Ft Hood Terror Attack

[eyeball]

See what you don t understand oddball ....is that i don t want to hurt anyone

and never will...

Really? Then why did you say this?

If i were Obama i would let these animals

know if such an attack were to happen on the U.S. ....the resulting

wrath would be quick and complete on the attacking

group or country responible including the use of limited Nuclear strikes!

You went so far as to suggest that Mecca be nuked. Do you propose to evacuate everyone before you quickly give way to your wrath.

[wulf42]

What's been happening in the two threads about this story is clear - people such as yourself attempting to mischaracterize those of us who are concerned about extremists living among us (religious and/or political) in sensitive positions by describing us as prejudiced or racist. In other words, when those of us who are observant enough and honest enough to acknowledge that there is such a thing out there as Islamic extremism (often combined with extremist political left-wing and anti-American/anti-Western perspectives) that threatens our security, you are those like you quickly intervene and throw negative labels at us for unknown reasons. Perhaps you enjoy being pathologically dishonest. Perhaps you truly are a simple person incapable of comprehending simple realities. Who knows? I've given up on trying to understand those like you who consistently misrepresent reality and support our enemies.

You hit the nail right on the head!!! The obvious truth is

Islamic extremist's are here and plotting!

you see it everyday in the news yet people on here and else

where are so quick to speak out when you or i state the obvious

yet remain strangely quiet about commenting on the these creatures

such as the one in the Video that Dogonporch provided!

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Really? Then why did you say this?

You went so far as to suggest that Mecca be nuked. Do you propose to evacuate everyone before you quickly give way to your wrath.

Well for one thing I don t think i have the authority to

use Nuclear weapons.........lol!!

Good Lord.....i implied what would the world reaction be if the

U.S. were to say that!! The Arab world threatens the U.S. and Israel daily.

The maggot in the video is a very common shared view in the Arab world!

but having said that, i do believe if a strike were to occur in the

U.S.A. the U.S would well be within it's right's to retaliate using Nuclear weapons against the aggressor!

What's the difference if the Russian's attacked and caused mass casualities

the U.S. reaction would be a full Nuclear Strike why should the Arab

world be treated any different?

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[naomiglover]

What's been happening in the two threads about this story is clear - people such as yourself attempting to mischaracterize those of us who are concerned about extremists living among us (religious and/or political) in sensitive positions by describing us as prejudiced or racist. In other words, when those of us who are observant enough and honest enough to acknowledge that there is such a thing out there as Islamic extremism (often combined with extremist political left-wing and anti-American/anti-Western perspectives) that threatens our security, you are those like you quickly intervene and throw negative labels at us for unknown reasons. Perhaps you enjoy being pathologically dishonest. Perhaps you truly are a simple person incapable of comprehending simple realities. Who knows? I've given up on trying to understand those like you who consistently misrepresent reality and support our enemies.

The motivations of this killer are obvious. The investigators (and the rest of us rational and honest observers) know why Major Hasan committed mass murder. What is baffling is why people like you are so desperate to derail this into an issue of prejudice or racism, making victims out of Muslims and/or Arabs.

You also said this - You don't think countries like the U.S. and Canada do not profile?

Please explain to me how a country profiles any group? This has got to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read. Perhaps you meant to say that a particular law enforcement agency profiles some groups under some circusmtances? Such as white adult males in their late thirties and older being the profile of serial killers?

You could not be any MORE vague. Please explain how a country like Canada or the USA profiles.

Were you as threatened when others have gone on killing sprees in the U.S. or does the fear only set in when it's a Muslim?

Edited November 10, 2009 by naomiglover

[naomiglover]

Yes, and religious beliefs is one of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Not every Muslim is a fundamentalist/extremist, not every Muslim is violent, and I have never claimed otherwise.

It's not a black and white issue. His religious beliefs, which is not synonymous with "religion," could very well have been the underlying cause. According to other students, he has not only justified suicide bombings, but he said that the Koran overpowers the Constitution. What else can one "blame" that belief on, other than his religious beliefs?

It comes down to how they want to interpret what they think they believe in.

99.99999% do not and have not interpreted the way this guy has and so it's safe to say that it's a problem with the individual.

[wulf42]

It comes down to how they want to interpret what they think they believe in.

99.99999% do not and have not interpreted the way this guy has and so it's safe to say that it's a problem with the individual.

Wow.99.99999%......then why does Al Qaeda and the Taliban have so many members and supporters?? that less than 1% is giving us a hell of a time in Afghanistan.

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[Gabriel]

Two questions I'd like to ask out of curiosity:

1. Should Muslim military recruits be subjected to different standards or more/different scrutiny when enlisting and/or throughout their careers in order to qualify their suitability for their positions and to qualify their loyalty to the USA?

