems between extremist-Islam/the-rest-of-the-world could have been a factor. Do you not see that possibility?

[GostHacked]

I'll repeat this bit...you're a good dude Gosthacked. I'm an atheist as I'm sure you recall from other conversations.

Well thanks much Dog! Yeah, I know you are an athiest. Part of the reason I made that post. Simply because you would understood that view.

Guy With 2 Tablets: Guess what? You have no other holy man than the one I represent. You can accept this absolute fact and become a Christian. Or...to be fair...you could meet Mr Slashy, here (brandishing away)...your choice.

Goat Herder: Ulp...sounds like a plan. 10 commandments you say???

[naomiglover]

While I don't think he "represents" Islam, I do think the problems between extremist-Islam/the-rest-of-the-world could have been a factor. Do you not see that possibility?

I'm glad that you don't think he represents Islam.

I don't know what the factors are because we don't know enough about this guy and this case. There was a shooting at a church not too long by a right wing nut who read and watched Foxnews pundits. He went psycho at this "liberal" church because he believed the church was perverting Christianity and American values. What do you think the main factos were behind this guy's attack? Religion or a guy who was mentally unstable?

I am still trying to get over jbg's comment of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome". It sounds like Glenn Beck is channeling through some people on this board.

[Guest American Woman]

I'm glad that you don't think he represents Islam.

I don't know what the factors are because we don't know enough about this guy and this case. There was a shooting at a church not too long by a right wing nut who read and watched Foxnews pundits. He went psycho at this "liberal" church because he believed the church was perverting Christianity and American values. What do you think the main factos were behind this guy's attack? Religion or a guy who was mentally unstable?

Sounds as if a mix of religion and politics likely played into the situation you discribe. Sometimes people are mentally unstable, but unless there is an underlying cause, they don't go ballistic. Sometimes, too, the underlying cause helps make people mentally unstable.

I am still trying to get over jbg's comment of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome". It sounds like Glenn Beck is channeling through some people on this board.

I didn't even read the "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" comment....

Edited November 6, 2009 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Does this Muslim guy who killed 13 people represent Islam as much as the Jewish guy who killed 29 people at a mosque, represents Judaism?

What do you say DogOnPorch? jbg?

He certainly represents the pointy end of Islam. Baruch Goldstein is certainly somewhat of a hero in the settlement community of the West Bank. But then most of them ARE crazy.

It wasn't a mosque, btw. It was the tomb of Abraham in Hebron...an ancient fellow who never heard of Islam, oddly enough.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP

Ok - so I guess you're acknowledging my answer that you generalized about all Muslims on this very thread. And now you're starting up with generalizations again. "A religion with a chip on its shoulder"... couldn't you say that about protestantism.

But then again, you haven't acknowledged a point yet so I doubt you'll acknowledge this either.

Didn't Islamic armies sweep across the face of the planet during the early Middle-Ages? Of course they did. Re: Protestant's and Catholics: sure they were all bastards...you relativist. Two wrongs don't make a right....and again...I'm not a Christian. Nor am I Jewish...or what have you. Religion is myth. Might as well start reading sheep entrails and dropping the first born into the fire.

Let's see... a religion that includes 1.5 billion people, including progressive Western people, and people from the farthest corners of the earth of all cultures and races... I don't think there's much that they have in common and that's the point.

A Muslim believes in the various pillars of Islam or he/she really isn't a Muslim. That's what's typical about Islam. Shia and Sunni have different amounts and different interpretations of these pillars. The Koran is the final word of God and is thus perfect.

[Sir Bandelot]

It has the awful but legitimate consequence of casting suspicion on all Muslims. Who knows whence the next jihadi? How can one be confident a law-abiding Muslim will not suddenly erupt in a homicidal rage?

What about people like Mr. Karzai, then. He is a muslim, and he sometimes meets with Mr. Obama or other western leaders.

Should we be fearful that he may erupt into sudden jihad syndrome, and attack our leaders?

[Sir Bandelot]

I'm not a Christian. Nor am I Jewish...or what have you.

So then are you some sorta atheist? Those people always seem to me to have fixed beliefs too.

--> Religion is myth. Might as well start reading sheep entrails and dropping the first born into the fire.

Myth is not useless, it has its place. As long as you remember it IS a myth.

--> A Muslim believes in the various pillars of Islam or he/she really isn't a Muslim. That's what's typical about Islam. Shia and Sunni have different amounts and different interpretations of these pillars. The Koran is the final word of God and is thus perfect.

You can substitute the name of other religions of "the book" in there, it works the same way. The problem comes down to fundamentalism and having fixed beliefs. "My way or the highway"