bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/KIDNEY-WALL-CLOCK-HUMA...%3A2%7C294%3A50 It looks like yours Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 It looks like yours No...it came from a prisoner in China. He got caught using the Internet. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 No...it came from a prisoner in China. He got caught using the Internet. Good night and enjoy a dream with that. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Good night and enjoy a dream with that. Wan An! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
xul Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Exactly. So many people seem to forget this. When they see allegations and investigations and cinvictions of people in governmenta and politics they take it as a sign that the system is failing. The truth is, the system is working perfectly when these things happen. Quote
Smallc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I fail to see the humour. When people do wrong they are caught....and the system sorts it out. Quote
xul Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) I fail to see the humour. When people do wrong they are caught....and the system sorts it out. I just want to express that I agree with you. Some bjre's opponent have forgotten that they ever also suggested here that Canada should lock drunks into gulag-liked concentration camps to force them work, execute criminals to stop crime or mercifully throw them in tiny cells 23 hours a day as punishment, cancel all unions to be convenient management, use water-boarding as resort to collect information from "national-enemies".... they once made themselves perfectly to the side they allegedly oppose today. Is it funny, isn't it? Edited June 18, 2009 by xul Quote
Smallc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Is it funny, isn't it? Yes...now I see the humour...sorry. Quote
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 Riots are part of the deal. Free people are free to riot.http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories So other people have no freedom to have it stopped even their freedom to go to work lost, their property destroyed and their life killed? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) The PRC has a great deal of control over absolutely everything in China. Tiananmen Square is a prime example of this. After the incident ALL foreign media was barred from the country. Only the PRC press was given access to the area. This should come as no surprise given that present day China's roots stem from a rather sadistic terrorist Chairmen Mao Zedong. Here's an excerpt of an article that demonstrates the kind and caring nature of China circa 1939. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_Mao This article sites 56 sources all of which you will not read or you will dismiss them outright per your usual "debating" methodology. Without Mao, MacArthur would already in China killing. Once he suggested using A-bomb in China. Don't think others as same bad as your ancestors and your freedom fellow politicians. 40 million to 90 million native people were living in the Americas when Columbus arrived in 1492. By 1900, the Native American population to its low point of only about 250,000 people in the United States and about 100,000 in Canada. Who did that? 3 to 4 million Vietnamese, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians, and 58,159 U.S. soldiers were killed when US invade Vietnam. More than 1 million people die in Iraq in the recent war Who did that? Edited June 18, 2009 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Muddy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I heard a rumour that young men are finding a shortage of would be brides in China now! Now how did that come about? Quote
Dave_ON Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 So you just know this, you did not know this when you said "someone who denies the atrocities of Tianamen square". Why you didn't know that, it is because you never get the accurate information. If you can not get accurate information, how can I expect you can always draw correct conclusion? I guess you will support the Iraq war when you heard of Iraq had WMD which has been proven a lie when nearly all media said so at the same time.There are so many news everyday, how can everyone have time and resource to check and verify each one? The freedom of speech in the western world is not much better than China. Because most media are controlled by a same interest group. That is why you have so much inaccurate knowledge. Again you're splitting hairs. Saying that the killings didn't occur in Tianamen square does negate the fact that they DID happen. Since you clearly deny facts that are put before you OR simply dismiss the source, I would proport that it is you who cannot be trusted to draw accurate conclusions. You are selective in your fact finding as is demonstrated by quoting only a part of the article. You deny ANY killings happened near or in Tianamen square, is the location really that important? Does this change the fact that they DID happen? Does it change the fact that armed military personal killed in cold blood innocent unarmed civilians at the governments behest? As mentioned this is ONE article and there are many that contradict the fact that it happened NEAR and not IN, as mentioned it doesn't matter, it STILL happened. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Like Kent State, or maybe Mai Lai? Quote
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Again you're splitting hairs. Saying that the killings didn't occur in Tianamen square does negate the fact that they DID happen. Since you clearly deny facts that are put before you OR simply dismiss the source, I would proport that it is you who cannot be trusted to draw accurate conclusions. You are selective in your fact finding as is demonstrated by quoting only a part of the article. You deny ANY killings happened near or in Tianamen square, is the location really that important? Does this change the fact that they DID happen? Does it change the fact that armed military personal killed in cold blood innocent unarmed civilians at the governments behest? As mentioned this is ONE article and there are many that contradict the fact that it happened NEAR and not IN, as mentioned it doesn't matter, it STILL happened. I did not deny there are death in the post #1 and in the post before you join this forum. However, you are different, you completely ignore the facts I have posted. Only select the part to meet your need. So I assume if you were the Canadian PM, you will blame others with lies only to justify what the killing you would like to start. just like some of your cruelest ancestors. Edited June 18, 2009 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I did not deny there are death in the post #1 and in the post before you join this forum.However, you are different, you completely ignore the facts I have posted. Only select the part to meet your need. So I assume if you were the Canadian PM, you will blame others with lies only to justify what the killing you would like to start. just like some of your cruelest ancestors. Canada or any other nation should have no say in what another nation does. The place for that is the UN, and that system needs to abolish the VETO powers of the security counsel. Democracy is what can make us safe and secure, nothing else will do it. Quote
