Is Sarah Palin Getting Better At What She Does?

[Oleg Bach]

Yep..that would do it...just like Pearl Harbor. And guess what, the Americans have learned that the rest of the world won't/can't do a damn thing about it.

No one ever thinks of even thinking of challenging a missle that can come through your bedroom window on a whim - makes suicide bombers look like amateurs. It's not that the rest of the world won't or can't resist the whims of america - they are now so conditioned that they just don't give a shit - America is a non-issue - it is what it is and we are used to having a crazy older brother - he's family and you can not choose family.

[Moonlight Graham]

Bush was close to perfection. Basically no interest in invading the people of America's lives wanting to be benign...until they were attacked. And he knew EXACTLY what to do. And took action.

this is why we love our Jerry.

[bush_cheney2004]

No one ever thinks of even thinking of challenging a missle that can come through your bedroom window on a whim - makes suicide bombers look like amateurs. It's not that the rest of the world won't or can't resist the whims of america - they are now so conditioned that they just don't give a shit - America is a non-issue - it is what it is and we are used to having a crazy older brother - he's family and you can not choose family.

Why not? And I don't mean just an always fence-sitting Canada....at least France and Germany had the balls to bitch about Iraq. There were actually rubes who thought President Bush couldn't / wouldn't invade Iraq because it was the wrong thing to do. Not even so much as a General Assembly resolution. Suckers!

So now we have a situation where the Americans can do as they please...and China will gladly pay for it.

[Shady]

Bush, like any social conservative, was intent on invading the personal lives of citizens with his "family values" policies.

And how exactly did his so-called family values policies invade the personal lives of citizens. If anyone's policies are invading the lives of citizens, it's President Obama's. He's going to tell you what you can eat, and what you can drink. He's going to tell you what you can drive, and what you use to fuel your vehicles. He's going to tell you who you can purchase healthcare coverage from, and what kind of coverage it'll be. He's the one who's going to tell you how much a private company can pay its employees, and how much of a bonus they'll get. He's the one who's going to force you to pay higher taxes on energy, if it's the "wrong" kind of energy. He's the one who's signed on to Bush's wiretapping, while at the same time issuing new tools such as "preventive detention". And he's the one who's chosen which car dealerships are allowed to remain in business, and which ones are to be closed. If you have a problem with Bush, then I can't begin to measure the problem you must have with Obama.

He was benign to the Saudis

Wow, you mean he was benign to an ally? I'm shocked. How exactly was his treatment of Saudi Arabia different from any other President?

the source of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 plotters

Wrong. Afghanistan was the source of Al Qaeda. Remember, it was their safe-haven.

because his family had a long friendship with the Bin Laden brothers

Complete nonsense. Go start a 9/11 was an inside job thread if you wanna spread that shit around.

So Bush and Cheney were asleep at the switch, since they ignored warnings of a possible attack on U.S. soil

Nobody ignored the warnings of possible attacks on U.S. soil. Everyone was quite aware of the threat of an attack ever since the first bombing of the WTC in 1993 by Islamic terrorists.

wasn't shy about invading the people's lives when the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, suspension of habeus corpus, torture and secret prisons, went into effect.

You mean the Patriot Act that was voted on by Congress? You mean the same Patriot Act that President Obama uses today? You mean the same wiretapping that President Obama uses today? How about Obama's "prolonged detention" order? How long before Obama establishes a pre-crime division?

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[Oleg Bach]

Why not? And I don't mean just an always fence-sitting Canada....at least France and Germany had the balls to bitch about Iraq. There were actually rubes who thought President Bush couldn't / wouldn't invade Iraq because it was the wrong thing to do. Not even so much as a General Assembly resolution. Suckers!

So now we have a situation where the Americans can do as they please...and China will gladly pay for it.

