Are you free in Canada?

[bjre]

How do you make that assertion???

Please explain my "Fascist nationalism"?

Because after so many things happened include:

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A 16 year old kids unable to show an ID card, he would be arrested.

People are being arrested on a mass scale in G20

A woman is arrested just because she asked why she is stopped when she walking home on the street.

You still try to ignore these fascist like incident.

Edited December 5, 2010 by bjre

[bjre]

Our government has apologized for this and has tried to make reperations...

But human right issues still happening, that means there are still things need to do.

Has the Crypto Fascist regime in Bejing apologized for the massacre at Tiannemen Square yet?

No massacre at Tiannemen Square in 1989. That is lie. No apologize needed. I have talked this before, and it is off topic.

The topic is here:

Ottawa Police Beats Innocent Woman at Police Department

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/learned+rights+says+victim+stripped+Ottawa+police/3896315/story.html#ixzz16bcNb34F

Bonds, a theatrical makeup artist with no criminal record, was stopped by police in September 2008 while walking home from an after-hours party following a live musical performance downtown.

The police officers ran her name through the system. When nothing came up they told her to go home.

When

she asked why she had been stopped in the first place, police arrested her and took her to police headquarters

, where she was put in a jail cell where she remained topless and in soiled pants for three hours and 15 minutes before being given a jailhouse jumpsuit.

[Jack Weber]

Because after so many things happened include:

• 
  

A 16 year old kids unable to show an ID card, he would be arrested.

People are being arrested on a mass scale in G20

A woman is arrested just because she asked why she is stopped when she walking home on the street.

You still try to ignore these fascist like incident.

Why are there "re-education" camps in operation in China for labour leaders,and anyone else who speaks out agianst the Fascists in Bejing, trying make working conditions safer in...say..Chinese coal mines?

Why are there still almost 1 billion Chinese still living below the universally accepted poverty line,while you claim the Chinese government is seemingly concerned?

Why has the Chinese gov't never apologized for the massacre at Tiannemen Square?

Are telling me that singular incidents,like the one's you mentioned,are equitable to the mass arrest(and disappearance) of those that speak out against the Fascists in Bejing?

[bjre]

Why are there "re-education" camps in operation in China for labour leaders,and anyone else who speaks out agianst the Fascists in Bejing, trying make working conditions safer in...say..Chinese coal mines?

Why many people are ordered to do many hours of community work in Canada?

Why are there still almost 1 billion Chinese still living below the universally accepted poverty line,while you claim the Chinese government is seemingly concerned?

Because western nations have robbed and is still robbing the developing countries include China by international laws and banking rules.

Why has the Chinese gov't never apologized for the massacre at Tiannemen Square?

Because the massacre is a lie.

Are telling me that singular incidents,like the one's you mentioned,are equitable to the mass arrest(and disappearance) of those that speak out against the Fascists in Bejing?

The singular incidents that I mentioned are showing the Fascists side in Canada. I don't care about what happened in Beijing or on Mars. Many of your mentioned about that are lies.

Edited December 5, 2010 by bjre

[charter.rights]

Our government has apologized for this and has tried to make reperations...

Has the Crypto Fascist regime in Bejing apologized for the massacre at Tiannemen Square yet?

Actually they haven't made real reparations. The Residential School Settlement Agreement caused the apology, as well as creating the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. The settlement was not a reparation but payments were made to offset the experience. How does the government repay for 50,000 children that died or went missing in their care, or their families that lost children? IF they were really interested in real reparations they would be arresting those caregivers that are still alive today and charge them with the murders they are responsible for.

[Jack Weber]

Why many people are ordered to do many hours of community work in Canada?

Because western nations have robbed and is still robbing the developing countries include China by international laws and banking rules.

Because the massacre is a lie.

The singular incidents that I mentioned are showing the Fascists side in Canada. I don't care about what happened in Beijing or on Mars. Many of your mentioned about that are lies.

1.Community service is equitable to a forced labour camp???

Nice logic!

2.Free Market economics is for those at the top...Your Fascist aparatchiks in Bejing know this and are playing the game accordingly.If you want this to change in China,you should be fighting for actual INDEPENDENT labour unions who will force these global entities to be more equitable.If you want Chinese coal miners to actually go home alive,you should be backing the labour movement in China to force mining companies to up the workplace safety.

Get ready for a serious pushback from the free marketeers,if you do!

3.If the massacre is a lie,where did all those people go who opposed Bejing?

Did they just go home?

I see everything that might show your glorious Fascist regime in a bad light is a lie...

[Jack Weber]

Actually they haven't made real reparations. The Residential School Settlement Agreement caused the apology, as well as creating the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. The settlement was not a reparation but payments were made to offset the experience. How does the government repay for 50,000 children that died or went missing in their care, or their families that lost children? IF they were really interested in real reparations they would be arresting those caregivers that are still alive today and charge them with the murders they are responsible for.

Whatever...

The contention is that somehow the Canadian government is equitable to the Fascist regime in Bejing..

[g_bambino]

That is your real purpose. Try to hide the evilness in Canada. So that thousands kids died in Residential Schools may repeat under this system.

