Canada's immigration policy.

[CANADIEN]

it matters when assessing the LIKELYHOOD of these groups churning out the type of people mentionned...

If you want great basketball players... recruit

Great basketball players.

If you want great accountants go for

great accountants.

Only an idiot would say "let's not try to get the best"

[CANADIEN]

just shut the hell up already with your malarkey..

You really really need to stop talking iiiin the mirror.

[Oleg Bach]

No more immigrants for now - or maybe we can scoop up fifty thousand Tamils - and put them on a boat - THEN turn them away to die like we did with the Jews just prior the holocaust?

[Smallc]

so locked in your own special worlds that you do not realize how many people in Canada agree with me.

Oh, so you;ve done a poll. I'd love to see the results.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

There is one thing that does bother me about immigrants, and that is bringing their problems here. It matters not to me what they are you understand, I just don't like it when folks move here and then want this nation to do something about the nation they came from.

[Oleg Bach]

Oh, so you;ve done a poll. I'd love to see the results.

The majority is always wrong and polls should be ignored....rule by poll is a dis-service..you either are a leader with good ideas or you are not!

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I on the other hand favour a "DIRECT DEMOCRACY" where the politicians merely propose and the people ratify.

[Smallc]

Shudder.

Edited May 19, 2009 by Smallc

[Machjo]

it matters when assessing the LIKELYHOOD of these groups churning out the type of people mentionned...

If you want great basketball players... recruit west africans...

If you want great accountants go for Northern Asiatics...

you'll have way better success rates.

You're pulling our legs, right. I'm sure a few Japanese are stupid when it comes to maths, just as I;m sure some tall and healthy West Africans couldn't care less about basketball. You are puling our legs, right?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Shudder.

It would limit the extent of legislative proposals by politicians. Bad legislation will not pass.

[Machjo]

There is one thing that does bother me about immigrants, and that is bringing their problems here. It matters not to me what they are you understand, I just don't like it when folks move here and then want this nation to do something about the nation they came from.

I fully agree. Just look at the mess the British and French muskets brought onto the First Peoples of this land.

[Smallc]

It would limit the extent of legislative proposals by politicians. Bad legislation will not pass.

The people don't know anything about the system as it is. I certainly don't want to trust them to understand and vote on legislation.

[Machjo]

Just two points about claiming one's view has popular support as one's main defence:

1. I don't believe in the democratic view of knowledge. Majority support for 1 + 1 = 3 still doesn't make it 3.

2. I believe most Canadians are racist. I don't have statistics to back it up, but based on my observation with black friends and the horror stories I've heard fromthem, my own observations of how some have been treated, election results and popular support for things like Indian reservations, our attitude towards Canadian history (i.e. it started when the white man appeared, etc.), etc. gives me the impression that most Canadians are racist. Possibly moderately so, but racist none-the-less.

[Smallc]

our attitude towards Canadian history (i.e. it started when the white man appeared, etc.)

That is certainly not the way it is taught.

[Argus]

my 1st post ....surprising amount of ignorance and racism here, all sorts of claims of what was like in the ol'days before Trudeau and not a link anywhere to verify the ridiculous facts of how it was back then...

Since you clearly aren't old enough to know anything about what life was like back then why do you call it ridiculous? Making definite statements about things of which you are in clear ignorance is unlikely to impress anyone here as to the expected value of your contributions. Perhaps the reason no one is posting or even asking for "evidence" of the homogenous nature of Canadian society pre-Trudeau is because everyone else here knows that to be the case.

What were you saying about ignorance again?

[Argus]

I fully agree. Just look at the mess the British and French muskets brought onto the First Peoples of this land.

Yes, the idyllic 30 year lifespan of most aborigines, warring and starving and dying young. So sad it has all gone to pot.

[Argus]

You sir, are not a Canadian.

Why do you think he's an idiot for describing people as not Canadians yet you are insightful for saying the same to him?

[Argus]

I was under the mistaken impression we were talking about people here

We are talking about judging a good or service we want to obtain.

Legal representation is such a bad thing.

