Smallc Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 It is not very often that the party in power selected someone from outside the partisan circle. It has happened sometimes, but you're right. Now, that's not to say that merit doesn't play a part in the ucrrent appoinments, and that's not to say that the Senate isn't working as designed 9it seems to be), but I think the Senate is soemthing that Canadians think is ineffective. That is partly because they don't understand its job though, I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Those people need more oversight. This should be plastered all over the place. Breaches of journalistic integrity cannot be allowed. Baloney.....they simply aired the raw footage...sort of like wacthing Dion butcher the language in a debate....but with more rope. They did not fabricate, re-edit to make him look anything other than he was....funny that by careful editting you can make Dion look smart and you would call that integrity but the raw footage is somehow a no no.... please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Appointing a political partisan to the senate is not a thing that bothers me. It is a partisan milieu, after all. Political partisanship while posing as an impartial journalist, however, is a major breach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Baloney.....they simply aired the raw footage Raw footage that they said they wouldn't air. They lied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Raw footage that they said they wouldn't air. They lied. Which is of course the source of the breach of conduct. Can you imagine the outrage if that had been done to Harper by the CBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Raw footage that they said they wouldn't air. They lied. Yeah....and tough...everything in an election is on the record. And for the record, Liberals should be pleased thay aired it and were able to dump that albatross that no one wanted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Yeah....and tough...everything in an election is on the record. CTV wronged. They should not have aired it after saying they wouldn't. It's as simple as that. Whether or not they should have made the promise in the first place on the other hand is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 CTV wronged. They should not have aired it after saying they wouldn't. It's as simple as that. Whether or not they should have made the promise in the first place on the other hand is another matter. You are exactly right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think CTV did a service to Canadians by letting them see the real Stephane Dion. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted May 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think CTV did a service to Canadians by letting them see the real Stephane Dion. And the Conservatives did a real service by rewarding Duffy and making sure he wasn't a "journalist" anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 And the Conservatives did a real service by rewarding Duffy and making sure he wasn't a "journalist" anymore. Amen to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_ON Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Baloney.....they simply aired the raw footage...sort of like wacthing Dion butcher the language in a debate....but with more rope. They did not fabricate, re-edit to make him look anything other than he was....funny that by careful editting you can make Dion look smart and you would call that integrity but the raw footage is somehow a no no.... please... That's all well and good provided you ALWAYS air the raw footage for ALL candidates. Otherwise one could accuse you of bias which in journalism IS a no no. Do you honestly believe Mr. Harper never had a false start? Where's the journalistic balance if only one politician is singled out? Therein lies the problem. Not that Dion had false starts, that his were aired while others were not. See how very bias that comes across? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Do you honestly believe Mr. Harper never had a false start? I doubt that he has, at least not in that way. I've seen a few interviews where the interviewer actually asked Harper if he wanted to start again, or rephrase something. During the "good buys in the market" interview, Mansbridge asked him twice, "are you sure you want to be on the record saying that?" It seems like he just likes to keep the interview moving. Edited May 30, 2009 by Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 That's all well and good provided you ALWAYS air the raw footage for ALL candidates. Otherwise one could accuse you of bias which in journalism IS a no no. Do you honestly believe Mr. Harper never had a false start? Where's the journalistic balance if only one politician is singled out? Therein lies the problem. Not that Dion had false starts, that his were aired while others were not. See how very bias that comes across? I'd be flabbergasted if any Prime Minister ever had a false start like that - or ever had a complete false start at all. I'm sure there has been a question or two that someone has been given - or asked for an opportunity to rephrase....but to foul up a whole interview three times. It's unfortunate and I feel sorry for Dion but for heaven's sake, can you imagine him on the world stage if he can't understand small nuances in the English language? Even Chretien never had a comprehension problem - and he couldn't speak French OR English properly. This was a serious event that Canadians HAD to know about. We all know now that it was just a