Shady Posted July 18, 2009 Report Posted July 18, 2009 Obama vs Obama On The Stimulus The Democrats are gonna have a rough time defending their stewardship of things, especially when unemployment is in double-digits, taxes are higher, and deficits are setting records. Hope n change! Quote
Guest Tyler90 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Posted July 18, 2009 As long as he's not sending thousands of troops to die in stupid pointless wars like Iraq, he's still better than anything the Republican's can send to the polls. America needs a real progressive, left wing party, I'm tired of this stupid far right Republican and center right Democrat stuff and then everyone using words like liberal and socialist to describe them, if you think Obama is a socialist, you're a moron. I think he's more or less just rational and knows the economy needs some sort of regulation. Quote
kimmy Posted July 18, 2009 Report Posted July 18, 2009 The commercial blurs the difference between the speed with which the stimulus measures were implemented ("right now", "immediately", etc) and the speed with which the stimulus would begin to have an effect ("...not designed to work in 4 months".) I can't recall that anybody ever claimed that even if all that money got released this spring (did it?) that it would have ended the recession just a fiscal quarter later. This is just plain dishonest advertising, in my view. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
August1991 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) No one expects the fiscal stimulus to work fully within a few months. Obama is at most guilty of political hyperbole and the Republicans are guilty of cherry-picking the quotes. IMV, the following graph is a more serious indictment. Unemployment - Projected and Observed, with and without stimulus plan Pretty soon, you'll hear Obama and Romer utter the immortal words: "I think we're going to need a bigger boat." Edited July 18, 2009 by August1991 Quote
Shady Posted July 18, 2009 Author Report Posted July 18, 2009 Unemployment is at 9.5 percent, even though the White House predicted in January that with the stimulus bill, it would rise to only about 8 percent. NPR And it looks like unemployment will be over 10% very shortly. WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President-elect Obama said Saturday an analysis of his stimulus proposals shows that between 3 million and 4 million U.S. jobs could be saved or created by 2010, nearly 90% of them in the private sector. CNN Apparently it's gonna create 3 - 4 million jobs, but the economy has shed almost 3 million jobs since it was signed into law. But at least Joe Biden's being honest when he said the following... We 'Misread the Economy' ABC News Unfortunately, the President is still in his own imaginary world... July 11 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said his $787 billion stimulus bill “has worked as intended” Bloomberg Sounds like MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Quote
Pliny Posted July 19, 2009 Report Posted July 19, 2009 Pretty soon, you'll hear Obama and Romer utter the immortal words: "I think we're going to need a bigger boat." Good one! Is that quote perhaps from the Carter years? Was he Jaws I and Obama Jaws II? Carter proved himself to be decimating to the economy and Amercan morale, and I think Obama will prove to be the bigger shark. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted July 19, 2009 Report Posted July 19, 2009 July 11 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said his $787 billion stimulus bill “has worked as intended”Bloomberg Sounds like MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Sad, but I think it is mission accomplished if he thinks it has worked as intended. We just don't know what the mission is - well...probably it has something to do with redistributing wealth. first he has to create a class to distribute wealth to and he already recognizes the class that he can get it from. And he plans to unite America? He does say he wants to do away with bipartisanship - that means getting rid of opposition. It doesn't mean differences will be settled. How can Americans settle for becoming a socialist state? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Shady Posted July 20, 2009 Author Report Posted July 20, 2009 More interesting news about Obama's stimulus... ANALYSIS: States Hit Hardest by Recession Get Least Stimulus Money the states hardest hit by the recession received the least money. States with higher bankruptcy, foreclosure and unemployment rates got less money. And higher income states received more. Link Quote
punked Posted July 20, 2009 Report Posted July 20, 2009 More interesting news about Obama's stimulus...ANALYSIS: States Hit Hardest by Recession Get Least Stimulus Money the states hardest hit by the recession received the least money. States with higher bankruptcy, foreclosure and unemployment rates got less money. And higher income states received more. Link Worst analysis ever. Did you look at it? Their correlation or r^2 value would be accepted no where. Look at the graphs it is just a silly conclusion. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 The commercial blurs the difference between the speed with which the stimulus measures were implemented ("right now", "immediately", etc) and the speed with which the stimulus would begin to have an effect ("...not designed to work in 4 months".)I can't recall that anybody ever claimed that even if all that money got released this spring (did it?) that it would have ended the recession just a fiscal quarter later. This is just plain dishonest advertising, in my view. -k Say what you want, Kimmy, but I don't think anyone can argue that this economic slowdown, combined with a disillusionment by the electorate about Bush's last couple of years has created the conditions just right for a radical and dramatically swift move by Obama and other hard core lefties like Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid to vastly growing the size of government. The ad is telling in one respect: the positive effects of stimulous are still uncertain if existent at all. But we do know that government has gotten dramatically bigger. THAT, I believe, was the real goal. Obama is quite far left wing. Very socialist. Everye time he strays from the teleprompter, that is what he has said in plain english. The economic desperation, the backlash against Bush and the 60 senate seats is simply creationg the right opportunity for these guys to implement such an aggresive transformative hard left agenda. Ads like this may stretch things and cherry pick, but if the ultimate strategy is to help people take off the Obama-Rose glasses and see him for what he is: a junior senator with no resume who kept some questionable, if not downright radical company and a pretty agressive socialist agenda, then maybe the ads will have their desired effect. This guy has charming qualities, but make no mistake. His intentions are scary ones. He has piled layer upon layer upon record-breaking layer of massive government debt in the name of social programs. Americans may not have wanted their own trudeau, but they've got him. And they'll be paying for it for generations. Quote
Bonam Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 And he plans to unite America? He does say he wants to do away with bipartisanship - that means getting rid of opposition. It doesn't mean differences will be settled. How can Americans settle for becoming a socialist state? Probably the same way every other Western country is sliding deeper and deeper into socialism. Quote
