bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 The Palestinians look like they hold more power with the United States with Obama in the White House. Hamas and Al Qaeda will poop all right...all over Ameriqa! That's what Arafat thought too..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 DoP picks and chooses. he's dishonest. he's here cheering for his team and not here to have an open and honest discussion. His reasons are his own...you cannot decide such things for him or any other member. their failure is mainly due to our support for israel's continuous breaking of international law. slavery, women's right to vote, the apartheid in s. africa, the burlin wall were all at one point failures. these things don't happen over night, especially not when our governments are supporting them. someone your age should know that. Quoting successful social and political movements only reinforces my point. If me math is good, 1948 was 61 years ago. did the slaves poop or did they get off the pot? what about women in america? what about the jews during the holocaust? They all pooped....it's amazing what can be achieved when you keep your eyes on the prize, instead of the past. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 His reasons are his own...you cannot decide such things for him or any other member. i cannot decide what? i am only pointing out that he's dishonest. i can decide what my observation of him or anyone else is. for example, it's my observation that you are a defeatist. you've surrendered to the fact that some of your policies are controlled by lobby groups who put the interest of another nation before yours. many of these policies hurt your country and you've surrendered to it. Quoting successful social and political movements only reinforces my point. If me math is good, 1948 was 61 years ago. some movements take time. if my math is 'good', women were not able to vote for a lot longer than 60 years. They all pooped....it's amazing what can be achieved when you keep your eyes on the prize, instead of the past. their prize have always been to be free on their own land. i don't think they've taken their eyes off of that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 i cannot decide what? i am only pointing out that he's dishonest. i can decide what my observation of him or anyone else is. for example, it's my observation that you are a defeatist. you've surrendered to the fact that some of your policies are controlled by lobby groups who put the interest of another nation before yours. many of these policies hurt your country and you've surrendered to it. See....you're doing it again. Very presumptuous to make any such claims...as if it mattered at all. My observation is that you think your opinions are worth more than others on this game board. some movements take time. if my math is 'good', women were not able to vote for a lot longer than 60 years. Tell us what else Palestinian woman still can't do...you walked right into that one. their prize have always been to be free on their own land. i don't think they've taken their eyes off of that. Except when sending suicide bombers into someone else's "own land". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 See....you're doing it again. Very presumptuous to make any such claims...as if it mattered at all. My observation is that you think your opinions are worth more than others on this game board. i don't think my opinion is worth more than others. however, i do think facts are worth more than some opinions. Tell us what else Palestinian woman still can't do...you walked right into that one. walked into what exactly? you need to update yourself old man. palestinian women can vote. Except when sending suicide bombers into someone else's "own land". that's their answer to the tank, plane and helicopter attacks. i guess that's what happens when you are not supplied with tanks, planes and helicopters. desperate situations create desperate responses. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) i don't think my opinion is worth more than others. however, i do think facts are worth more than some opinions. You are mixing apples and oranges. walked into what exactly? you need to update yourself old man. palestinian women can vote. You still don't get it. Palestinian women are opressed even in their own land (nation, class, gender) that's their answer to the tank, plane and helicopter attacks. i guess that's what happens when you are not supplied with tanks, planes and helicopters. desperate situations create desperate responses. You still don't have the tank thing quite right....see...that's why we need DoP. As to their answer, it hasn't worked...this is my basic premise. Find something that does. Edited June 12, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 You are mixing apples and oranges. okay. that's your opinion. You still don't get it. Palestinian women are opressed even in their own land (nation, class, gender) no i get it alright. you said palestinian women can't vote and you were wrong. it's okay, we don't need to drag this any further. You still don't have the tank thing quite right....see...that's why we need DoP.As to their answer, it hasn't worked...this is my my basic premise. Find something that does. the zionist movement is not here to negotiate anything legitimate. their prize has always been control over 'greater israel'. the are only 2 options: #1 - for us and our governments to stop or at least reduce the support for israel. that will put pressure on them to discontinue the systematic land grab and they will be forced to finally allow self determination instead of making excuses. it worked in south africa. could obama put enough pressure on them? i'm not holding my breath. #2 - popultion. the arab population in israel continues to increase rapidly while the jewish population is going the other way. this has become a huge problem for the zionist movement. Quote
