Tories Lead widening!

[wulf42]

This is excellent news, Harper is a stones throw from a Majority

the Liberals really screwed up! support for them is falling faster

than Autumn leaves! You would think the last thing the Liberals would

do is force an election now...but if they do good riddance, maybe something

will actually get done with the Conservatives fully in control!!

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-art...mentid=21633536

[Moonbox]

For the time being we can only hope for a minority. As the economy continues to improve things may improve for Harper, but until then it will be more of the same.

[Goat Boy©]

I don't believe that Harper will remain leader long enough to ever see his majority.

[wulf42]

I don't believe that Harper will remain leader long enough to ever see his majority.

Actually i believe the opposite!!

I believe Harper has never been closer to a Majority and as Moonlight

mentioned our economy is improving and so are Harper's chances for

a total victory!

[Who's Doing What?]

This is excellent news, Harper is a stones throw from a Majority

the Liberals really screwed up! support for them is falling faster

than Autumn leaves! You would think the last thing the Liberals would

do is force an election now...but if they do good riddance, maybe something

will actually get done with the Conservatives fully in control!!

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-art...mentid=21633536

How is it only the Liberals who will force an election when the Govt. can be propped up by the "socialists" of the NDP and the "seperatists" of the BQ?

Harper will be the one to force an election by trying to pass some rediculous motion that he knows damn well that neither the NDP or the BQ could ever support. Ofcourse the CPC will spin it as the other parties not trying to make parliament work but let's be honest here. If Harper wants to avoid an election all he has to do is tone down any bill's he brings forth and throw the NDP and BQ a bone.

Unless Harper goes way off the path I doubt there will be an election since the NDP can't afford one right now, and will take any excuse to keep the current Govt. going.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Who's Doing What?

[madmax]

For the time being we can only hope for a minority. As the economy continues to improve things may improve for Harper, but until then it will be more of the same.

500 people tossed out of work this week in 3 different fields, Pharmacuetical, Media and Manufacturing.

Economic improvement is subjective.

[Moonbox]

500 people tossed out of work this week in 3 different fields, Pharmacuetical, Media and Manufacturing.

Economic improvement is subjective.

Subjective to the people experiencing (or not) and the regions experiencing it (or not).

Jobs recovery pretty generally lags behind economic recovery as you well know. As for the numbers, I don't know where that's coming from. Jobs are still being lost as we know, but 500 jobs were lost where?

I live in one of the areas hardest hit by the recession (KW has 10% unemployment right now) but the pace of job losses has slowed to a crawl and it APPEARS the cycle is turning around.

We'll see.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Moonbox

[madmax]

I live in one of the areas hardest hit by the recession (KW has 10% unemployment right now) but the pace of job losses has slowed to a crawl and it APPEARS the cycle is turning around.

We'll see.

I was at a business function last night and met an old aquaintance. Comes from your neck of the woods. Had recently resigned from his company and now running his own consulting business. He had hit his limit on being a hatchet man and realized the sever damage to the economy that was occuring by following corporate decisions that didn't take into account the productivity and profits of the workplaces he was forced to shutdown.

He literally said, he could no longer look anyone in the face. It became too much.

There is a significant level of false optimism that is based upon weak numbers and a glimmer of hope.

A minute bounce is not a recovery. Infact, it looks like we are heading for another wave of downturn.

[Goat Boy©]

Subjective to the people experiencing (or not) and the regions experiencing it (or not).

Jobs recovery pretty generally lags behind economic recovery as you well know. As for the numbers, I don't know where that's coming from. Jobs are still being lost as we know, but 500 jobs were lost where?

I live in one of the areas hardest hit by the recession (KW has 10% unemployment right now) but the pace of job losses has slowed to a crawl and it APPEARS the cycle is turning around.

We'll see.

Company I work for is laying off about 20% workforce, 5% management in the next two weeks......but then I work in aviation and that's a charlie-foxtrot already.

[waldo]

oh... another polling thread - really? Another one.....

carry on

[OddSox]

500 people tossed out of work this week in 3 different fields, Pharmacuetical, Media and Manufacturing.

Economic improvement is subjective.

A whole 500 workers?

August 2009:

- Health care field (includes Pharmacuetical?): 1,940,000 workers

- Information, culture and recreation (media?): 795,000 workers

- Manufacturing: 1,738,900 workers

Across Canada? 16,807.400 jobs in August, up 27,100 since July!

Yes, Economic improvement is subjective.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujets/l...90904a2-eng.htm

Edited September 18, 2009 by OddSox

[Smallc]

but then I work in aviation and that's a charlie-foxtrot already.

Except here....

[Goat Boy©]

Except here....

Que?

[Topaz]

I'd say there are more unhappy Canadians that have lost their jobs and if those Canadians vote this time around I can't see Tories with a majority, I think they may even lose in Ontario and Quebec. Alberta is not much better than Ontario, so who knows what could happen there and what about the people who can't find a job and can't get EI, they have to sell what they own and become desperate before they get welfare.

[wulf42]

I'd say there are more unhappy Canadians that have lost their jobs and if those Canadians vote this time around I can't see Tories with a majority, I think they may even lose in Ontario and Quebec. Alberta is not much better than Ontario, so who knows what could happen there and what about the people who can't find a job and can't get EI, they have to sell what they own and become desperate before they get welfare.

There are signs Canada is slowly coming out of recession! the economy downturn is Global

i think most Canadians realize this and countries worldwide are hurting, hardly Harpers fault.

It wouldn t have mattered who was running the ship! the economy still would have tanked.

