Smallc Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 ....I must be slow, I'm not getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Two blazing examples, Canada is a world leading supplier in the ingrediants required to produce beer, yet when those ingredients are put together in Canada we have a case of Budweiser being sold for $45 dollars Canadian and that same Case being sold in the US for a 11.50 US. Our dollars is almost at par. Such a terrible, glaring injustice, really! In another thread I was questioning what idea, event could inspire us here, collectively, to the daring feats of political Interest, Knowledge, and who knows, maybe even Action? You may be on to something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 ALL of the power in Canada rests with Parliament, the Senate and the Supreme Court. A parliament controlled by a PM and cabinet who the Canadian people did not elect. An unelected Senate and overseen unelected Supreme Court made up of either Conservative or Liberal appointees. Corruption, Corruption.........Alert Alert........Corruption... The only way for Canadians to regain the Country from the Corrupt Liberals and The Conservatives is for the Monarch to allow Canadians to elect the Governor General to represent the Monarch. Why stop there, also for Canadians to elect the Senators as well. What is happening now, unelected PM is putting forward a list of Senators who the GG rubber stamps. The Canadian people should put forward the Senators via an election and then the elected GG can swear the Senators in. Canadians Can Have a Republic its as easy as getting the GG to be elected by the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Canadians Can Have a Republic its as easy as getting the GG to be elected by the people. Yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Yeah.... Why should an unelected Prime Minister choose the Governor General. Canadians should choose this person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Why should an unelected Prime Minister choose the Governor General. Canadians should choose this person. I can't recall a PM not having been elcted first to parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well, there was John Turner for 10 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Canadians should choose this person. They do. It's called responsible government. Look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Why should an unelected Prime Minister choose the Governor General. Canadians should choose this person. Because electing a Governor General is an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I can't recall a PM not having been elcted first to parliament. No one voted for the PM and his choice of Cabinet. Canada's political structure is designed to be overseen by the monarch/Governor General. If the Governor General is no longer going to represent the Monarch, then the GG can represent the interests of the Canadian People. It is quite simple to accomplish, ask the Monarch to allow Canadians select and vote for the GG rather than it coming from an unelected Prime Minister. Doing this would not take away from the Monarch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 A parliament controlled by a PM and cabinet who the Canadian people did not elect. I remember an election. Unfortunately for you, all of the morons, unemployed basement dwellers, tree huggers and refugees in our country were either too lazy too vote, or were too stupid to vote intelligently. Parliament is not controlled by the PM. He governs Canada through the impotence of Canada's other parties and just so happens to wield the largest amount of influence. I almost feel like you need a grade school lesson on how the British Parliamentary system works, but sadly I'm not sure you've got what it takes between the ears to absorb it. The only way for Canadians to regain the Country from the Corrupt Liberals and The Conservatives is for the Monarch to allow Canadians to elect the Governor General to represent the Monarch. Why stop there, also for Canadians to elect the Senators as well. What is happening now, unelected PM is putting forward a list of Senators who the GG rubber stamps. The Canadian people should put forward the Senators via an election and then the elected GG can swear the Senators in. I'll agree we should look at electing senators, but other than that you don't have a clue man. It's like talking to a 10 year old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) If the Governor General is no longer going to represent the Monarch, then the GG can represent the interests of the Canadian People. Doing this would not take away from the Monarch. But it would take away from our system by politicising the viceregal office; in Papua New Guinea, where the Governor-General is selected by parliamentary vote (not even popular election) the contest for the post of Queen's representative has sometimes resulted in court challenges over the tallying of votes. By turning the position into one filled via election, the process of selecting a Governor General would divide the nation; "the Canadian People" is not a politically unified body of automatons. [c/e] Edited December 3, 2009 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I can't recall a PM not having been elcted first to parliament. John Napier Turner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 John Napier Turner. Hey good one dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I can't recall a PM not having been elcted first to parliament. Sir John Joseph Caldwell Abbott and Sir Mackenzie Bowell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 The only way for Canadians to regain the Country from the Corrupt Liberals and The Conservatives is for the Monarch to allow Canadians to elect the Governor General to represent the Monarch. Why stop there, also for Canadians to elect the Senators as well. What is happening now, unelected PM is putting forward a list of Senators who the GG rubber stamps. The Canadian people should put forward the Senators via an election and then the elected GG can swear the Senators in. Right, right, if three is too many ("confusing!") and two is "corrupt", the holy Monarchy would be our only salvation. Back to the future! Understand that the problem is with Canadians themselves, the way they relate, know and show interest in their political system. The parties are only a symptom of the problem, and they'll never be any better than the public they are expected to lead or represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Sir John Joseph Caldwell Abbott and Sir Mackenzie Bowell. Wow...on the ball guys. Can you tell I was too lazy to check myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Right, right, if three is too many ("confusing!") and two is "corrupt", the holy Monarchy would be our only salvation. Back to the future! Understand that the problem is with Canadians themselves, the way they relate, know and show interest in their political system. The parties are only a symptom of the problem, and they'll never be any better than the public they are expected to lead or represent. