capricorn Posted October 30, 2009 Report Posted October 30, 2009 As much as flu fears have people pulling away, H1N1 is also uniting Canadians through emotion — specifically, a deeply entrenched sense of frustration that, for many, has mutated into bitterness, anger and even hostility.Call it flu rage. Across the country, otherwise mild-mannered Canadians are finding themselves admonishing strangers for open sneezing, losing their cool with queue-jumpers at vaccination clinics, writing angry letters to government and media, and lashing out at friends whose H1N1 opinions differ from their own. "Anger can cause us to be proactive . . . but it can also become destructive, which is what we see with flu rage," says psychologist Gordon Asmundson, a professor whose research at the University of Regina includes health anxiety. "It's about a sense of uncertainty combined with the feeling of having no control over a situation. We tend to catastrophize when we're anxious." --- Resentment also looms large among Canadians that find themselves constantly worrying about infection, whether from open-sneezers at the gym or those who blithely bypass the sinks in public washrooms. "I think about it all the time — more than ever before," admits J'Lyn Nye, a radio host from Edmonton who says she doesn't want to be "sheeple" by herding in for a vaccine she knows little about. "I come in first thing every morning and wipe down all the studio equipment with Lysol. I love the guys I work with, but you never know where their hands have been." http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/rage...4503/story.html I sense a real panic among people who think there will not be any vaccine available for them if they wait too long to get the shot. Perhaps this is why healthy individuals are not respecting the repeated instructions to let the vulnerable get the shot first. It seems no matter what the authorities say, it's not registering with the masses. I'm in the high risk group nevertheless I will stay away from the vaccine clinics for a month or so. My mental health is just as important as my physical health so I'll avoid having to deal with angry, panicked mobs. The way things are going, flu rage will not abate for some time. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 The way things are going, flu rage will not abate for some time. We've been going this way for sometime now I think and if it wasn't the flu it would probably be something else. Our society is increasingly preoccupied with fear and of course loathing is never far from fear. For awhile there it looked he financial meltdown might trigger a similar sort of rage but it seems to have faded somewhat in the wake of H1N1. I suppose it should be no surprise to anyone (except BC2004 maybe) that health concerns should trump economics. The real danger from H1N1 is that people are losing yet another institution in which they've been led to believe in. Religion, politics, science, economics and health...there's not much left to lose faith in except ourselves now and once that goes I expect the fear and loathing will truly go viral. I expect this will be largely focused on our governments but where they deflect it is anyone's guess. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 .....The real danger from H1N1 is that people are losing yet another institution in which they've been led to believe in. Religion, politics, science, economics and health...there's not much left to lose faith in except ourselves now and once that goes I expect the fear and loathing will truly go viral. I expect this will be largely focused on our governments but where they deflect it is anyone's guess. No...the next step is to go to the Mayo Clinic in America....just like Shona Holmes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
fellowtraveller Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 No...the next step is to go to the Mayo Clinic in America....just like Shona Holmes. The USA had reportedly only produced 40 million doses of vaccine, should I come armed and ready to kill for mine? Quote The government should do something.
dlkenny Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 Yeah, but rage doesn't help anyone. If you think you're getting sick, stay home...if your kid is sick, don't send them to daycare or school. Maybe the panic will make people realize these things are true with any flu or sickness, don't spread it! Quote If you understand, no explanation necessary. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 The USA had reportedly only produced 40 million doses of vaccine, should I come armed and ready to kill for mine? No, you should come armed with cash or credit card. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Riverwind Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 Yeah, but rage doesn't help anyone. If you think you're getting sick, stay home...if your kid is sick, don't send them to daycare or school. Maybe the panic will make people realize these things are true with any flu or sickness, don't spread it!The trouble there is a real cost of staying home to avoid spreading it and the cost is different for different people at different times. (e.g. self-employed people do not have sick days - they get paid only for work they do). Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Riverwind Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 No, you should come armed with cash or credit card.So you are saying that anyone in the US with money can get the vacine? I am sceptical. Can you support the claim? Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted October 31, 2009 Report Posted October 31, 2009 How much is a flu shot in the USA? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 No, you should come armed with cash or credit card. So access to the vaccine is determined by ability to pay? God Bless America. Quote The government should do something.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 So access to the vaccine is determined by ability to pay?God Bless America. Well.....yea...just like everything else. I think that 'Gitmo detainess get it for free if that helps. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 How much is a flu shot in the USA? About $25 for injection.....$35 for nasal spray. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonbox Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 Sounds PRICEY! Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 Sounds PRICEY! Well, you also get a Band-Aid or tissue, depending. Very conveneint at the local retail grocer's superstore. ...about the price of "Andromeda Strain" on Blu-Ray disc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Riverwind Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 About $25 for injection.....$35 for nasal spray.Can you provide some online reference to support your claim? My understanding is governments have bought up all available supply. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 Can you provide some online reference to support your claim? My understanding is governments have bought up all available supply. We're talking seasonal flu shot here.....sorry. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
fellowtraveller Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 About $25 for injection.....$35 for nasal spray. That alone should literally eliminate some of those pesky underclass types. Natural selection, eh? Quote The government should do something.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 That alone should literally eliminate some of those pesky underclass types.Natural selection, eh? Maybe, the pesky underclass has hybrid vigor working in their favor. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Riverwind Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 We're talking seasonal flu shot here.....sorry.Available for about the same price in Canada so I don't see what your point is. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
GostHacked Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 Available for about the same price in Canada so I don't see what your point is. Someone asked BC about the price/cost of the vaccine. He said 'bout tree fiddy'. Actually he said ... wait I can't believe I am replying to this ... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 Available for about the same price in Canada so I don't see what your point is. ...I think the point was acess and availability compared to anguish over fewer sites in some provinces. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 ...I think the point was acess and availability compared to anguish over fewer sites in some provinces. The anguish is unjustified. What's the survival rate on this dreaded disease anyway? 99.99%? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wyly Posted November 2, 2009 Report Posted November 2, 2009 The anguish is unjustified. What's the survival rate on this dreaded disease anyway? 99.99%? sounds nice as long as it's not your child that dies because some wealthy adults managed to buy their way to the head of the cue and there was none left for your kids... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
politicslvr Posted November 5, 2009 Report Posted November 5, 2009 It doesn't help when you hear stories of the Calgary Flames obtaining the vaccine well before the rest of the high-risk group in Alberta. Quote InformedVote - Canadian politics blog and your source for all things Canadian politics.
ruinyourday Posted November 9, 2009 Report Posted November 9, 2009 http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/rage...4503/story.html I sense a real panic among people who think there will not be any vaccine available for them if they wait too long to get the shot. Perhaps this is why healthy individuals are not respecting the repeated instructions to let the vulnerable get the shot first. It seems no matter what the authorities say, it's not registering with the masses. I'm in the high risk group nevertheless I will stay away from the vaccine clinics for a month or so. My mental health is just as important as my physical health so I'll avoid having to deal with angry, panicked mobs. The way things are going, flu rage will not abate for some time. Quote
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