Edited September 18, 2009 by wulf42

[OddSox]

I'd say there are more unhappy Canadians that have lost their jobs and if those Canadians vote this time around I can't see Tories with a majority, I think they may even lose in Ontario and Quebec. Alberta is not much better than Ontario, so who knows what could happen there and what about the people who can't find a job and can't get EI, they have to sell what they own and become desperate before they get welfare.

Hey, the same thing happened in 1970 (when unemployment was something like 20% rather than the single digits we have now), and in 1980 (when homes in Alberta were selling for $1.00 and mortgage rates were 22% or so) and in 1991 (and will happen again a decade or so from now).

EDIT: Interestingly, huge spikes in oil prices preceded every one of those recessions...just sayin'

Edited September 18, 2009 by OddSox

[punked]

I'd say there are more unhappy Canadians that have lost their jobs and if those Canadians vote this time around I can't see Tories with a majority, I think they may even lose in Ontario and Quebec. Alberta is not much better than Ontario, so who knows what could happen there and what about the people who can't find a job and can't get EI, they have to sell what they own and become desperate before they get welfare.

It is like you live in a different country.

on Thursday or Friday.

Nanos leadership poll up on their site. It was taken between September 3 and September 11 and involved 1,002 Canadians.

When asked who would make the best Prime Minister, people said:

Stephen Harper - 36.9%

Michael Ignatieff - 23.9%

Jack Layton - 11.4%

Gilles Duceppe - 5.0%

Elizabeth May - 4.0%

That is a big spread between Harper and Ignatieff, and it really has only been created recently. Compared to the last Nanos poll in August, Harper has gained 7.4 points while Ignatieff has lost 2.3. Layton has also been hit hard, losing 3.8 points.

In British Columbia, Harper is the choice of 44.4% of respondents. Only 21.9% selected Ignatieff and a dismal 8.8% chose Layton.

In Ontario - and this is significant - Harper has jumped 6.6 points and stands at 36%. Ignatieff, who led Harper in the province in that previous poll, dropped 7.3 points and is the choice of 24.0% of Ontarians. Layton, at 8.5%, has also dropped.

No one likes Iggy some people just like him a little more then Harper.

Edited September 18, 2009 by punked

[Topaz]

It is like you live in a different country.

No one likes Iggy some people just like him a little more then Harper.

Just think how many more MAY like the Tories if HARPER wasn't there!!!

[punked]

Just think how many more MAY like the Tories if HARPER wasn't there!!!

I agree with you which is why I am glade Harper isn't there. Unless the Torries went with a true PCer like Robert Stanfeild I don't want them in power but I will accept a Majority with the balance power lying in the oppisition. I also don't want Iggy in the PM seat I would much rather have another true progressive. Wont happen though so I will work hard to get a progressive party to win.

[Topaz]

I agree with you which is why I am glade Harper isn't there. Unless the Torries went with a true PCer like Robert Stanfeild I don't want them in power but I will accept a Majority with the balance power lying in the oppisition. I also don't want Iggy in the PM seat I would much rather have another true progressive. Wont happen though so I will work hard to get a progressive party to win.

So who do you think would be the new of the Tories, McKay, former PCer or Kenney a former Reformer?

[punked]

So who do you think would be the new of the Tories, McKay, former PCer or Kenney a former Reformer?

I don't know everyone in the party but I do know the Party as it stands now and the prominent figures in it and I can firmly say they are not Robert Standfeilds party wish they were.

[Bryan]

I agree with you which is why I am glade Harper isn't there. Unless the Torries went with a true PCer like Robert Stanfeild I don't want them in power but I will accept a Majority with the balance power lying in the oppisition. I also don't want Iggy in the PM seat I would much rather have another true progressive. Wont happen though so I will work hard to get a progressive party to win.

The only Conservatives who are even remotely disappointed in Harper are the ones who think he's already turned out to be far too PC than they thought he would be. The party could not go further left with the next leader. If they did, they would just trigger Reform all over again. Liberals might like that, but anyone honestly looking for 'progressive- conservatism' would be left in an even worse position than they're in now.

[punked]

The only Conservatives who are even remotely disappointed in Harper are the ones who think he's already turned out to be far too PC than they thought he would be. The party could not go further left with the next leader. If they did, they would just trigger Reform all over again. Liberals might like that, but anyone honestly looking for 'progressive- conservatism' would be left in an even worse position than they're in now.

Dont worry Robert Stanfield is the Conservative in the last 50 years I like and only becuase he took a stand on a guaranteed minim income I still can't imagine Tommy's Face when that came out of Stanfields mouth in the debates.

Edited September 19, 2009 by punked

[Moonlight Graham]

Actually i believe the opposite!!

I believe Harper has never been closer to a Majority and as Moonlight

mentioned our economy is improving and so are Harper's chances for

a total victory!

You meant Moonbox. 2 different people. Confusing? Yes. But i was here 1st haha.

Anyways, screw the polls. If towards the end on an election campaign polls show the Cons near or at a majority, i think you'd see a shot of movement towards the Liberals in order to prevent a CPC majority. I'd think NDP & Green supporters might jump to Liberal if that was the case, and some on-the-fence voters who would have voted CPC otherwise.

It sure would be a darn fun experiment though to see what the CPC would do with a majority. WHO'S UP FOR ANOTHER WAR??!? Anyone wanna sign-up with me to shoot at Ruskies in the arctic?

[dlkenny]

Actually i believe the opposite!!

I believe Harper has never been closer to a Majority and as Moonlight

mentioned our economy is improving and so are Harper's chances for

a total victory!

I can guarantee one thing though, if after the election we wind up with a coalition government the Conservatives will be looking for a new leader. I can't see a coalition lasting very long and I would imagine that in the event a coalition were to fall apart that the governor general would then ask the conservatives if they could form another minority parliament instead of going to another general election.