bush_cheney2004 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) looks like DoP will never miss an opportunity to remind us what a useless poster he is. Not the case at all.....but rather a reminder of how useless the Palestinian strategy has been. Why has your point of view not prevailed where it counts? What do you offer the Palestinians besides sympathy? Edited June 10, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 Not the case at all.....but rather a reminder of how useless the Palestinian strategy has been. Why has your point of view not prevailed where it counts?What do you offer the Palestinians besides sympathy? That's what the un-wise usually offer. All say to the Israelis, we suffer with you...and the others say to the Palistinians - we suffer with you. All this sympathos is pathetic. Quote
dub Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Posted June 10, 2009 Not the case at all.....but rather a reminder of how useless the Palestinian strategy has been. Why has your point of view not prevailed where it counts?What do you offer the Palestinians besides sympathy? i offer a debate based on facts. i don't come in here trying to spin. i don't come in here as a nationalist. i don't come in here trying to change people's perspectives by offering half-truths and lies. what do you offer besides pretending that you're unbiased in these issues? Quote
jbg Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 What outright BS. Israel accepted the partition (The Jewish Agency). The Arabs rejected it. War followed. Once war was declared by the Arabs, all bets were off. The Arabs lost. Lost badly. The Arabs have had not one, not two but three chances to show that they deserved the return of conquered territory. As Abba Eban said, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Israel is like the cheating partner in a relationship. They took vows solemnly, they said they would be faithful, but no sooner is the honeymoon over, the cheating partner is out, well cheating. Despite the most solemn of vows that they agreed to. That is Israel's position in this situation, they made the vows ('accepting' the boundaries) with no intention of ever sticking to them. None whatsoever. And, they never have. And when did the Arab non-recognition and violence stop during that period? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.Does that sound like someone who abides by the partition border? It sounds like someone who's pointing out the world's rank hypocrisy; OK to oppress non-violent Chinese, not OK to repress violent Arabs. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
KrustyKidd Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Dub regardless of what the arabs did, israel did not accept the borders. That's bull. Compare the Partition map to the borders pre Arab attack 1948. They're the same. It wasn't until the guys who didn't accept partition outright and, the borders as drawn out attacked en mass against the guys who accepted the borders and, would have accepted partition if the Palestinians had also changed all that by defending themselves against annihilation. Dub i offer a debate based on facts. i don't come in here trying to spin. i don't come in here as a nationalist. i don't come in here trying to change people's perspectives by offering half-truths and lies. Oh no. Not at all. Dub (quoting me out of context) KKThey could not accept it so yeah, anyway, what you're saying is that they didn't accept it. When in fact, the entire quote reads; They could not accept it as the Arabs, by their flat out refusal nullified the plan. Do you not think that Israel adhering to the borders and then being attacked by six Arab armies intent on destroying them the day after the Mandate ended makes it rather difficult to adhere to partition? KK your arguement that because this resolution was rejected by some parties, it was not passed it completely bogus. It is irrelevant bullshit spin, used as propaganda to create a negative image of the Palestians. It has no relevancy to the passing of the resolution. It is just more spin. Resolution 181 was passed and Palestine was partitioned. The rest as they say is history. UN Partition Plan "The United Nations General Assembly decided in 1947 on the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be an internationalised city." So the Israelis, pretended to agree to the terms of the partition,(which means they really did NOT accept the terms of the partition) with the fingers crossed behind their backs, with the full intention of usurping the indigenous peoples land, as they have been from the get go. Just the facts, not the spin. And I never said the resolution was never passed. I said that the Israelis accepted it in principal (as proven by their adherence to the borders until they were attacked) and the Arabs, including the Palestinians outright refused all of it - from the day it was tabled - resolution, partition and two states. Israel remained in it's borders until they were attacked at which time, the borders changed to take defensive and offensive positions into consideration. Remember, all the Arab countries were hostile and up to present day, none have made serious peace agreements save Egypt and Jordan. Hence, the continual occupation of defensive territory against hostile forces is logical and proper. Edited to add: Since you are fond of quoting the odd Gurion quips, here is one from the other side; (May 15, 1948), Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, at Cairo press conference, (reported in the New York Times, May 16, 1948) declared "jihad", a holy war. He then stated: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades". Since some are fond of Gurion quotes, I offer this one; "It is we who will decide the fate of Palestine. We cannot agree to any sort of Trusteeship, permanent or temporary. The Jewish State exists because we defend it." So true. Edited June 11, 2009 by KrustyKidd Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 ^^ What he said.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 For those who want to understand how comes the Palestinian situation is intolerable, here a good unusual place to start: "In 1999, while working at Beth Israel Hospital in New York, abortionist Alan Zarkin performed a cesarean on a woman and when she asked if he had removed all the fat, Zarkin stated that he had and that he was "going to add it to his penis." Zarkin then went and carved his initials, "AZ," into the woman's abdomen because he claimed he did a good job in the surgery." http://www.deathroe.com/executioners/details.cfm?Category=6 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 For those who want to understand how comes the Palestinian situation is intolerable, here a good unusual place to start: "In 1999, while working at Beth Israel Hospital in New York, abortionist Alan Zarkin performed a cesarean on a woman and when she asked if he had removed all the fat, Zarkin stated that he had and that he was "going to add it to his penis." Zarkin then went and carved his initials, "AZ," into the woman's abdomen because he claimed he did a good job in the surgery." http://www.deathroe.com/executioners/details.cfm?Category=6 If you're gonna be sick...be Israeli. http://www.arlenefromisrael.info/faces-medical/ Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 If you're gonna be sick...be Israeli.http://www.arlenefromisrael.info/faces-medical/ You made my point! Because of the Jewish culture, Jews are not able to live outside laboratories. In other words, Israeli is not a people and cannot recognize other peoples. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 You made my point! Because of the Jewish culture, Jews are not able to live outside laboratories. In other words, Israeli is not a people and cannot recognize other peoples. Well that made a whole lot of no sense. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 i offer a debate based on facts. i don't come in here trying to spin. i don't come in here as a nationalist. i don't come in here trying to change people's perspectives by offering half-truths and lies. We don't change people's minds here.....lighten up Francis. what do you offer besides pretending that you're unbiased in these issues? Don't know where you ever got such an idea.....power is bias by definition. You seemingly support a continued course of action that will guarantee the status quo. It is a failed strategy....even as other "oppressed" groups have moved forward. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Well that made a whole lot of no sense. The rootless character of Jews is very well known; from there, you only have to connect this character with ruthlessness. Quote
jbg Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 For those who want to understand how comes the Palestinian situation is intolerable, here a good unusual place to start: "In 1999, while working at Beth Israel Hospital in New York, abortionist Alan Zarkin performed a cesarean on a woman and when she asked if he had removed all the fat, Zarkin stated that he had and that he was "going to add it to his penis." Zarkin then went and carved his initials, "AZ," into the woman's abdomen because he claimed he did a good job in the surgery." http://www.deathroe.com/executioners/details.cfm?Category=6 And what does this have to do with anything? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 And what does this have to do with anything? It is all about superego: http://books.google.com/books?id=O0Q6Bnx7R...lt&resnum=1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 The rootless character of Jews is very well known; from there, you only have to connect this character with ruthlessness. I hear they killed Christ and control the planet's monetary system. Next they'll be giving women the vote and force us to read Hustler. Dirty Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 You made my point! Because of the Jewish culture, Jews are not able to live outside laboratories. The rootless character of Jews is very well known; from there, you only have to connect this character with ruthlessness. Well, one more anti-Semite to add to the ignore list I guess. Quote
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 I hear they killed Christ and control the planet's monetary system. Next they'll be giving women the vote and force us to read Hustler. Dirty Jews. Jews offer what humanity needs most: more openness for universal singularity. http://www.lacan.com/badeight.htm Quote
dub Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 We don't change people's minds here.....lighten up Francis. i said DoP "tries" to change people's minds by repeating half-truths and misinformation. is there any other reason for him to repeat his garbage? Don't know where you ever got such an idea.....power is bias by definition. You seemingly support a continued course of action that will guarantee the status quo. It is a failed strategy....even as other "oppressed" groups have moved forward. i support what exactly? all i support is being consistent with following the laws we've created for ourselves and not pick and choose who should and who doesn't have to follow them. what do you support or offer here? justifying illegal actions because we killed the indians 200+ years ago? Quote
benny Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Palestinians are the neighbors of Israelis. Here is why Jews have a big problem with the rule "Love thy neighbor!": http://books.google.com/books?id=cKD8j-hHJ...lt&resnum=4 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 i said DoP "tries" to change people's minds by repeating half-truths and misinformation. is there any other reason for him to repeat his garbage? Lots of reasons, including amusement. DoP knows his stuff, perhaps too well for your liking. He is a welcomed cook in this kitchen. i support what exactly? You support the continued failure of the Palestinians (i.e. methods to achieve their objectives). all i support is being consistent with following the laws we've created for ourselves and not pick and choose who should and who doesn't have to follow them. what do you support or offer here? justifying illegal actions because we killed the indians 200+ years ago? I don't have your tearful burden, as I don't try to "justify" anything. There is only power.....those who have it...and those who want it. I do not moralize in the face of certain metrics. The Palestinians need to poop or get off the pot. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
the janitor Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 There is only power.....those who have it...and those who want it. I do not moralize in the face of certain metrics. The Palestinians need to poop or get off the pot. The Palestinians look like they hold more power with the United States with Obama in the White House. Hamas and Al Qaeda will poop all right...all over Ameriqa! Quote
the janitor Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 He is a welcomed cook in this kitchen. Heaven help us, Emeril Lagasse is now in charge of foreign policy! Next thing you know Ronald McDonald will be on the dollar bill! Quote
dub Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 Lots of reasons, including amusement. DoP knows his stuff, perhaps too well for your liking. He is a welcomed cook in this kitchen. DoP picks and chooses. he's dishonest. he's here cheering for his team and not here to have an open and honest discussion. You support the continued failure of the Palestinians (i.e. methods to achieve their objectives). their failure is mainly due to our support for israel's continuous breaking of international law. slavery, women's right to vote, the apartheid in s. africa, the burlin wall were all at one point failures. these things don't happen over night, especially not when our governments are supporting them. someone your age should know that. I don't have your tearful burden, as I don't try to "justify" anything. There is only power.....those who have it...and those who want it. I do not moralize in the face of certain metrics. The Palestinians need to poop or get off the pot. did the slaves poop or did they get off the pot? what about women in america? what about the jews during the holocaust? Quote
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