Prior to Wilson refugees applied, had a hearing, and then, if they were unable to convince us they met the criteria, were sent back. After Wilson, refugees were guaranteed years and years of appeals no matter how clearly their failure to meet the criteria. Needless to say this has inspired far more refugees to come here. A former Liberal immigration minister lamented the shocking increases to refugee claims, all the way up to something like 3,000 claims per year. Now they're more like 37,000, many from countries like Mexico and Columbia - and the United States. The word has gotten out that if you step off a plane and say the magic word you're guaranteed to be allowed to stay, and be given welfare, for years of hearing and appeals. There is no way of changing that without getting rid of the lawyers.

[Borg]

Just a point I'd like to make. Part of the reason some blacks can't find work is also owing to racism. I remember an ex-uncle in law who was turned down for a job. Later, when a friend went to check, the job was still available.

Perhaps the qualifications being sought were not and had not been met. An excuse is always easy to find.

The same uncle, whenever he drove his nice car wearing a baseball cap, would always be pulled over by the cops. He'd lost count how many times.

Now that profiling is outlawed all it would take is a complaint. Then again, perhaps he was a lousy driver.

One of my ex-brothers in law was regularly pulled over by one police officer until one day he addressed the office by name and asked for his id number so that he could talk to his boss. Only then did the officer stop harassing him. Another probthe in law was never disturbed by the police until he'd started to grow dreadlocks one day. After about a week, he gave up and went back to the old style because he was sick and tired of being pulled over by the police all the time. The first brother in law mentioned above once was told that an apartment was not available anymore, but when I'd checked, it sure was. All this in but one family. The uncle was a computer technician working for the government, and the brothers in law were all going to university. Go figure.

I see a lot of excuses here - appearance is always one way to be noticed. If this is all from one family I would wonder if the family was the problem.

So we have to take that factor into account too which can explain at least part of the problem you're describing there.

On another occasion, a Swedish tourist had mentioned to me that from her observations, she was treated more like a Canadian than native-born black Canadians were.

Maybe she did not walk around with her pants to the crack of her ass and an attitude on her face.

So I was wondering, is it possible that to some degree the problems we see in some parts of Canada are partially caused by local attitudes and not the immigrant themselves?

Yes it is possible - and then again - perhaps the immigrant is the problem as well. It IS possible you know.

And no, I'm not talking about crime, that's another matter, but rather that some educated blacks sometimes can't find work in some cities.

Cannot find work? Blame your colour? Try moving to where the work is. An attitude of entitlement is not attractive. Lots of white folks looking for work as well.

Could be a reflection of the city, no?

Why is it that it could not be the reflection of the person? Or is it easy to make colour and accent the excuse?

Here in Ottawa, I have a few black colleagues and they work just fine and speak English well.

How nice for you.

Borg

Edited May 19, 2009 by Borg

[Machjo]

As for the uncle driving, he'd said that it only happened when he was wearing a baseball cap. So he was driving badly only then?

As for the job offer, he'd never gotten the interview; they'd just said flat out that the job had been taken, even though after his friend had checked, it was still available. What? the employer could know his qualifications just by looking at him? Now he's a computer technician working for the government.

As for the family, yes it had problems, but nothing warranting the treatment they got. They were all either working at good jobs or in university paid for by their parents. By the way, except for the uncle, none of them were even Canadian citizens, but international students spending their parents' money in Canada to go to school. Canada could only benefit economically from them.

As for entitlement, of course some blacks are to blame for their problems, just as it is for some whites. I'm just saying though that racism clearly plays a partial role. Not the only thing to blame, and yes some blacks abuse this. But for some, it is a legitimate argument. Racism is high in canada without a doubt.

[Argus]

Racism is high in canada without a doubt.

Compared to...... ?

[Leafless]

I fully agree. Just look at the mess the British and French muskets brought onto the First Peoples of this land.

What exactly are you anyways, a fruit cake?

[Borg]

Racism is high in canada without a doubt.

And why would that be?

Borg

[Machjo]

What exactly are you anyways, a fruit cake?

Well, if you know your history, you also know that the British and the French weren't originally indigenous to this land.

[Machjo]

Compared to...... ?

I wasn;t comaring it to any other country in particular. I'm sure it's quite high in other countries too. But the fact that it's high abroad still doesn't make it right.