terrible mistake to have Dion win the leadership.....it's just a chapter that people have to turn the page on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I doubt that he has, at least not in that way. I've seen a few interviews where the interviewer actually asked Harper if he wanted to start again, or rephrase something. During the "good buys in the market" interview, Mansbridge asked him twice, "are you sure you want to be on the record saying that?" It seems like he just likes to keep the interview moving. The "good buys in the market" was actually a wise statement if you have the patients and long term trust to wait - rather than expect an instant free fortune that most of America wanted quickly and never got. Harper is probably a traditional fiscal conservative under his dictatorial suit.... If Canada was one huge trust company - well - you had better trust and believe in it...a positive non-panicing approach is what keeps us afloat..Would you rather have Layton..insisting that we drain the treasury so we can live high on the hog for a couple of years? When Harper - spends - he sends the money indirectly to his banking buddies - who are in effect our treasury - we have good bankers - and they are resented by socialist - who think that all bankers are evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 The "good buys in the market" was actually a wise statement if you have the patients and long term trust to wait - rather than expect an instant free fortune that most of America wanted quickly and never got. It was good advice, and absolutely the right approach people SHOULD take, it was just bad optics during an election campaign. That's the main reason Harper doesn't get majorities, he's soley concerned with doing the correct thing, and not concerned about how it looks. I'll take that over Iggy's "politics is just theatre" approach. I know that over the top charisma act worked very well for people like Trudeau and Mulroney, but it lacks substance. The unfortunate side effect is with no majority, Harper can't stick to the plan, and has to compromise all over the place anyway. Politics is a bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 It was good advice, and absolutely the right approach people SHOULD take, it was just bad optics during an election campaign. That's the main reason Harper doesn't get majorities, he's soley concerned with doing the correct thing, and not concerned about how it looks. I'll take that over Iggy's "politics is just theatre" approach. I know that over the top charisma act worked very well for people like Trudeau and Mulroney, but it lacks substance. The unfortunate side effect is with no majority, Harper can't stick to the plan, and has to compromise all over the place anyway. Politics is a bitch. I concure - what is realized by some is that management of our grand estate - must be done in a manner that preserves the vested interests of all...Look at other nations - they all stumbled in embarssment as their economys not only declined but proved to have declined because of corruption - we stood solid - and will remain so - Like I say to my kids - "sometimes you can not worry if people like you or not - you have to do what is right and good - even if you lose personally and socially or politically - he have to steer the ship to the best harbour and not take the chance of loosing cargo and crew - Harper will compromise publically - but privately he's not moving - he can't - he must hold his ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 During the "good buys in the market" interview, Mansbridge asked him twice, "are you sure you want to be on the record saying that?" It should like he could have said no, and then they would have removed that part of the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'd be flabbergasted if any Prime Minister ever had a false start like that - The media in Quebec indicated they had given Harper a lot of slack during their interviews with him over the years. If you recall, there was a lot of anger in Quebec about the double standard. It is likely another reason for Harper's faltering image in that province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Yeah, but Dobbin, that was in French, and French isn't as important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 True. But now Duffy is the Senate rather than broadcasting. Remind me again how many appointments of former broadcasters lberals offered for senate positions and the highest seat in the country GG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 The appointment to Governor General is not a partisan one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Remind me again how many appointments of former broadcasters lberals offered for senate positions and the highest seat in the country GG? Lots. Didn't Harper say he wasn't going to do that? Wasn't he going to put such appointments under scrutiny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Lots. Didn't Harper say he wasn't going to do that? Wasn't he going to put such appointments under scrutiny? I'm sure he scrutinized every appointment himself. Why is it you hold the Conservatives to a standard a mile higher then the one you hold the liberals to? Harper has done something no other liberal PM has ever done, appoint a senator that was voted on and recommended by the province they were to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 The appointment to Governor General is not a partisan one. No it was just based on an infatuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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