And here is the partner tactic to your other one of taking things totally out of context: fabricate facts to attack instead of dealing with what's actually taken place. I never once made any denial about Residential Schools. So, try again.

[bjre]

Whatever...

The contention is that somehow the Canadian government is equitable to the Fascist regime in Bejing..

Canadian government has some equitable to a Fascist regime.

Beijing has nothing to do with Fascism.

Compare the 2 governments is not my idea.

[bjre]

And here is the partner tactic to your other one of taking things totally out of context: fabricate facts to attack instead of dealing with what's actually taken place. I never once made any denial about Residential Schools. So, try again.

The system that make organizations similar with Residential Schools exist is still there, for example: Ontario children are victimized everyday because Children's Aid Societies, private corporations just like a fast food restaurant, are allowed to kidnap children from their parents and free from Ontario Ombudsman Oversight or criminal investigations.

Edited December 6, 2010 by bjre

[Jack Weber]

Canadian government has some equitable to a Fascist regime.

Beijing has nothing to do with Fascism.

Compare the 2 governments is not my idea.

You're right about one thing...

The two gov't's are not comparable...

I know where I'd rather live.

Edited December 6, 2010 by Jack Weber

[g_bambino]

The system that make organizations similar with Residential Schools exist is still there, for example: Children's Aid Societies...

You have a seriously warped sense of scale.

[Saipan]

Why many people are ordered to do many hours of community work in Canada?

Only CRIMINALS.

Because western nations have robbed and is still robbing the developing countries include China by international laws and banking rules.

YOU FAILED AS USUAL TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE. Why are we sending money, jobs and equipment to China anyway?

Because the massacre is a lie.

You're the only one denying it, but then again you're a very special case. You're even better at it then deniers of Holocaust.

[Jack Weber]

"special" is the perfect term for bjre....

[bjre]

Because western nations have robbed and is still robbing the developing countries include China by international laws and banking rules.

YOU FAILED AS USUAL TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE. Why are we sending money, jobs and equipment to China anyway?

Here is one example on how western countries rob from developing countries.

IMF's four steps to damnation

How crises, failures, and suffering finally drove a Presidential adviser to the wrong side of the barricades

Gregory Palast

The Observer, Sunday 29 April 2001

(Joseph Stiglitz: ex-chief economist at the World Bank)

It was like a scene out of Le Carré: the brilliant agent comes in from the cold and, in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the name of an ideology gone rotten.

But this was a far bigger catch than some used-up Cold War spy. The former apparatchik was Joseph Stiglitz, ex-chief economist of the World Bank. The new world economic order was his theory come to life.

He was in Washington for the big confab of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing meetings of ministers and central bankers, he was outside the police cordons. The World Bank fired Stiglitz two years ago. He was not allowed a quiet retirement: he was excommunicated purely for expressing mild dissent from globalisation World Bank-style.

Here in Washington we conducted exclusive interviews with Stiglitz, for The Observer and Newsnight, about the inside workings of the IMF, the World Bank, and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of documents marked, 'confidential' and 'restricted'.

Stiglitz helped translate one, a 'country assistance strategy'. There's an assistance strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank, after careful in-country investigation.

But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank's 'investigation' involves little more than close inspection of five-star hotels. It concludes with a meeting with a begging finance minister, who is handed a 'restructuring agreement' pre-drafted for 'voluntary' signature.

Each nation's economy is analysed, says Stiglitz, then the Bank hands every minister the same four-step programme.

Step One is privatisation. Stiglitz said that rather than objecting to the sell-offs of state industries, some politicians - using the World Bank's demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and water companies. 'You could see their eyes widen' at the possibility of commissions for shaving a few billion off the sale price.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the biggest privatisation of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. 'The US Treasury view was: "This was great, as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We DON'T CARE if it's a corrupt election." '

Stiglitz cannot simply be dismissed as a conspiracy nutter. The man was inside the game - a member of Bill Clinton's cabinet, chairman of the President's council of economic advisers.

Most sick-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs stripped Russia's industrial assets, with the effect that national output was cut nearly in half.

After privatisation, Step Two is capital market liberalisation. In theory this allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in Indonesia and Brazil, the money often simply flows out.

Stiglitz calls this the 'hot money' cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A nation's reserves can drain in days.

And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation's own capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%, 50% and 80%.

'The result was predictable,' said Stiglitz. Higher interest rates demolish property values, savage industrial production and drain national treasuries.

At this point, according to Stiglitz, the IMF drags the gasping nation to Step Three: market-based pricing - a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half: what Stiglitz calls 'the IMF riot'.

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, 'down and out, [the IMF] squeezes the last drop of blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up,' - as when the IMF eliminated food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia exploded into riots.

There are other examples - the Bolivian riots over water prices last year and, this February, the riots in Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices imposed by the World Bank. You'd almost believe the riot was expected.

And it is. What Stiglitz did not know is that Newsnight obtained several documents from inside the World Bank. In one, last year's Interim Country Assistance Strategy for Ecuador, the Bank several times suggests - with cold accuracy - that the plans could be expected to spark 'social unrest'.