You shock me sometimes - more so than I shock myself - but you have always been the pro- and me - just passing through. "Not even so much as a "General Assembly" Look at the last head of the UN - a wilted black man married to a blonde Swede with a corrupt son - more interested in fine hotels, Cobie beef and being important - Have you had a good look at the quality of character of the average UNer? You could switch the Toronto city council with the UN staffers and no one would notice the difference. If there is geocide in Africa they have a study and wait for the body count to go up and the problem cures itself. As for Canada ---I will be blunt - it is still a colony and a private estate controlled by a few men...these men are not interested in people - they are only concerned with their own needs as all lords of the manor are.

[bush_cheney2004]

You shock me sometimes - more so than I shock myself - but you have always been the pro- and me - just passing through. "Not even so much as a "General Assembly"

Hey, that's how it went down. George Bush and Tony Blair decided to take out Saddam come hell or high water, and nobody...not a damn one...did/could do anything about it. First got a taste of it in Kosovo with Clinton, and hell's bells, it felt good. No more Rooskies to worry about.

As for Canada ---I will be blunt - it is still a colony and a private estate controlled by a few men...these men are not interested in people - they are only concerned with their own needs as all lords of the manor are.

I hear Ya....Canada was left standing in their diplomatic underpants. Even the Aussies said "We're in...which way to Iraq?"

[Oleg Bach]

Hey, that's how it went down. George Bush and Tony Blair decided to take out Saddam come hell or high water, and nobody...not a damn one...did/could do anything about it. First got a taste of it in Kosovo with Clinton, and hell's bells, it felt good. No more Rooskies to worry about.

I hear Ya....Canada was left standing in their diplomatic underpants. Even the Aussies said "We're in...which way to Iraq?"

It was not because we are noble....it was because we are non-commital - at least if Canada had balls they would have protested on the federal level - all we got was wimperings from Harper - the banksters go for.........like I said - god save the queen and all her damned lawyers who manipulate the place out of some black office tower....by the way BC - made contact with my bankster buddy - told him I double deleted all our correspondence - His secratary or "his voice to the world" as he puts it - was glad I burned the evidence that we were communiative - she pretended not to know me --- good bye past hello tomorrow - that bastards are on their own from here on in - this supreme leader has just resigned...I did my best - and in the end - rejected..because I know that they are cowards filled with stupidity - I suggest you step down from your informal position as supreme leader also - might be time to let them fall...blunt - damned right...If I love you - the least I expect is to be loved back instead of being held in contempt for being able to think.

[bush_cheney2004]

It was not because we are noble....it was because we are non-commital - at least if Canada had balls they would have protested on the federal level -

And I guess that's what bugs them about Gov. Palin....in many ways, she has bigger balls.

[WIP]

Beck and O'Reilly are radio talk show hosts. This is akin to wondering how one can oppose a bill in the Senate with crackpots like Rhandi Rhodes working at Air Am.

Actually, they are better known as TV personalities; but these guys, along with Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, are the chief spokesmen for the conservatives these days. A good display of Rush Limbaugh's power is found in all of the Republican leaders who have been forced to issue apologies after criticizing him ( Congress - Eric Cantor, Phil Gingrey, Todd Tiahrt, Jim Tedesco, RNC Chairman Michael Steele, and South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford). A satirical online form letter was created for future Republican politicians to make the process of apologizing to Rush easier.

So, who is the leader of the Republican Party? Maybe it's that intellectual giant who seems to be the only woman that Limbaugh has a good word for -- Sarah Palin.

[WIP]

Christopher Hitchens or Keith Obermann are not very hard to compete with either.

I'll spot you Olbermann and his bad Edward R. Murrow impression, but Hitchens doesn't host a radio or a TV show, and even if he did, I thought he was one of yours! At least on the War in Iraq.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'll spot you Olbermann and his bad Edward R. Murrow impression, but Hitchens doesn't host a radio or a TV show, and even if he did, I thought he was one of yours! At least on the War in Iraq.

The War in Iraq is over...the US/UK and Iraq won.

The leaders of the Republican Party are well documented:

Party Chairman Michael Steele (R-MD)

Senate Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

House Leader John Boehner

Any questions?

[WIP]

And how exactly did his so-called family values policies invade the personal lives of citizens.

I already covered that!

If anyone's policies are invading the lives of citizens, it's President Obama's.