2. Should Muslims currently enrolled in the American military be given more leeway to make claims for conscientious objection based on their faith?

I say no to both. Absolutely not. Let's see what some of you folks think.

[naomiglover]

Recall:

Adkisson, a 58-year-old truck driver on the verge of losing his food stamps, had 76 rounds with him when he entered the church and pulled a shotgun from a guitar case during a children's performance of the musical "Annie."

...

About 200 people from throughout the community were watching 25 children performing "Annie" when the suspect entered the church, pulled out a semiautomatic shotgun and fired three fatal blasts.

...

Adkisson "stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of the major media outlets,"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864

[naomiglover]

Wow.99.99999%......then why does Al Qaeda and the Taliban have so many members and supporters?? that less than 1% is giving us a hell of a time in Afghanistan.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban have supporters just like the Israeli military has supporters.

You bring enough fear into people and use self-defense and protection as an excuse and you are bound to find supporters.

[Gabriel]

Wow.99.99999%......then why does Al Qaeda and the Taliban have so many members and supporters?? that less than 1% is giving us a hell of a time in Afghanistan.

I literally laughed out loud when I read over the 99.9999% statistic! What a dishonest poster. Well, either he's a pathological liar or beyond stupid. One or the other. Talk about being oblivious to a serious problem we're facing. Honest people of all faiths acknowledge that extremist/fundamentalist Islam is a serious problem and not only manifesting itself in one-ten-thousandth of the Muslim population.

[Gabriel]

Al Qaeda and the Taliban have supporters just like the Israeli military has supporters.

You bring enough fear into people and use self-defense and protection as an excuse and you are bound to find supporters.

Ah, the classic moral equivalence being drawn Israel and our enemies. As if Israel's actions are comparable to those of terrorists. In your view, Israel can never justify its self-defense, and terrorism from Palestinian groups likes Hamas is legitimate resistance. How the hell do we allow people like you into our country? Oh, how I wish we could ship you and all those like you off to Afghanistan to live with the Taliban that you so admire so that we could destroy you. It sickens me that there are Canadians like you in my country.

[naomiglover]

Two questions I'd like to ask out of curiosity:

1. Should Muslim military recruits be subjected to different standards or more/different scrutiny when enlisting and/or throughout their careers in order to qualify their suitability for their positions and to qualify their loyalty to the USA?

2. Should Muslims currently enrolled in the American military be given more leeway to make claims for conscientious objection based on their faith?

I say no to both. Absolutely not. Let's see what some of you folks think.

I say no as well because I don't think his religion was the cause of his decision. I think it had to do with his mental breakdown and his search to justify what he did.

[naomiglover]

Ah, the classic moral equivalence being drawn Israel and our enemies. As if Israel's actions are comparable to those of terrorists. In your view, Israel can never justify its self-defense, and terrorism from Palestinian groups likes Hamas is legitimate resistance. How the hell do we allow people like you into our country? Oh, how I wish we could ship you and all those like you off to Afghanistan to live with the Taliban that you so admire so that we could destroy you. It sickens me that there are Canadians like you in my country.

I admire neither the Taliban or the Israeli military.

[Gabriel]

I say no as well because I don't think his religion was the cause of his decision. I think it had to do with his mental breakdown and his search to justify what he did.

You didn't answer the second question. Should Muslims be given different considerations if they submit claims of conscientious objection (do you know what that is?) based on their religious views?

[M.Dancer]

I say no to both. Absolutely not. Let's see what some of you folks think.

Here's a fact we should consider....during the cold war Canadian soldiers of eastern european escent had more scrutiny than other canadian soldiers. I don't recall any ever being put off by it...

[naomiglover]

You didn't answer the second question. Should Muslims be given different considerations if they submit claims of conscientious objection (do you know what that is?) based on their religious views?

They should be treated as a regular person. If their beliefs break the law, then they should be dealt with.

Thousands of American soldiers have come to Canada and refused to serve in the military because the U.S. war was in conflict with their moral and ethical beliefs. At the same time, thousands of Muslim soldiers continue to serve in the U.S. military despite being a Muslim.

You're still trying very hard to make Islam the issue here.

[Gabriel]

Here's a fact we should consider....during the cold war Canadian soldiers of eastern european escent had more scrutiny than other canadian soldiers. I don't recall any ever being put off by it...

I understand, and I'm not particularly opposed to differing lines of questioning being catered to Muslim recruits used in order to identify particular personal issues (religious and/or political) that could manifest into serious integration issues. But I think all recruits of all religions and political affiliations (and everything in between) should be carefully screened for these matters. I'm not convinced the the Muslim population, on the whole, is higher-risk. Extremist/fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, is clearly an issue (as this recent mass murder has tragically illustrated).

[Gabriel]

They should be treated as a regular person. If their beliefs break the law, then they should be dealt with.