Bonam Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 #1 - for us and our governments to stop or at least reduce the support for israel. that will put pressure on them to discontinue the systematic land grab and they will be forced to finally allow self determination instead of making excuses. it worked in south africa. could obama put enough pressure on them? i'm not holding my breath. Actually ceasing US support for Israel would give Israel a free hand to do whatever it wants. While the US has the threat of removing that support, they can pressure Israel into doing things a certain way. Were that support removed, the US would not have any further leverage, short of implementing sanctions, which would be insane, since Israel is a fellow democracy struggling against the same terrorist forces that the US is struggling against and standing for most of the same ideals. Israel is more than capable of dealing with its neighbors without further US support; they have a very successful defense industry of their own. #2 - popultion. the arab population in israel continues to increase rapidly while the jewish population is going the other way. this has become a huge problem for the zionist movement. Actually the Jewish population in Israel is growing too, although, yes, the Arab population is growing faster. That's why you can be certain that no agreement that ever comes to pass will include a "right of return" for "Palestinian refugees" into Israel proper. If they did, it would spell the guaranteed end of Israel, and likely the eventual massacre of most of its Jewish population. As it is, if no additional Arabs immigrate into it, Israel still has a variety of legitimate options to stabilize the demographics. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 okay. that's your opinion. Yep...nothing more...see....that didn't hurt one bit. no i get it alright. you said palestinian women can't vote and you were wrong. it's okay, we don't need to drag this any further. Bullpuckey...now who is the dishonest liar? the zionist movement is not here to negotiate anything legitimate. their prize has always been control over 'greater israel'. Seems to be working too....success breeds success. the are only 2 options:#1 - for us and our governments to stop or at least reduce the support for israel. that will put pressure on them to discontinue the systematic land grab and they will be forced to finally allow self determination instead of making excuses. it worked in south africa. could obama put enough pressure on them? i'm not holding my breath. Obama isn't going to do dick, not if he wants to be re-elected. US "support" goes to a lot of places without Canada's limitations. #2 - popultion. the arab population in israel continues to increase rapidly while the jewish population is going the other way. this has become a huge problem for the zionist movement. That's what they say about Mexicans too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Actually ceasing US support for Israel would give Israel a free hand to do whatever it wants. So-called Islamic "terrorists" only react to such terrorizing possibilities. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 So-called Islamic "terrorists" only react to such terrorizing possibilities. To pull the protectorate American blanket off the heads of the Israelis would cause a panic in their leadership - It would be like abandoning the little gangsters with the machine guns they threaten to use..but never have to because big brother is holding a cannon on their behalf. Once the cannon is put aside - all hell would break loose and the bandits might go nuclear...once that starts the real holocaust begins....I have often thought that once the anglo American merchant class totally screw up the system through arrogant ineptness - they will point the blaming finger towards the Jews as per usual - BUT- that won't happen because the Americans hold the key to the nukes...and just let the world believe that Israel has the power - it's a shame that part of the deal with Israeli henchmanship it to take the fall - to take the blame - and that is what they get paid the big bucks for.. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 DoP picks and chooses. he's dishonest. he's here cheering for his team and not here to have an open and honest discussion. Any examples...or is it allegorical 'dishonesty'? Perhaps it's the 'I-don't-agree-with-you-so-you're lying' dishonesty. What sort of dishonesty are we talking about here, duk? When dealing with dul...errr...dub...remember: 1. America started WW2. 2. WW2 was an Allied defeat. 3. Hitler was a Zionist...and a good bridge player. 4. Arabs get their weapons via prayer to Allah. 5. Jews control the media, the banks and the Western governments. 6. Grand Mufti is a type of breakfast @ Denny's. Hamas is a Scottish delicacy. Hezbollah is a bowling term for a strike. 7. The Moon Landings were a Zionist plot for the Jews to take over the Moon. Faked, of course. Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them...still one of my favorite leftie satires. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) To pull the protectorate American blanket off the heads of the Israelis would cause a panic in their leadership - It would be like abandoning the little gangsters with the machine guns they threaten to use..but never have to because big brother is holding a cannon on their behalf. Once the cannon is put aside - all hell would break loose and the bandits might go nuclear...once that starts the real holocaust begins....I have often thought that once the anglo American merchant class totally screw up the system through arrogant ineptness - they will point the blaming finger towards the Jews as per usual - BUT- that won't happen because the Americans hold the key to the nukes...and just let the world believe that Israel has the power - it's a shame that part of the deal with Israeli henchmanship it to take the fall - to take the blame - and that is what they get paid the big bucks for.. Oleg's history is a tad foggy as usual. The 6 Day War was won thanks to a certain special French weapon. Bought and paid for as opposed to given for free as per the Arabs's Soviet buds. America has never helped Israel during a war. America has got in the way of decisive Israeli victories...1973 in particular...where it looked like Cairo and Damascus were going to be the next Israeli resort towns. Edited June 12, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) To pull the protectorate American blanket off the heads of the Israelis would cause a panic in their leadership - It would be like abandoning the little gangsters with the machine guns they threaten to use..but never have to because big brother is holding a cannon on their behalf. Once the cannon is put aside - all hell would break loose