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ignorance, stupidity and apathy are the greatest threats to democracy. Sadly these are plentiful in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I remember an election. Unfortunately for you, all of the morons, unemployed basement dwellers, tree huggers and refugees in our country were either too lazy too vote, or were too stupid to vote intelligently. Parliament is not controlled by the PM. He governs Canada through the impotence of Canada's other parties and just so happens to wield the largest amount of influence. I almost feel like you need a grade school lesson on how the British Parliamentary system works, but sadly I'm not sure you've got what it takes between the ears to absorb it. Actually, this is where you are wrong. The unelected person whether from a minority or a majority party become Prime Minister. After which the PM is empowered to Choose the Cabinet who controls the Federal Government and All their Actions. This continues in the unelected PM's choice of a Rubber stamp GG and the unelected PMs senate and Judicial appointments. For an unelected person they have alot of power over the "operations" of Canada and the future direction of decisions after they leave office. Canada's parliament is designed to be overseen by the Governor General. The Only way for this to happen is if Canadians choose and elect the Governor General to Represent the Monarch. I'll agree we should look at electing senators, but other than that you don't have a clue man. It's like talking to a 10 year old... Everything I have said is fact. Unlike you I have an agenda of democracy, you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 But it would take away from our system by politicising the viceregal office; in Papua New Guinea, where the Governor-General is selected by parliamentary vote (not even popular election) the contest for the post of Queen's representative has sometimes resulted in court challenges over the tallying of votes. By turning the position into one filled via election, the process of selecting a Governor General would divide the nation; "the Canadian People" is not a politically unified body of automatons. [c/e] The Governor General is no different then the President of the United States. The President of the United States does not pass laws. The president forms the administration/Cabinet and has the power to veto all acts of congress. The Govenor General has the power to veto all acts of Parliament. That is what Canadians need to put these corrupt politicians on a short leash. If Canadians directly vote for this person and the majority vote is counted (electoral college system) that person has to be supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Right, right, if three is too many ("confusing!") and two is "corrupt", the holy Monarchy would be our only salvation. Back to the future! Understand that the problem is with Canadians themselves, the way they relate, know and show interest in their political system. The parties are only a symptom of the problem, and they'll never be any better than the public they are expected to lead or represent. The problem with Canada its population increased from 20 million to 34 million mostly through Immigrations since 1982. These are economic migrants are actually enjoying a life style better than they could have dreamed of wherever they came from. Canada's democratic voice has been watered and muddied and the only way back to clear water is for the Monarch to right the tiller. Canadians electing a GG would go a long way in restoring Canada to a democratic prosperous Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Canadians electing a GG would go a long way in restoring Canada to a democratic prosperous Country. You forgot to mention how Canadian's electing a so-so GG would be any better than them electing the same kind of PM. If Canadians won't look forward, but remain absorbed squarely in preservation of status quo and self gratification, then reluctant to act, obscure, arrogant (through lack of transparency and effective independent checks and balances) government is what they'll get because it'd most closely relate to their aspirations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 You forgot to mention how Canadian's electing a so-so GG would be any better than them electing the same kind of PM. If Canadians won't look forward, but remain absorbed squarely in preservation of status quo and self gratification, then reluctant to act, obscure, arrogant (through lack of transparency and effective independent checks and balances) government is what they'll get because it'd most closely relate to their aspirations. The Governor General is the Monarch's representive in Canada. Nothing makes into law or a position appointed unless it is signed off by the Governor General. The Governor General is the head of state. The Governor General is a product of the BNA act and in the 1982 Constitution and has been apart of Canada's parliament since 1867. Now, the GG selected by the unelected Prime Minister is signed off without consideration by the monarch and serves a 5 year term. The Governor General is more a less a rubber stamp. Because of Canada's Constitution and the existence of the Monarch the best way for Canadians to keep a leash on Parliament is to elect a governor general who will act in the interest of Canadians and not the Interests of the corrupt conservatives or liberals. The GG already exists and the GG has the power to veto all acts of parliament. Canada doesn't need to do anything other than have the monarch issue a proclamation stating Canadians will choose and elect the Governor General to represent the Monarch. Given the dynamics of Canada this is the short cut to Canadians regaining Canada from the corrupt conservatives and liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 [T]he best way for Canadians to keep a leash on Parliament is to elect a governor general... Given the dynamics of Canada this is the short cut to Canadians regaining Canada from the corrupt conservatives and liberals. By being popularly elected, the Governor General becomes an erstatz president, a post for which candidates belonging to political parties will campaign, and, in the end, the viceroy is a politically charged individual given the majority mandate to push the policies of his or her particular party. Guess your plan sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowhere Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 By being popularly elected, the Governor General becomes an erstatz president, a post for which candidates belonging to political parties will campaign, and, in the end, the viceroy is a politically charged individual given the majority mandate to push the policies of his or her particular party. Guess your plan sucks. Not really, because Canadians have directly voted for this person instead of an unelected prime minister. This direction makes sense for a truly independent and prosperous Canada. Any move towards a more democratic voice has to be embraced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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