Thousands of American soldiers have come to Canada and refused to serve in the military because the U.S. war was in conflict with their moral and ethical beliefs. At the same time, thousands of Muslim soldiers continue to serve in the U.S. military despite being a Muslim.

You're still trying very hard to make Islam the issue here.

More lying - YOU'RE the one obsessed with transforming this discussion into one about your perceived perception of prejudice against Islam. It is shocking to me how easily you lie and how easily you think you can fool us. As I've said earlier, and as I've illustrated by my answers to my own questions, I do not see Islam as the issue. Yet you are desperately trying to portray me as some sort of Islamophobe.

It's also untrue that thousands of American soldiers have come to Canada to avoid their duties, at least in recent years. Although you're trying to derail the thread down some irrelevant tangent, I think all American soldiers who are derelict of their duty and run to Canada should be arrested and sent back to America immediately. America is not a country you can be a refugee or require asylum from.

[wulf42]

I literally laughed out loud when I read over the 99.9999% statistic! What a dishonest poster. Well, either he's a pathological liar or beyond stupid. One or the other. Talk about being oblivious to a serious problem we're facing. Honest people of all faiths acknowledge that extremist/fundamentalist Islam is a serious problem and not only manifesting itself in one-ten-thousandth of the Muslim population.

lol......i laughed too!! Unfortunately Islamic extremism is widespread in the middle east! they teach how to hate Westerners right in the schools in Pakistan!

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Ah, the classic moral equivalence being drawn Israel and our enemies. As if Israel's actions are comparable to those of terrorists. In your view, Israel can never justify its self-defense, and terrorism from Palestinian groups likes Hamas is legitimate resistance. How the hell do we allow people like you into our country? Oh, how I wish we could ship you and all those like you off to Afghanistan to live with the Taliban that you so admire so that we could destroy you. It sickens me that there are Canadians like you in my country.

I am always amazed how Israel is always compared to

our enemies and their terrorist activities,

Israel is a Country surrounded by Islamic fanatics

and they know how to deal with these people

yet they are alway critized for simply defending themselves!

Israel knows that being a nice guy will not work with these people.

I am also offended by Canadians who defend the actions of Al-Qaeda

and or the Taliban....since our soldiers are fighting

these vermin animals!

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[Michael Hardner]

Continuing to do as we do (living freely and pluralistically) isn't a response. If I get attacked outside my office, do I respond by continuing to work? Or should I actually use my brain and attempt to obtain justice? Do yourself a favour and acknowledge that your statement was nonsensical.

We will always be free and pluralistic as long as we are vigilant to preserve this quality of our society. At the same time, we must be vigilant and destroy our enemies who wish us harm. These options aren't mutually exclusive, nor are they related to one another. Continuing on with business as usual ain't a response.

Garbriel,

Actually it is a response. And it was the very response that President Bush proposed after 9/11. Do you remember being told to keep shopping, to keep living a normal life ? I supported the president's initiative here.

We should destroy our enemies, which doesn't include intentionally killing civilians, which hasn't been done (at least openly) since WWII. Do you support dropping bombs on religious sites as well ?

[wulf42]

Garbriel,

Actually it is a response. And it was the very response that President Bush proposed after 9/11. Do you remember being told to keep shopping, to keep living a normal life ? I supported the president's initiative here.

We should destroy our enemies, which doesn't include intentionally killing civilians, which hasn't been done (at least openly) since WWII. Do you support dropping bombs on religious sites as well ?

Michael.........Bush did say that and of course people should live their lives

but they should still be vigilant but while people go about and live their lives

the CIA,Homeland security and the Army is going around finding these scumbags and

either killing them or throwing their worthless hides in prison so a response is

still warranted!

[wulf42]

Garbriel,

We should destroy our enemies, which doesn't include intentionally killing civilians, which hasn't been done (at least openly) since WWII. Do you support dropping bombs on religious sites as well ?

Why do you think Israel is so successful? they don t worry about their targets

or world opinion they know how these people operate and how low they can go,

they (Israel) kill the enemy where he is! unforunately to defeat these people that may be necessary.

Edited November 10, 2009 by wulf42

[Michael Hardner]

Thanks, Wulf.

Michael.........Bush did say that and of course people should live their lives

but they should still be vigilant but

I appreciate the acknowledgment.

[Michael Hardner]

Wulf,

Why do you think Israel is so successful? they don t worry about their targets

or world opinion they know how these people operate and how low they can go,

they (Israel) kill the enemy where he is! unforunately to defeat these people that may be

necessary.

Israel would never target civilians, and in fact they have to justify targeting soldiers who hide among civilians. Also, they have no problem with Muslims - it's a localized war that they're fighting and they have consistently tried to make peace with those that share their homeland.