and the bandits might go nuclear...once that starts the real holocaust begins....I have often thought that once the anglo American merchant class totally screw up the system through arrogant ineptness - they will point the blaming finger towards the Jews as per usual - BUT- that won't happen because the Americans hold the key to the nukes...and just let the world believe that Israel has the power - it's a shame that part of the deal with Israeli henchmanship it to take the fall - to take the blame - and that is what they get paid the big bucks for.. Very good post! To it, I would have been just a little bit more precise when writing "the Americans hold the key to the nukes". I would have written that the USA may believe that no country (except the USA) possess enough nukes to annihilate all possibilities of human life in America. Edited June 12, 2009 by benny Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Very good post! To it, I would have being just a little bit more precise when writing "the Americans hold the key to the nukes". I would have written that the USA may believe that no country (except the USA) possess enough nukes to annihilate all possibilities of human life in America. It's not the amount - one nuclear strike demolishes not just a city but the whole animated life force of a nation - You don't have to turn a continent into glass to destroy a civilization - you have rape them once - and they become totally dysfunctional...This wierd buisness about nukeing all major cities is not neccessary - one will do...Look at the 911 strike - it made a whole nation and it's administration subject to hyper-vigilance and totally mentally ill...America is now like a beaten woman striking all that moves - including her own children. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 lol...when these two start agreeing...(insert pun) with a (insert size) of pancake syrup. Stir frequently. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 lol...when these two start agreeing...(insert pun) with a (insert size) of pancake syrup. Stir frequently. Sometimes it is best to let them believe in such fairy tales. Those who boast most of "annihilation" usually know very little about the mechanics of such things. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Sometimes it is best to let them believe in such fairy tales. Those who boast most of "annihilation" usually know very little about the mechanics of such things. The mechanics are not that complex BC - Take one big rock - lift high and bring it down on scull - there are few moving parts to "annihilation"...Those that want to make destruction a buisness attempt to make it as complex as possible - Like Afghanistan.....so many variables - but strained down to the basics it has nothing to do with what is fed the public - it's simple ----------------build one armoured vehicle - charge the tax payer for it - put the money in a private pocket - supply the enemy quietly with high western explosive - then - boom - create another armoured vehicle --- and of course hand out a few honourariums called "bravery medals" -stir up public emotion - so they can not think clearly - and repeat process...works well.....Jezzz - maybe I am American after all? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 America knows better than any why atomic weapons shouldn't be in every nation's hands. I think these days, these weapons are just viewed as 'bigger bombs' by way too many people who hate us for our freedoms...etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 ....and of course hand out a few honourariums called "bravery medals" -stir up public emotion - so they can not think clearly - and repeat process...works well.....Jezzz - maybe I am American after all? Yet there have never been more humans on the planet. If you want to get the job done, you'll have to be more efficient about it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Yet there have never been more humans on the planet. If you want to get the job done, you'll have to be more efficient about it. Stop that before I smack your wrist - and get away from that button BC - don't make me come down there! Powerful men in high postions of wickedness are EXACTLY like big boys -- with toys - mischievious to the max - some kids never grow up - like my sort of buddy _ as a child he wanted the estate with the private lake - and his parents did what they were told - then - he grew up and wanted to have a piggy bank - a big one --- eventually he formed his own bank ----so I said to him -------------so you got the lake as a kid - then a bank - and now a nation - what's next you f**king idiot........we have old men with the minds of 12 year old boys running the planet....someone should spank the little bastards! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 we have old men with the minds of 12 year old boys running the planet....someone should spank the little bastards! You'd prefer this guy?? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 ....we have old men with the minds of 12 year old boys running the planet....someone should spank the little bastards! Someone has to run it...sure don't want the dopers doing it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 It's not the amount - one nuclear strike demolishes not just a city but the whole animated life force of a nation - You don't have to turn a continent into glass to destroy a civilization - you have rape them once - and they become totally dysfunctional...This wierd buisness about nukeing all major cities is not neccessary - one will do...Look at the 911 strike - it made a whole nation and it's administration subject to hyper-vigilance and totally mentally ill...America is now like a beaten woman striking all that moves - including her own children. What is really significant is that American-movie goers nowadays like a lot more Hollywood catastrophe fictions where everything is destroy than when it is only one of their main cities that is wipe out. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 What is really significant is that American-movie goers nowadays like a lot more Hollywood catastrophe fictions where everything is destroy than when it is only one of their main cities that is wipe out. Cool...we can get cheaper CGI in Canada! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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