whowhere Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_powers Constitutional monarchiesHeads of state in countries with either an uncodified and partly unwritten constitution (such as the United Kingdom) or a wholly written constitution that consists of a text augmented by additional conventions, traditions, Letters Patent, etc. (such as the Commonwealth of Australia) generally have reserve powers. Typically these powers are: to dismiss a Prime Minister; to refuse to dissolve Parliament; to refuse or delay the Royal Assent to legislation. To withhold the Royal Assent amounts to a veto of a Bill. To reserve the Royal Assent in effect amounts to a decision neither to grant or refuse assent, but to delay taking a decision for an undetermined period of time. In Australia, Royal Assent can also be reserved by the Governor-General in order for the Queen to sign a Bill into law - this is 'reserving the Bill for Her Majesty's pleasure'. How about we petition the Queen to Fire the Conservatives, the Liberals and all political parties out of existence forcing New parties to be created in their place to start Canada off on a clean slate. Face it Canada is in entrenchly corrupt country where the Conservatives or Liberals use the Government for their personal benefit. Conrad Black is in Jail in the US for thinking that way. We need the Queen's office to fire the prime Minister and refuse to sign any legislation coming from the Conservative and Liberals. We need people who will represent Canada and Canadians not prostitute Canada and Canadians out for other Countries and peoples benefit. Two blazing examples, Canada is a world leading supplier in the ingrediants required to produce beer, yet when those ingredients are put together in Canada we have a case of Budweiser being sold for $45 dollars Canadian and that same Case being sold in the US for a 11.50 US. Our dollars is almost at par. Another example is Canada produces more than it consumes but insists on selling the oil to the world at world prices. Fine, but the US is a big importer of Oil, yet at the pump their Gas is 30 to 40 percent lower what Canadians have to pay. These are only tips of the ice berq as to the corruption of the Conservatives and Liberals. Our solution is to petition the Queens office to fire the Conservative and Liberals and refuse to acknowledge their incompetent governance. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Two blazing examples, Canada is a world leading supplier in the ingrediants required to produce beer, yet when those ingredients are put together in Canada we have a case of Budweiser being sold for $45 dollars Canadian and that same Case being sold in the US for a 11.50 US. Our dollars is almost at par. What kind of self respecting Canadian wants to drink Budweiser? Another example is Canada produces more than it consumes but insists on selling the oil to the world at world prices. Fine, but the US is a big importer of Oil, yet at the pump their Gas is 30 to 40 percent lower what Canadians have to pay. The USA produces far more oil thna Canada, and also sells at "world price". Your price is higher because of taxes and a lack of refining capacity. These are only tips of the ice berq as to the corruption of the Conservatives and Liberals.Our solution is to petition the Queens office to fire the Conservative and Liberals and refuse to acknowledge their incompetent governance. That's not going to happen, but you can solve your issues the way many other Canadians have....move to the USA. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 The USA produces far more oil thna Canada, and also sells at "world price". Your price is higher because of taxes and a lack of refining capacity. The U.S. produces more oil than Canada, but unlike Canada, it uses more than it produces. "Canada output 35% more oil than it used in 2005 [while] America consumes a third more than domestic oil production." link Quote
Topaz Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Back to the topic, wouldn't it be faster and cheaper if the Greens NDP and Libs joined together as one party and called its self the ABC party? We would have the environment from the Greens, the social programs from the NDP and the level-head debt free of the Libs!! Harper would go back to Imperial and take them into a deficit! Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Back to the topic, wouldn't it be faster and cheaper if the Greens NDP and Libs joined together as one party and called its self the ABC party? We would have the environment from the Greens, the social programs from the NDP and the level-head debt free of the Libs!! Harper would go back to Imperial and take them into a deficit! The production and cost of oil in Canada is on topic: We need people who will represent Canada and Canadians not prostitute Canada and Canadians out for other Countries and peoples benefit.Two blazing examples.... Another example is Canada produces more than it consumes but insists on selling the oil to the world at world prices. Fine, but the US is a big importer of Oil, yet at the pump their Gas is 30 to 40 percent lower what Canadians have to pay. Canadians do pay more for gas at the pumps because of higher taxes. So why wouldn't Canada sell oil to other countries at world prices? Here's an interesting link breaking down the initial price per gallon in several countries with the countries' taxes added for total cost: Here's a link to the article. So it's hardly an example of Canada being "prostituted." Quote
Wilber Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 What kind of self respecting Canadian wants to drink Budweiser? Exactly, $11.50 Guinness or forget it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