I don't carry water for anyone, so if President Obama keeps the expansion of executive powers, like all of his predecessors, except for Gerald Ford, that would be typical of most presidents - Democrat or Republican.

He's going to tell you what you can eat, and what you can drink.

??????

He's going to tell you what you can drive, and what you use to fuel your vehicles.

Well, you can choose to believe the disinformation from oil-company funded sites about global warming, but the human contribution to climate change keeps increasing every year anyway -- so, it's about time someone did something about it! But from what I've heard, Congress is already at work watering down any environmental legislation that will be approved.

He's going to tell you who you can purchase healthcare coverage from, and what kind of coverage it'll be.

Like we have in Canada? No, from what is being developed, Americans likely won't even be able to get a public option. Any real healthcare reform would have cut the insurance companies out of the picture completely -- since they make their profits by denying health coverage wherever possible. They are also the chief reason why health care costs are twice as much as most countries have to spend on health care....and there are at least 50 million Americans who have no health insurance coverage at all! So the U.S. has spends twice as much on health care and has a substandard system for the majority of people -- judging from OECD and WHO statistics on life expectancy, infant mortality rates, and other health indicators that put U.S. health behind Europe, Canada, and even some third world countries. Why do so many Americans listen to the insurance company disinformation, and remain with the status quo that gives them third world medical care at twice the cost?

He's the one who's going to tell you how much a private company can pay its employees, and how much of a bonus they'll get.

Like the banks, who blackmailed the Bush Admin. to bail them out with the TARP funds? The banks should have been nationalized and sold off to new investors, like the Swedish banks!

He's the one who's signed on to Bush's wiretapping, while at the same time issuing new tools such as "preventive detention".

And that's where Obama stands to lose! Most of the political left are not sucked in with emotional appeals to faith and patriotism to follow a leader who does the opposite of what he says he believes in (do I need to remind you about George's spending increases, doubling the national debt, prescription drug plan, "No Child Left Behind" etc.). Conservatives were willing to make excuses for King George for his bad ideas and poor results, right up to the night of the Republican National Convention -- when they suffered a case of collective amnesia, and forgot that Bush/Cheney were in charge for the last 8 years! It was almost like that Dallas episode, where it was all just a dream.

Wow, you mean he was benign to an ally? I'm shocked. How exactly was his treatment of Saudi Arabia different from any other President?

Saudi Arabia? An ally? With friends like these, who needs enemies!

Wrong. Afghanistan was the source of Al Qaeda. Remember, it was their safe-haven.

Where is Bin Laden from? And where were most of the hijackers from? Not to mention the jihad volunteers who fought in Afghanistan

Complete nonsense. Go start a 9/11 was an inside job thread if you wanna spread that shit around.

And whoever at the CBC put together this timeline of business arrangements that begins in 1970 between the Bush family and prominent Saudi families, including the Bin Laden's, points out that it is either by design...or is just an amazing coincidence!

Nobody ignored the warnings of possible attacks on U.S. soil. Everyone was quite aware of the threat of an attack ever since the first bombing of the WTC in 1993 by Islamic terrorists.

I guess Rudy sure ignored the warnings, when he put his emergency HQ right inside the Trade Center towers! And George Bush.....well, there are a lot of people at the FBI and the CIA who claimed they could not get them to take the threat of U.S. terrorist attacks seriously.

You mean the Patriot Act that was voted on by Congress? You mean the same Patriot Act that President Obama uses today? You mean the same wiretapping that President Obama uses today? How about Obama's "prolonged detention" order? How long before Obama establishes a pre-crime division?

I'm surprised that conservatives have anything to complain about! Obama has made cosmetic changes on foreign policy issues, and even on the homefront, the response to the banking crisis has been to leave all of the same players in place who caused financial chaos in the first place. There hasn't been any FDR-style banking reforms; it seems more like the Obama plan seems to be to just try to reinflate the credit bubble to keep the economy chugging along.

[WIP]

Any questions?