Radsickle Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Probably the same way every other Western country is sliding deeper and deeper into socialism. wow, that's so, like, deep. Seriously though, what's wrong with Socialism? Eh? Free Health-Care, Free Tuition, less submission to corporate lobbyists.... Edited July 21, 2009 by Radsickle Quote
Shady Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Posted July 21, 2009 wow, that's so, like, deep. Seriously though, what's wrong with Socialism? Eh? Free Health-Care, Free Tuition, less submission to corporate lobbyists.... Because nothing's really free. Quote
Radsickle Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Because nothing's really free. What about water? Ooops, corporations are ruining that too. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 wow, that's so, like, deep. Seriously though, what's wrong with Socialism? Eh? Free Health-Care, Free Tuition, less submission to corporate lobbyists.... Socialism rewards the lazy and punishes the achiever. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 wow, that's so, like, deep. Seriously though, what's wrong with Socialism? Eh? Free Health-Care, Free Tuition, less submission to corporate lobbyists.... Simply put, once you destroy the initiative to enter or maintain business, nobody makes enough money to support your free health care. At that point, those with assets and abilities hoard their wealth or, leave the country entirely thus compounding the problem. What's left is a whole bunch of people looking for free stuff, sort of like going to a teenage house party without beer the week before payday. At that point, everybody would trade their left nut to have the some corporate lobbyist ply them with free beer even if he were Bush. Of course, in a socialist world, you won't have lobbyists as there is no economy to support it. You will however, have lots of government and, lots of government Mafia, and lots of real Mafia. All feeding off people who work like mating sloths and only want free stuff. Anybody that had half a shmick moved their money out years earlier and pay a nickle to see the free seekers dance, mow lawns, have sex with them and so on as their minimum wage jobs just don't buy enough firewood and spam. They will get free health care though, be it a bandaid or a two year wait for an Xray. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
punked Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Simply put, once you destroy the initiative to enter or maintain business, nobody makes enough money to support your free health care. At that point, those with assets and abilities hoard their wealth or, leave the country entirely thus compounding the problem. What's left is a whole bunch of people looking for free stuff, sort of like going to a teenage house party without beer the week before payday. At that point, everybody would trade their left nut to have the some corporate lobbyist ply them with free beer even if he were Bush. Of course, in a socialist world, you won't have lobbyists as there is no economy to support it. You will however, have lots of government and, lots of government Mafia, and lots of real Mafia. All feeding off people who work like mating sloths and only want free stuff. Anybody that had half a shmick moved their money out years earlier and pay a nickle to see the free seekers dance, mow lawns, have sex with them and so on as their minimum wage jobs just don't buy enough firewood and spam. They will get free health care though, be it a bandaid or a two year wait for an Xray. Yah look at Cana..........Wait one minute that didn't happen in Canada. I have had enough of "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" from Republicans. There is a problem and it needs to be fixed. Period end of story. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 ....I have had enough of "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" from Republicans. There is a problem and it needs to be fixed. Period end of story. Says who? You? Good luck! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Says who? You? Good luck! Says 83% of the American public. This time we don't need luck we need a back bone. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/presiden...or-public-plan/ Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Says 83% of the American public. This time we don't need luck we need a back bone. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/presiden...or-public-plan/ Let the games begin.....my money is on Big Money, not putzes who want something for nothing. They have failed seven times to get this done....most certainly will need luck. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Let the games begin.....my money is on Big Money, not putzes who want something for nothing. They have failed seven times to get this done....most certainly will need luck. Most of those times the public was tired of it, and their was no money behind it. This time it is going through it might not look like it does now but it is going to happen one way or another. It might kill the Democrats to do but we are targeting the Blue dogs and if they lose the progressive vote they will be gone in 2010 so I bet they jump ship. PS Snow republican of maine come out for a change over the weekend the ducks are lining up. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Most of those times the public was tired of it, and their was no money behind it. This time it is going through it might not look like it does now but it is going to happen one way or another. It might kill the Democrats to do but we are targeting the Blue dogs and if they lose the progressive vote they will be gone in 2010 so I bet they jump ship. They are already angry with Obama for several other reasons, so they will seek true progressive love elsewhere. PS Snow republican of maine come out for a change over the weekend the ducks are lining up. Doesn't matter...can't pay for it without pissing off a lot of voters who are satisfied with their existing options. Single payer wasn't even a political possiblity. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 They are already angry with Obama for several other reasons, so they will seek true progressive love elsewhere. Maybe or maybe he pushes this and the progressives go with him. Doesn't matter...can't pay for it without pissing off a lot of voters who are satisfied with their existing options. 83% want it. I think you have this statement backwards. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Maybe or maybe he pushes this and the progressives go with him. Not after they see how it is sold out for monied interests. 83% want it. I think you have this statement backwards. Want what? Why is it even an issue then? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Yah look at Cana..........Wait one minute that didn't happen in Canada.I have had enough of "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" from Republicans. There is a problem and it needs to be fixed. Period end of story. Because Canada hasn't yet gone far enough down the path of socialism to destroy initiative and incentive. It is slowly moving that way though, though we have a fair way to go before catastrophe. Edited July 21, 2009 by Bonam Quote
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