whowhere Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Posted August 16, 2009 Back to the topic, wouldn't it be faster and cheaper if the Greens NDP and Libs joined together as one party and called its self the ABC party? We would have the environment from the Greens, the social programs from the NDP and the level-head debt free of the Libs!! Harper would go back to Imperial and take them into a deficit! What if we petition the Queen's office to Refuse to disolve parliament and refuse to acknowledge any legislation coming from the Conservatives or Liberals from here on out. In turn the Queen's office could systematically cleans the parliament by firing all the corrupt party polticians and force those areas to reelect independent politicians not affiliated with any party period. Once Canada's parliament is filled with Independent politicians the Queen's office could then hold a vote of parliament or better yet have an election to the Canadian people who will be the Prime Minister of Canada out of those elected to parliament. The Queen's office could make mandatory 4 year terms for each region. These elections could be staggard so as to not disrupt the momentum of Parliament. For example, the provinces and territories can be divided by 4 which would mean 3 regions would be electing independent politicians in any given year. We need politicians who are going to go to bat and represent Canada and do right by Canadians; Not prostitute them out for other Countries and peoples benefit. At the moment that is what the Conservative have done to Canada. Under the Conservatives, Canadians pay more taxes, make lower wages, pay higher Gas prices, Pay higher food prices. The conservative have turned Canada into a Reverse Colony where Countries look to Canada see how little they can get away with in paying wages and taxes and how much they can export to the US to drive up profits to be siphoned back to Japan, the US, Europe, and anywhere else but back into Canada's economy. Think about that. Lower Wages than comparable countries and higher retail costs equals failed governance. The conservatives and the Liberals alike think they are clever in their immigration policies to fragment Canada's vote to ensure they continue to grip power. However, it is possible to purge Canada of the Conservative and Liberal Cancer that has turned Canada into an exploitative, repressive, bottom sucking country whore. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Smallc Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Under the Conservatives, Canadians pay more taxes, make lower wages, pay higher Gas prices, Pay higher food prices. There are reasons for that, not the least of which being inflation. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 How about we petition the Queen to Fire the Conservatives, the Liberals and all political parties out of existence forcing New parties to be created in their place to start Canada off on a clean slate. Face it Canada is in entrenchly corrupt country where the Conservatives or Liberals use the Government for their personal benefit. Conrad Black is in Jail in the US for thinking that way. We need the Queen's office to fire the prime Minister and refuse to sign any legislation coming from the Conservative and Liberals. We need people who will represent Canada and Canadians not prostitute Canada and Canadians out for other Countries and peoples benefit. Our solution is to petition the Queens office to fire the Conservative and Liberals and refuse to acknowledge their incompetent governance. Sounds good to me! Get Conrad Black to lead one of the new parties! I'd vote for him in a heartbeat! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) The U.S. produces more oil than Canada, but unlike Canada, it uses more than it produces. "Canada output 35% more oil than it used in 2005 [while] America consumes a third more than domestic oil production." link Irrelevant to the question at hand....Canada's oil production, refining, and distribution are closely tied to the US market. This OP, as in many others like it, fails to understand the advantages of having access to the largest single market in the world, or the impact of domestic taxes. Americans pay different prices for petrol as well, but it doesn't mean we should overthrow the government. Edited August 16, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Irrelevant to the question at hand....Canada's oil production, refining, and distribution are closely tied to the US market. This OP, as in many others like it, fails to understand the advantages of having access to the largest single market in the world, or the impact of domestic taxes. Americans pay different prices for petrol as well, but it doesn't mean we should overthrow the government. Canada's Government has never been overthrown maybe it's time for it to be. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Canada's Government has never been overthrown maybe it's time for it to be. OK..but you will need permission from the Queen. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 OK..but you will need permission from the Queen. That could cause a slight problem but there is always a way. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Irrelevant to the question at hand....Canada's oil production, refining, and distribution are closely tied to the US market. This OP, as in many others like it, fails to understand the advantages of having access to the largest single market in the world, or the impact of domestic taxes. Americans pay different prices for petrol as well, but it doesn't mean we should overthrow the government. Nor do I think Canada should overthrow the government over gas prices. In fact, if you read my posts, I say quite the opposite; that higher taxes are the main reason for the difference in gas prices there and in the U.S. and that the price Canadians pay for gas isn't "prostituting" Canada, as claimed. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Nor do I think Canada should overthrow the government over gas prices. In fact, if you read my posts, I say quite the opposite; that higher taxes are the main reason for the difference in gas prices there and in the U.S. and that the price Canadians pay for gas isn't "prostituting" Canada, as claimed. I'm not sure what you meant in the context of the USA being a net importer. No matter.....it is certainly no reason to rebel in the streets. Frankly, I don't know why some of these folks beat themselves up over "lower prices" in America while at the same time crowing about "cheaper" health care in Canada. But I know there are Canadians who drive across the border just to satisfy the perceived "injustice". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
g_bambino Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 OK..but you will need permission from the Queen. As all Canadian governments are appointed by the Queen - even if by proxy - if it had her blessing it would cease to be an overthrow. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 As all Canadian governments are appointed by the Queen - even if by proxy - if it had her blessing it would cease to be an overthrow. Well then, we'll just have to make sure she puts up a stink! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bryan Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 How about we petition the Queen to Fire the Conservatives, the Liberals and all political parties out of existence forcing New parties to be created in their place to start Canada off on a clean slate. The Conservatives are already a new party. So we only have to get the Queen to kill off the Liberals and the NDP to complete your vision. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 The Conservatives are already a new party. So we only have to get the Queen to kill off the Liberals and the NDP to complete your vision. Sadly, they are NOT a new party! They WERE a new party, as Reform/Alliance! When they merged with the tiny remnant of the old Progressive Conservative Party, they promptly began a process of becoming a clone of the PC party that existed before Reform was ever created. Actions speak louder than words. Can you cite me anything of the old Reform platform in the new CPC? Can you cite me any significant differences between the new CPC and the old Progressive Conservatives? Can you tell me why Preston Manning even bothered? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Moonlight Graham Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I'd rather Canadians themselves use their votes to fire the Conservatives if so chosen rather than relying on a foreigner who derives 100% of her power from who her mommy and daddy were. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 The Queen isn't a foreigner, and most of the rest of what you said is plain ignorance....I really wish people would read. Quote
whowhere Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Posted August 18, 2009 The only good party is unelected party, vote independent. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Moonlight Graham Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) The Queen isn't a foreigner, and most of the rest of what you said is plain ignorance....I really wish people would read. Queen Elizabeth II may be our Head of State and leader of the Commonwealth for which we are a part of, but she's still a foreigner in my eyes. And yes, her power comes from who her parents were (or more specifically, her father), rather than any will of the people, making her power undemocratic and (in my opinion) illegitimate. These are just my opinions. My main point was that i think Canadian voters should decide disposing of a gov`t whenever possible, rather than the British Monarch or the Gov. General. (edited for a stupid spelling error) Edited August 20, 2009 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Oleg Bach Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 The Queen is not some interloper- she is the head of the greatest royal corporation on earth - the British Common WEALTH. We are part of that company and will always be the company - Canadians that think that she is a "foreigner" are like kids living on an allowance from their parents - with their own apartment - Mum just lets you believe you are independent - but she will always be watching and can retract that allowance at any time. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 19, 2009 Report Posted August 19, 2009 Queen Elizabeth II may be our Head of State and leader of the Commonwealth for which we are a part of, but she's still a foreigner in my eyes. And yes, her power comes from who her parents were (or more specifically, her father), rather than any will of the power, making her power undemocratic and (in my opinion) illegitimate.These are just my opinions. My main point was that i think Canadian voters should decide disposing of a gov`t whenever possible, rather than the British Monarch or the Gov. General. You have your legalities wrong. Canada is a Dominion, not a colony. We happen to SHARE the same Queen as Britain! We have complete and utter independence from Britain. By definition, the Queen is as Canadian as you or I! Any Brit could use your arguments as a reason to consider the Queen as a "Canadian foreigner"! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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