Machjo Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 They are.....General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding.....main propulsion and combat subsystems are provided by PRIVATE contractors. But the subs themselves aren't. Why not put the military up on Wall Street? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 But the subs themselves aren't. Why not put the military up on Wall Street? It is.....what would you like to buy today? We are having a "Cash for Clunkers Sale" this week for helicopters and medium airlift cargo planes.....just bring down your worn out Canadian airframes and get a rebate of up to $4500 USD per clunker*. *Clunker must be airworthy and owned for at least one year (definitley not a problem for Canada). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 But the subs themselves aren't. Why not put the military up on Wall Street? Because national defense and security are actual constitutional requirements of the government. Quote
Shady Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 And it's a fact that large bureaucracies are wasteful and inefficient. Yay government! Quote
Machjo Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 Because national defense and security are actual constitutional requirements of the government. As far as I know, transport is not a constitutional requirement. So time to scrap the roads I think. Wallstreet would love it. Buy a lane and charge a fee for it. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Shady Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 What about FedEx and UPS? Great point Mr. President! Quote
Machjo Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Great point Mr. President! Hmmm.... he should have put more thought into that. Instead, I woudl have argued it this way: The US postal service provides essential postal service, but if you're willing to pay the price for more non-essential services, such as faster overnight delivery, etc., then you're free to do so. The parallel with the health care system is that the government would provide essential healthcare while you'd be free to pay the price if you wish for additional non-essential amenities. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Wilber Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Great point Mr. President! I think his point should have been that in this case at least, private business can co-exist with a government run entity. Trying to sell another government run system by saying an existing one sucks doesn't make much of an argument for me. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Machjo Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Also, I assume the postal service is cheaper than the others too, isn't it? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Also, I assume the postal service is cheaper than the others too, isn't it? US Postal Service has a monopoly on First Class Mail....it would be insolvent without it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 US Postal Service has a monopoly on First Class Mail....it would be insolvent without it. Most postal services would be but what country has a private postal system and who would deliver your junk mail? When I think that someone will deliver my letter door to door anywhere in the country for around 50 cents, that's a damn good deal. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Most postal services would be but what country has a private postal system and who would deliver your junk mail? Several nations have introduced market competition, eliminating the monopoly. It's called junk mail for a reason. When I think that someone will deliver my letter door to door anywhere in the country for around 50 cents, that's a damn good deal. Cost is a secondary consideration compared to speed and reliability. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Several nations have introduced market competition, eliminating the monopoly. It's called junk mail for a reason.Cost is a secondary consideration compared to speed and reliability. Speed is not always a consideration. I find the postal system quite reliable. I rarely use couriers. When it comes to speed, I expect them to deliver when they say they will regardless of who is doing it. If a private company will pick up my letter and deliver it to the other side of the country for 50 cents, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Junk mail is what subsidizes my letter. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Machjo Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 US Postal Service has a monopoly on First Class Mail....it would be insolvent without it. Legal monopoly or de facto monopoly? If legal, then such protectionism doesn't say much for its competence. If de facto, then that would suggest they've done something right. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 ....If a private company will pick up my letter and deliver it to the other side of the country for 50 cents, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Junk mail is what subsidizes my letter. Twenty-five years ago I posted an ad in the National Enquirer selling information for the elimination of junk mail.....price...$1.00. The only response with money in the envelope came from Canada.....but since the information didn't apply to Canada, I mailed their money back. All other repsonses were other (better) ideas on how to get rich. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Legal monopoly or de facto monopoly? If legal, then such protectionism doesn't say much for its competence. If de facto, then that would suggest they've done something right. It is a legal monopoly in the USA. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 It is a legal monopoly in the USA. It is a legal monopoly in Canada. Health Care in Canada is an industry. Health care in the U.S.A is also an industry. Healing of human beings and the maintainance of health of human beings should never be done with an attitude based on industrial grounds. We are humans and not a commodity - I am still shocked at our system of health - Where are medical community is totally controlled by big phama - IF our population was without illness - It would be neccesary to make the population sick in order to maintain this sick status quo - where humanity is milked of it's blood so a select few can thrive like parasites. There is no difference between our two systems - ours is TOTALLY privatized..to the point that "government" IS big buisness. The American system at least admits openly that they are a for profit system - we hide that fact under the guise of socialism that is capitalism in it's highest and most insidious form. Quote
Machjo Posted August 15, 2009 Report Posted August 15, 2009 Hmmm.... he should have put more thought into that.Instead, I woudl have argued it this way: The US postal service provides essential postal service, but if you're willing to pay the price for more non-essential services, such as faster overnight delivery, etc., then you're free to do so. The parallel with the health care system is that the government would provide essential healthcare while you'd be free to pay the price if you wish for additional non-essential amenities. Or another way of looking at it is that the government would not prohibit private health care, but if it does a good job with public health care, then interest in any private system would wane anyway. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Shady Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 The US postal service provides essential postal service, but if you're willing to pay the price for more non-essential services, such as faster overnight delivery, etc., then you're free to do so. I disagree. In my opinion, faster delivery would qualify as essential service. While snail mail would qualify as non-essential. Quote
Wilber Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I disagree. In my opinion, faster delivery would qualify as essential service. While snail mail would qualify as non-essential. It's only essential if you need overnight service. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guthrie Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I love it when reactionary clowns talk about killing the USPS --- especially when I think about how it is one of the specific services actually mandated by the US constitution U.S. Constitution: Article I - Section 8. ... To establish Post Offices and post Roads; ... sure, it's socialized communications - but what can the reactionary right do but expose themselves as the willfully ignorant group they really are Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
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