That's not surprising. The secret report notes that the plan to make the US dollar Ecuador's currency has pushed 51% of the population below the poverty line.

The IMF riots (and by riots I mean peaceful demonstrations dispersed by bullets, tanks and tear gas) cause new flights of capital and government bankruptcies This economic arson has its bright side - for foreigners, who can then pick off remaining assets at fire sale prices.

A pattern emerges. There are lots of losers but the clear winners seem to be the western banks and US Treasury.

Now we arrive at Step Four: free trade. This is free trade by the rules of the World Trade Organisation and the World Bank, which Stiglitz likens to the Opium Wars. 'That too was about "opening markets",' he said. As in the nineteenth century, Europeans and Americans today are kicking down barriers to sales in Asia, Latin American and Africa while barricading our own markets against the Third World 's agriculture.

In the Opium Wars, the West used military blockades. Today, the World Bank can order a financial blockade, which is just as effective and sometimes just as deadly.

Stiglitz has two concerns about the IMF/World Bank plans. First, he says, because the plans are devised in secrecy and driven by an absolutist ideology, never open for discourse or dissent, they 'undermine democracy'. Second, they don't work. Under the guiding hand of IMF structural 'assistance' Africa's income dropped by 23%.

Did any nation avoid this fate? Yes, said Stiglitz, Botswana. Their trick? 'They told the IMF to go packing.'

Stiglitz proposes radical land reform: an attack on the 50% crop rents charged by the propertied oligarchies worldwide.

Why didn't the World Bank and IMF follow his advice?

'If you challenge [land ownership], that would be a change in the power of the elites. That's not high on their agenda.'

Ultimately, what drove him to put his job on the line was the failure of the banks and US Treasury to change course when confronted with the crises, failures, and suffering perpetrated by their four-step monetarist mambo.

'It's a little like the Middle Ages,' says the economist, 'When the patient died they would say well, we stopped the bloodletting too soon, he still had a little blood in him.'

Maybe it's time to remove the bloodsuckers.

[Saipan]

Here is one example on how western countries rob from developing countries.

By not pouring more money into bottomless pits?

That's hilarioous

[bjre]

By not pouring more money into bottomless pits?

That's hilarioous

Bottomless wall street is where the money go.

The topic is here:

Ottawa Police Beats Innocent Woman at Police Department

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/learned+rights+says+victim+stripped+Ottawa+police/3896315/story.html#ixzz16bcNb34F

Bonds, a theatrical makeup artist with no criminal record, was stopped by police in September 2008 while walking home from an after-hours party following a live musical performance downtown.

The police officers ran her name through the system. When nothing came up they told her to go home.

When

she asked why she had been stopped in the first place, police arrested her and took her to police headquarters

, where she was put in a jail cell where she remained topless and in soiled pants for three hours and 15 minutes before being given a jailhouse jumpsuit.

[g_bambino]

The topic is here:

That's not a topic. It's just a video of a woman resisting arrest and some conflicting stories of why she was arrested.

[Oleg Bach]

There is not one place left on earth..where one can be free-- BUT I am glad that Canada is the finest most luxurious jail on the planet - for that _ I am grateful..

[g_bambino]

There is not one place left on earth..where one can be free-- BUT I am glad that Canada is the finest most luxurious jail on the planet - for that _ I am grateful..

Well, that's pretty much the point I was hoping to get at with our Communist friend: In societies, there is no such thing as absolute freedom; in order to maintain society, the people who live in it must adhere to certain restrictions. The question is: just how many limits are there, and do the inhabitants collectively create the laws they live under or not? In Canada, we do. In China, they don't.

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Edited December 7, 2010 by g_bambino

[Oleg Bach]

I can insult the most powerful person in the nation and I can walk away unharmed - In China - I would be taken to a dungeon and have my head smashed in..then my liver and kidneys sent to some rich guy in India..The restrictions must be moderate in nature..in so far as maintaining a happy zoo. The cage must be clean - we can't have the strongest baboon bashing you with a rock to get at your wife - Nor can we tolerate someone stealing your small personal cash of bananas. Total freedom would be like a full grown wolf in the wild..who is horny and there is no mature female handy - so he attempts to mount a pup..THAT is not tolerated in nature..because it destroys the pack in time..so there must be restrictions..with total freedom we would disappear..through our vicious vices.

[bjre]

I can insult the most powerful person in the nation and I can walk away unharmed

Yes, you can use AK47 kill dozens before drop it and live in a jail waiting for out, is that the human right and freedom for the victims all about?

[Saipan]

Bottomless wall street is where the money go.

You're free not to invest.

Unlike country like Cuba where El Presidente take all your money and you get just to survive on.

[g_bambino]

Yes, you can use AK47 kill dozens before drop it and live in a jail waiting for out, is that the human right and freedom for the victims all about?

Capitol punishment for their killer is the human right of murdered humans? Er... What?

[sp]

Edited December 7, 2010 by g_bambino

[bjre]

You're free not to invest.

You have to buy food, the wall street guys make a high price before food arrive to the shops.