Just one! You mean this Michael Steele:

GOP chief apologizes for Limbaugh remarks

[KrustyKidd]

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[KrustyKidd]

At the moment, there is no need for there to be a leader of the Republican party. In fact, it would be detrimental as the leader would have to attack Democrat policies which may or may not be successful.

To briefly explain, the Democrat controlled Executive, Congress and Senate give an unrestricted highway to liberal policies. If they succeed the Republican party will self implode. If they fail, well prior to this failure would be the time for a person to come forth to fill this role. At that point, with the country doing a nose dive, the left would be hard pressed to attack that individual while they are scurrying about jumping ship. Pretty much it is a done deal - Democrats run the show, Republicans don't even want to give a hint of owning or complaining about it as there is no equity in either.

Now, going back to the talk show hosts, once again, they are entertainers paid by advertising, much like left leaning talk show hosts are and none are considered by any sane individual as an elected leader of any party. There is however, a place in Washington called the White House, another place called the Senate and yet another called Congress. That is where you will find the leaders (present and future) of either party.

From your link;

This weekend, a labor-liberal coalition began airing about $100,000 in ads on national cable television and in Washington markets in an effort to tie the Republican Party to Limbaugh, whose provocations don't always follow party script.

Let's see, he doesn't follow the party line and the party doesn't follow him yet many Dems consider him the leader of the Republican party. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

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[bush_cheney2004]

At the moment, there is no need for there to be a leader of the Republican party. In fact, it would be detrimental as the leader would have to attack Democrat policies which may or may not be successful.

No...there is more to the job than that....principally the raising of money for the 2010 midterm elections. Few asked who was the leader of the Democratic Party when they were out of power, but now it's a major issue for the Republicans?

There is however, a place in Washington called the White House, another place called the Senate and yet another called Congress. That is where you will find the leaders (present and future) of either party.

Point of order....The US Congress is a bicameral unit of goverment....made up of the US Senate and US House of Representatives. The Senate is not a separate place from "Congress".

[bush_cheney2004]

Just one! You mean this Michael Steele:

GOP chief apologizes for Limbaugh remarks

I guess he was doing his job as party chair...imagine that.

[bush_cheney2004]

Like we have in Canada? No, from what is being developed, Americans likely won't even be able to get a public option. Any real healthcare reform would have cut the insurance companies out of the picture completely -- since they make their profits by denying health coverage wherever possible. They are also the chief reason why health care costs are twice as much as most countries have to spend on health care....and there are at least 50 million Americans who have no health insurance coverage at all! So the U.S. has spends twice as much on health care and has a substandard system for the majority of people -- judging from OECD and WHO statistics on life expectancy, infant mortality rates, and other health indicators that put U.S. health behind Europe, Canada, and even some third world countries. Why do so many Americans listen to the insurance company disinformation, and remain with the status quo that gives them third world medical care at twice the cost?

Yes....the same third world system that Canadian provinces and private citizens turn to when CommieCare breaks down.

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[Oleg Bach]

I guess he was doing his job as party chair...imagine that.

"As long as everybody gets paid" _ That is the American system in a nut shell - our system is, who can you impoverish and destroy to exault yourself - that is why Canada is second rate.

[GostHacked]

And how exactly did his so-called family values policies invade the personal lives of citizens.

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You mean the Patriot Act that was voted on by Congress? You mean the same Patriot Act that President Obama uses today? You mean the same wiretapping that President Obama uses today? How about Obama's "prolonged detention" order? How long before Obama establishes a pre-crime division?

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That same Patriot Act that was thrown through Congress a mear two months after 9/11? The same wiretapping laws that Bush helped to make law? I know you want to bitch at Obama for this. But if the previous president had not had an attack on his watch, and did not implement any of these new laws, then you would have something to bitch about. Bush singed those items into law. His signature solidifies that. He accepted it and actually had pushed Congress to make it law. And prolonged detention is the same as indefinate detention, something the previous administration helped to make law. Bitch all you want Shady, but if you are going to forget the past 8 years, then you should just sit down.

[WIP]

Yes....the same third world system that Canadian provinces and private citizens turn to when CommieCare breaks down.

