Carter says Gaza Palestinians treated like animals

KrustyKidd · June 18, 2009

What? That is preposterous. Surely you jest?

No Bonam, I do not. Did you know that Palestinians immediately rejected Partition and resolution 181 and in fact, from May of 1948, have attacked Israel without ever making a peace that even they themselves, to this day, could accept. Not being able to fight directly, they smuggle in missiles and bombs in order to kill Israeli women and children (ooops, once in a while they screw up and actually kill a soldier.) So, to Israel, (who naturally, like any other government on the planet) holds the protection of it's tax base as it's number one function, placing Palestinian security and paper products in any wild assed priority is a non starter.

A lot of things can change and it's time for it. However, one thing has not changed and that is expecting Israel to give up the security of one person in order to placate people who are out to kill every last one of them.

Bonam · June 18, 2009

Sorry, was sarcasm, thought it was pretty obvious :lol:

KrustyKidd · June 18, 2009

Sorry, was sarcasm, thought it was pretty obvious

It 'twas Bonam. I just snickered and took the opportunity to further inject some reality to those who think in only one hateful dimension, and, leave those with this quote from the original leader of the Arab League;

(May 15, 1948), Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".

And some feel that allowing weapons to pass through with crayons is a good thing. I think that maybe, with this sentiment never fully adjusted, that Israel has every right to be skeptical of sincerity and wishes to ensure that no weapons are being passed through along with necessities.

Buddah boom!

benny · June 18, 2009

I have an idea, don't use the border crossings to move weapons in through. Then once a bit of trust is built up, paper will move somewhat faster.

Trusting the powerless is futile.

KrustyKidd · June 18, 2009

Trusting the powerless is futile.

I talked with the aunt of a girlfriend I had once in Israel in '79. She was a twelve year old girl in '48 and remembers the broadcasts from the Arab radio stations.

All similar to this;

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".

She said it was terrifying. Couldn't understand where all that hate came from and why they would want to kill her. Six nations amassed on the partition borders of Israel to exterminate every last one of them in May - and failed. Since then, nothing has changed whatsoever except the comparative degradation of power that the Arabs have and, the ability of Jews to defend themselves.

When the powerless change their goals, then things will change. Until then, Israel cannot allow hateful freaks to kill their people. Even to risk that is insanity. When all understand this, and, make true peace overtures then things can begin to change. If peace is the goal, then peace should be the motive with land, money and cooperation by products of a valued peace. Not the other way around where they still hate the Jews but will accept them barely only if they get certain things.

Oleg Bach · June 18, 2009

Trusting the powerless is futile.

You never know who is powerful or not - rule number one - never underestimate anyone ever.

benny · June 18, 2009

Six nations amassed on the partition borders of Israel

The borders of Israel were in fact that of a phony state implanted in the shadow of the declining British Empire/rising US Empire.

bush_cheney2004 · June 18, 2009

The borders of Israel were in fact that of a phony state implanted in the shadow of the declining British Empire/rising US Empire.

Yep....just like Canada and 13 Colonies.....except there was no UN vote.

tango · June 18, 2009

I have an idea, don't use the border crossings to move weapons in through. Then once a bit of trust is built up, paper will move somewhat faster.

The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves.

They are under seige.

bush_cheney2004 · June 18, 2009

The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves.

So does Israel......

DogOnPorch · June 18, 2009

The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves.
They are under seige.

How did it get to the state where Gaza was "under siege"? Why...when...how?

Who was the original leader of the "Palestinian Cause"? (Arab 'Zionism')

What did he do during WW2?

What now famous family member took over for the above person upon retirement?

What was his method for getting the word out re: the "Palestinian Cause"?

Where was he born?

What were the results of WW1 in the Middle-East?

What two famous documents marked the roadmap to Palestine and Israel as nation states?

Why is Jerusalem important to Muslims?

Edited June 18, 2009 by DogOnPorch

Bonam · June 19, 2009

Those questions are clearly irrelevant. The Palestinians are innocent victims! Just look at how terribly they are suffering.