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 Canada or any other nation should have no say in what another nation does. The place for that is the UN, and that system needs to abolish the VETO powers of the security counsel. Democracy is what can make us safe and secure, nothing else will do it. That's a good choice, although I think education is more important than democracy because only there are many politicians who are willing to work for peace and for people and who have the ability to do so will democracy be useful. Those people can only be bring out from good education system. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Muddy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Like Kent State, or maybe Mai Lai? Good point ,but the facts came out and the USA wore the scars. The difference with the Red Chinese they will not make public how many were killed,not only in the square but in Mao`s purges. For years the left denyed that Stalin was murdering his own people by the millions. The Chinese still have that Stalinistic attitude towards it`s own people. . Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Good point ,but the facts came out and the USA wore the scars. The difference with the Red Chinese they will not make public how many were killed,not only in the square but in Mao`s purges. For years the left denyed that Stalin was murdering his own people by the millions. The Chinese still have that Stalinistic attitude towards it`s own people. . That is the key isn't it? The phrase towards it`s own people. ., not ours but theirs. Their responsibility, not ours. In time China will change, it does that just like we do. The point is we need to be on firm ground with them when it does happen. How many natives have we killed in this nation? There are skeltons everywhere and we all live in glass houses. Quote
Muddy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 That is the key isn't it? The phrase , not ours but theirs. Their responsibility, not ours. In time China will change, it does that just like we do. The point is we need to be on firm ground with them when it does happen. How many natives have we killed in this nation? There are skeltons everywhere and we all live in glass houses. Then we should ignore the indiscretions of America too? We can`t change history but we must acknowlege that it happened. Quote
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Good point ,but the facts came out and the USA wore the scars. The difference with the Red Chinese they will not make public how many were killed,not only in the square but in Mao`s purges. For years the left denyed that Stalin was murdering his own people by the millions. The Chinese still have that Stalinistic attitude towards it`s own people. . In your Europe history, how many your own people been killed by your own Europe people? Western country invade Africa, America, and Asia, they kill people and rob things wherever they went. include kill more than 90% native people in North American. The Royal Museums still have many Chinese treasures robber by your ancestors. Even Washington own more than 100 slaves. That is what you called human right, freedom, democracy. What do you want now? You want riot all over the world, and people kill each other, and become you so called democracy, and buy media and control parliament of other countries and do legal robbery all over the world. That is the all human right and democracy politicians want. Edited June 18, 2009 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 In your Europe history, how many your own people been killed by your own Europe people?Western country invade Africa, America, and Asia, they kill people and rob things wherever they went. include kill more than 90% native people in North American. The Royal Museums still have many Chinese treasures robber by your ancestors. Even Washington own more than 100 slaves. That is what you called human right, freedom, democracy. Yes...even the native people killed and enslaved each other. What is your point? What do you want now? You want riot all over the world, and people kill each other, and become you so called democracy, and buy media and control parliament of other countries and do legal robbery all over the world. That is the all human right and democracy politicians want. How many people emmigrate to China compared to Canada and USA? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 Then we should ignore the indiscretions of America too? We can`t change history but we must acknowlege that it happened. Than what, can they alive again? After a murder acknowledge killed another person, he can have freedom? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bjre Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Posted June 18, 2009 Yes...even the native people killed and enslaved each other. What is your point? That is not the reason your European kill them. and they did not kill 90% of their own people. Can a murder say he did it ok because other kills? How many people emmigrate to China compared to Canada and USA? Chinese people come here not for kill others. They won't kill 90% European people. Because they are the people have moral. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Dave_ON Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Without Mao, MacArthur would already in China killing. Once he suggested using A-bomb in China.Don't think others as same bad as your ancestors and your freedom fellow politicians. 40 million to 90 million native people were living in the Americas when Columbus arrived in 1492. By 1900, the Native American population to its low point of only about 250,000 people in the United States and about 100,000 in Canada. Who did that? 3 to 4 million Vietnamese, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians, and 58,159 U.S. soldiers were killed when US invade Vietnam. More than 1 million people die in Iraq in the recent war Who did that? Once again you deflect rather than address. How is it you can live in such a state of constant denial? You're ancestors are far worse so that makes what Mao did ok. Because others have done wrong it negates what Mao did? Do you honestly think China is so very perfect and the rest of the world is so flawed? You still haven't answered my question. If China is so great and Canada is so evil why do you stay? You've already said you make $100,000.00 a year surely you can afford the move back. So what keeps you here? Other than your need to malign and harangue? Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
Muddy Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Yes Bire we do get some wonderful Chinese immigrants here. They are productive people and persue their dreams in freedom. How did this come about? It was because Canadians of yesterday made it possible. You know the ones. Some are buried in Hong Kong fighting the Japanese. And yes they were mostly European descent Canadians. Millions have been killed in peacetime in Mao`s China. That is fact . Yes peace time ,just like in Russia. Communism does nothing for the people. democracy allows freedom to succeed. Quote
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