The only objection I have with our system in Ontario is that it won't allow the people with bags of money to opt out for state of the art private clinics -- that's why Canadians go to the Mayo Clinic and other renowned American hospitals.

I never said America didn't have good health care for the rich, but doesn't it bother you that for all of the money given to your health insurance companies, most of your countrymen receive a poorer quality of medical care than the average Canadian?

[bush_cheney2004]

The only objection I have with our system in Ontario is that it won't allow the people with bags of money to opt out for state of the art private clinics -- that's why Canadians go to the Mayo Clinic and other renowned American hospitals.

No.....it is your patriotic duty to contribute to CommieCare. Tommy Douglas, greatest Canadian, wouldn't have it any other way.

I never said America didn't have good health care for the rich, but doesn't it bother you that for all of the money given to your health insurance companies, most of your countrymen receive a poorer quality of medical care than the average Canadian?

No, because that isn't true. Most Americans have insurance and are satisfied with their level of care based on recent polls. The average Canadian waits much longer for average care, and doesn't even have the option of buying insurance for state mandated CHA procedures in most cases. Even Canadian Forces have a better option with Blue Cross. Canadians also have far less choice for insured dental.

Why do Canadians wait so long....because they have to?

[KrustyKidd]

Why do Canadians wait so long....because they have to?

I hope I get rich before I get sick so i can go to the states like Cretien did when he got sick. Seriously, this system is bullshit.

[WIP]

No.....it is your patriotic duty to contribute to CommieCare. Tommy Douglas, greatest Canadian, wouldn't have it any other way.

No, because that isn't true. Most Americans have insurance and are satisfied with their level of care based on recent polls. The average Canadian waits much longer for average care, and doesn't even have the option of buying insurance for state mandated CHA procedures in most cases. Even Canadian Forces have a better option with Blue Cross. Canadians also have far less choice for insured dental.

Why do Canadians wait so long....because they have to?

If most Americans are satisfied with their present health care system that enriches private insurance companies, they are even bigger fools than I expected. The facts speak for themselves!

From: U.S. health care lies about CanadaPosted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis

Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:

1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.

2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32 million people costs roughly what the private-sector health insurance companies make in profits in the United States looking after less than half the population for excessive premiums.

3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP to the total medical tab.

4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still change employers and be employable because they are not rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.

5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.

6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are better than in the United States.

7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.

8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.

9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care should be compared and there are tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.

10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills.

11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and to seek multiple opinions.

12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.

13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.

14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance companies.

Canadians who bitch about the lineups in our hospitals need to take a look south of the border at all of the families who are forced into bankruptcy because of medical costs. Most Canadians could help alleviate the pressure on our health care system by being a little proactive about their own health. I've heard estimates as high as 70% of all illness is lifestyle-related -- lack of exercise, overweight, poor diet etc. -- do something to help yourself, so you are less likely to be waiting in line at the hospital or clinic. On the other hand, if you are an average American, don't ever get sick or you're @#$%$@!

[bush_cheney2004]

If most Americans are satisfied with their present health care system that enriches private insurance companies, they are even bigger fools than I expected. The facts speak for themselves!

The facts speak for Canada...nothing more. Obama and team have dismissed any such approach for the USA....why would they choose the least cost effective universal access system in the world? One that relies on the excess capacity of the United States when it breaks?

Canadians who bitch about the lineups in our hospitals need to take a look south of the border at all of the families who are forced into bankruptcy because of medical costs. Most Canadians could help alleviate the pressure on our health care system by being a little proactive about their own health.

So now you want to tell Americans and Canadians what to think and say about health care.

I've heard estimates as high as 70% of all illness is lifestyle-related -- lack of exercise, overweight, poor diet etc. -- do something to help yourself, so you are less likely to be waiting in line at the hospital or clinic. On the other hand, if you are an average American, don't ever get sick or you're @#$%$@!

The "average American" not only has faster access to more services...he/she also has dental insurance. My cat gets faster treatment than most Canadians.....patiently waiting in queue...if they must.