I mean, I'd be suffering too if the only cartoon I could watch was "mickey mouse fights the evil Zionists".

tango · June 19, 2009

A.) According to the UN Human Rights Council's Special Report on Palestine, Gazans are effectively imprisoned; movement in and out of the Territory is "impossible;" food, water, health care, sewage treatment, sanitation and other essentials "can no longer be taken for granted."

http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/080408Lendman.shtml

Gaza Under Siege

The Gaza Strip has been a virtual prison for Palestinians for over fifty years.

http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/clgaza.html

benny · June 19, 2009

Yep....just like Canada and 13 Colonies.....except there was no UN vote.

Natives are also treated like animals.

Bonam · June 19, 2009

A.) According to the UN Human Rights Council's Special Report on Palestine, Gazans are effectively imprisoned; movement in and out of the Territory is "impossible;" food, water, health care, sewage treatment, sanitation and other essentials "can no longer be taken for granted."
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/080408Lendman.shtml

Gaza Under Siege

The Gaza Strip has been a virtual prison for Palestinians for over fifty years.

http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/clgaza.html

The UN is well known for its bias against Israel.

http://www.adl.org/international/Israel-UN...ntroduction.asp

http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conf...-2002-05-20.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Pales..._is_anti-Israel

Even read your quote and you can see it's clearly BS.

Gazans are effectively imprisoned

What does effective imprisonment imply? What does it mean?

movement in and out of the Territory is "impossible;"

Notice how "impossible" is in quotes, because it's plainly an incorrect word to use, and is in fact an outright lie. Palestinians move in and out of the Gaza strip on a daily basis, to access services in Israel. Movement is also possible across the border with Egypt. Movement may be restricted, but it is definitely not impossible. Replace the word "impossible" with the word "restricted", and the statement applies equally to just about any zone which has active hostilities between two sides, as it should for the security of both sides.

food, water, health care, sewage treatment, sanitation and other essentials "can no longer be taken for granted."

Notice the statement "can no longer be taken for granted". It is deliberately vague and says nothing. Health care can not be taken for granted by citizens of the United States either, nor is food, water, sewage treatment, etc, completely assured in many other areas of the world besides Gaza.

In effect, the entire quotation is a carefully constructed lie, twisting of the truth, and clever use of words made specifically to criticize and demonize Israel.

benny · June 19, 2009

In effect, the entire quotation is a carefully constructed lie, twisting of the truth, and clever use of words made specifically to criticize and demonize Israel.

Demonizing Israel is the right thing to do because nuclear power is the demon that should not get out of its bottle.

KrustyKidd · June 19, 2009

Demonizing Israel is the right thing to do because nuclear power is the demon that should not get out of its bottle.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".

Why don't you demonize those fucks Benny?

benny · June 19, 2009

Why don't you demonize those fucks Benny?

Because those are only empty words.

KrustyKidd · June 19, 2009

Because those are only empty words.

When they are proven not to be then peace will prevail. your opinion means little to Israel's security, so many wish those words to be true that they must be careful not to allow all those with that intent to prevail or, even have the power to attempt to enact any part of it.

benny · June 19, 2009

When they are proven not to be then peace will prevail. your opinion means little to Israel's security, so many wish those words to be true that they must be careful not to allow all those with that intent to prevail or, even have the power to attempt to enact any part of it.

Iran is already under surveillance.

KrustyKidd · June 19, 2009

Iran is already under surveillance.

Yes, sadly there are some non Arab countries that have the extermination of Jews as their part of their policy. Just as individual groups in Gaza and the rest of the Arab world have.

benny · June 19, 2009

Yes, sadly there are some non Arab countries that have the extermination of Jews as their part of their policy. Just as individual groups in Gaza and the rest of the Arab world have.

Again, it is not about the Jews per se but about their phony state. By the way, the current Jewish population of Iran is estimated by most sources to be 25,000.

KrustyKidd · June 19, 2009

Again, it is not about the Jews per se but about their phony state. By the way, the current Jewish population of Iran is estimated by most sources to be 25,000.

You mean the stae as per the UN Resolution 181 that they defended by using land which they were attacked from? The current Jewish population of Iran is .05% and the Muslim population of Israel is 20%.

Your point is what? That Iranians barely tolerate Jews and award them patches to signify them as Jews while Israel embraces Muslims? If so, you have succeeded.

DogOnPorch · June 19, 2009

Because those are only empty words.

Jan. 30th, 1939: Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the Earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

Empty words.