Gays Tracking Down Financial Donors to Prop. 8

sharkman · June 3, 2009

Yes, they probably would.
I agree it's bad behaviour on their part. Anybody sending envelopes with white powder to intimidate others should be vigourously pursued and prosecuted to the fullest extent.

In a week where anti-choice zealots are also engaging in terrorist behaviour, trying to intimidate abortion doctors by singling them out and murdering them, it appears there are wingnuts on all sides.

Now, do you have a link to back up how the groups they represent are "mainstream"? Or did you just make that up yourself to try and tar as many homosexuals as possible as terrorists?

Well, since this is among the tamer of the gay activities, I made the assumption that it would be the fringe gay groups that would participate in invading church services in session, defacing churches, and publishing black lists of businesses that dare supported Prop 8.

Scott Eckern, artistic Director of California Musical Theater, and Rich Raddon, Director of LA Film Festival, were both forced to resign after being 'outed' for financial donations to Prop 8.

In Carlsbad, Calif., a man was charged with punching his elderly neighbors over their pro-Prop. 8 signs. In Palm Springs, a videographer filmed unhinged anti-Prop. 8 marchers who yanked a large cross from the hands of 69-year-old Phyllis Burgess and stomped on it.

A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted the business, intimidated patrons, and brought employees there to tears. In fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Café pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

The New York Times chose not to get too particular about the intimidation, lawlessness and acts of hate by gay groups, but these more unsavory ones I assumed would be from the fringe gay groups. But local news outlets have had no choice but to cover the mayhem.

Smallc · June 3, 2009

I read your linked articles but no such details were evident. Threatened whose life......child's or mother's ???

Sometimes child, sometimes mother from what I heard on the radio. There had to be something serious wrong for the doctors to sign off.

WIP · June 3, 2009

I wondered how long it would take to play the rightwing extremist card in a thread on citizens trying to hi-jack the next election.

Because right wing extremists are the greater threat! You weren't motivated to start a thread calling for a little sanity on the right, after abortion doctor - George Tiller was murdered yesterday! But just because rightwing bullies who use threats of death, violence along with plain old intimidation tactics, get a piece of their own medicine, we're all supposed to feel sorry for them because all they wanted to do was to deny someone else their civil rights! The criminally insane "Army of God" anti abortion group carries links of personal information on abortion providers, and puts an X through their pictures when one of them, such as George Tiller, is murdered. Isn't there an old saying:"as you sow, so shall you reap!"

Let me know when any of these alleged death threats actually materializes into real violence -- because abortion providers have received thousands of death threats. Some of them actually materialize into real murders when criminal agitators like Randall Terry provide the inspiration to commit murder.

When a behavior is wrong, it's wrong, and to defend it by pointing to a fringe group and saying,"They do bad stuff too" avoids the issue. And it's not some fringe wacko doing it, it's mainstream gay groups trying to fix the next referendum on gay marriage. Instead of trying to win it by better campaigning, increased donations for the pro-gay side, or educating the voter, they intimidate voters who disagree with them. They are guilty of the same bullying done to gays in the past! And they want sympathy for their side?

Proposition 8 slipped through during a heated election, and soon after the election, polls indicated the No side would have won if it had got more attention during the campaign. The trend is towards respecting everyone's civil rights, since support for gay marriage increases as you move down the age brackets. The only thing preventing gays from having the same marriage opportunities as everyone else, are the old people who actually believe that a gay or lesbian couple living down the street is going to destroy their marriage!

Again, if non-gays were doing this, the outrage would be unavoidable 24/7.

You mean to say you never noticed your friends in the anti-abortion movement have been doing this, and much worse things for years?

Reporting from Atlanta - Bombings. Butyric acid attacks. Sniper shootings. Letters filled with fake anthrax. These are some of the tactics used over the years by antiabortion extremists.
The slaying of Dr. George Tiller in his Kansas church Sunday was part of a decades-long history of domestic terrorism aimed at abortion providers, carried out by a small minority of the much broader and generally peaceful movement that opposes abortion.

The National Abortion Federation, which supports abortion rights, has documented more than 6,100 acts of violence against abortion providers in the United States and Canada since 1977. The group classifies as "violent" not only the acts of murder, attempted murder, bombing and arson, but also vandalism, burglary and stalking, among others.

Tiller's slaying appears to be the eighth of an abortion clinic worker in the U.S. or Canada and the fourth of a doctor. A fifth doctor was shot but survived -- as did Tiller in a previous attack.

A history of violence on the antiabortion fringe

BubberMiley · June 3, 2009

Well, since this is among the tamer of the gay activities, I made the assumption that it would be the fringe gay groups that would participate in invading church services in session, defacing churches, and publishing black lists of businesses that dare supported Prop 8.

"among the tamer of the gay activities?" :lol: At least you're willing to admit you "made the assumption"---that is, made it up based on no evidence and tried to pass your lies off as facts. Way to go.

sharkman · June 3, 2009

"among the tamer of the gay activities?" At least you're willing to admit you "made the assumption"---that is, made it up based on no evidence and tried to pass your lies off as facts. Way to go.

Okay, I'll tell you what, out of all the activities, you pick the ones that would be from fringe groups then. Personally, I'm thinking the illegal ones would be from fringe, and mainstream gay groups would be doing the ones that aren't illegal. Isn't that fair and balanced?

Oleg Bach · June 3, 2009

Why does everyone assume that gay males are all sweet delicate little saints? I know a couple that would poison you for fun and go home and polish the dolphin thinking about it - some are vile human beings - not all but some.

jdobbin · June 3, 2009

That's straight-up terrorism.

That's what many healthcare workers get every day. Where is your outrage for them? Where is your outrage when they are murdered?

GostHacked · June 3, 2009

Why does everyone assume that gay males are all sweet delicate little saints? I know a couple that would poison you for fun and go home and polish the dolphin thinking about it - some are vile human beings - not all but some.

What about gay females?? Not all of them are saints. But you can find some of these types in every category you want to throw people in.

Shady · June 4, 2009

That's what many healthcare workers get every day. Where is your outrage for them? Where is your outrage when they are murdered?

So you consider 0.0001% of healthcare workers many? And I've already commented about the murder of Dr. Tiller the baby killer. I think it's wrong, and unjustified. As is the recent killing of a U.S. soldier by an Islamic extremist. Where's your outrage?