Canada's immigration policy.

Leafless · May 24, 2009

(...) a culture.

Tell that to Smallc, he was the one who asked the question.

Good question. We know that English-speaking cultures in Canada are not being destroyed.

The White, English speaking culture is being destroyed in Canada by a certain Liberal radical who could also be described as a bigot and a racist and who imposed the Official Languages policy, the Multicultural Policy and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

And I am not the only here to suspect that you'd be happy to see First Nation cultures and French-speaking culture disappear from Canada.

The devolution of the First nation culture and French culture is a NATURAL occurrence and should not be interfered with.

Smallc · May 24, 2009

Why do you insist on proof of something which anyone who is even moderately well-read

And in comparison to the United States, how bad do you think we are? I only see one real story that has any credibility. The first two are from questionable sources, and the third is something that a US committee said, and we all know that their government committees are always right after all...right? CSIS concerns are valid I'm sure, but then again, law enforcement agencies are always worried about such things...as they should be.

I'm sure there are problems with the immigration system (the backlog for one) but I have not seen any reason to believe that it is nearly as broken as you assert. The media hasn't even focused on it really, even in comparison to other things that are supposedly 'broken'. Given that crime is falling and given the peaceful atmosphere that Canadians live in, I have no reason to believe that there are massive hoards of 'evil' people living among us. I'm sure there are some, but then again, the US, Europe, and all other places have similar or worse problems and those problems come as a result of living in a free and democratic society that is governed by laws....not whims....or bigotry.

Smallc · May 24, 2009

Tell that to Smallc, he was the one who asked the question.

There are many different 'whilte' culturs in Canada, but you don't seem to realize it.

Leafless · May 24, 2009

There are many different 'whilte' culturs in Canada, but you don't seem to realize it.

I will have to guess at what you are saying but I think I already stated that fact in post #203;

Yes, primarily White European immgrants who assimilated to Western ideologies. This of course does not exclude smaller numbers of non-Whites and other cultures who also assimilated to Western ideologies.

Machjo · May 24, 2009

Also, what is all this about 'white culture' we read in these threads?

I'm caucasian myself. My mother is French Canadian tracing her roots back to New France. I have Canadian First Nations and Irish blood from my father's side (and my aboriginal side is barely noticeable other than in the fact that I tan slightly darker than most whites, and even then few would gues, so I look quite caucasian to say the least). My father himself was born in the UK, his family having emigrated from Canada, and he'd returned.

Now I would assume this all qualifies me as a part of this imaginary 'white culture'. But I see a problem with this in that I view culture as stemming from nurture, not nature. As such, I can't believe that culture can even be defined by race. Some Chinese look just as caucasian as a blond Russian and go to church, just as some blacks speak a perfect English, Canadian accent, go to Anglican Communion, eat McDonald's, etc.

In spite of my family background, I eat vegan, read the Qur'an, can read some Arabic and Persian (though I've lost much of both over the years owing to other responsibilities, but still hope to get back to studying them when I have more time), can speak Mandarin Chinese and Esperanto, both fluently, and do not profess the Christian Faith (though I did go to Catholic school as a kid and my father is Anglican). I also believe in the Qur'an. My ex-wife was Ethiopian.

So would all this make me some kind of traitor to this imaginary 'white race' for not conforming to 'white' expectations?

The point is, migration has been going on since before Biblical times. Heck, the concept itself is antediluvian. Even Adam and Eve migrated from the Garden, remember? Look at the Apostles and their travels through parts of the Roman empire. Marco Polo? And what about the first European colonists of the America's?

Culture has ever been in a constant state of flux. The idea that we must slavishly try to preserve some perfect past society of our imagination is ridiculous. Culture has ever changed, and it ever will. The pioneers of change, however, are those who can fashion culture to serve their ends, and not the other way around. Look at the Dukhobours and their diets. Hitorically, their diet was traditional Russian. Later, with the help of Tolsoty and as a result of percecution, moved to Canada, allowing them to develop further. And at about that time, they came across the Quakers, many of whom were vegetarian, liked the idea, and so, instead of slavishly and blindly following tradition, remolded the tradition to serve them, not the other way around, and so became vegetarian. Their meals have adopted some Canadian and international flavours too, while always modifying them to their ethical dietary needs.

For crying out loud, we'd think such religious communities wuld be the most traditionalist in Canada. But the Quakers and Dukhobours understood that doing what is right is more important that maintaining blind traditions. And so, for them, their culture serves them, not the other way around. They modify their culture to fit their beliefs. This whole idea of trying to preserve some imaginary white traditional culture frozen in time is beyond ridiculous.

Canada has ever changed and ever will. It's up to us to develop our culture, not freeze it in time; and new ideas from abroad can help us to do that. Even the English language borrowed many scientific words from Arabic in its time. We need to go back to that age of enlightenment when we wre willing to learn from others and adapt to new ideas rather than just bigottedly trying to preserve some imaginary racial purity of culture.

Smallc · May 24, 2009

I will have to guess at what you are saying but I think I already stated that fact in post #203;

So how do you feel about White, French - Canadian culture?

CANADIEN · May 24, 2009

The White, English speaking culture is being destroyed

(...) only in your clueless imagination.

The devolution of the First nation culture and French culture is a NATURAL occurrence and should not be interfered with.

Not surprisingly, you still don't have a clue about the difference between the French culture and the French-Canadian cultures.

But if "devolution" is a natural, occurence, what was the need for governments to force it to happen?

Machjo · May 24, 2009

So how do you feel about White, French - Canadian culture?

I know how many do feel. I remember selling chocolates at a mall in Victoria B.C. for an elementary-school ski trip One kind man came up, was about to pull his wallet out, and asked what school it was. So I told him, Admiral Victor G. Brodeur, pronounced in French. He asked me to repeat, so I explained that it was a French-medium school near CFB Esquimalt. Immediately he started walking away and said, and I quote: 'I don't like French people'.

From what I read on forums at times, I get the impression his sentiment is not unique.

Smallc · May 24, 2009

It's certainly not a sentiment that I share.

benny · May 24, 2009

A long lasting serious of kisses and sweet embrace are little rewards and will suffice untill the full blown lust that is sexual intercourse is achieved...symbolically speaking - It's better to be addicted to love than just sex and the orgasm.- I get it Benny...but I will eventually want the big reward. Still your premise is wise - If on mass everyone wants the big reward all at once - it is rarely attained and chaos becomes the atmosphere enclosing this lustful search - I think you point is that attempting to have it all all at once is gluttonous hedonism..and gluttony fully achieved or wanted is not health -

We need immigration (exogamy) because incest (endogamy) is too pleasurable.

Leafless · May 24, 2009

We need immigration (exogamy) because incest (endogamy) is too pleasurable.

That is the beauty of assimilation and the White, English speaking culture as it virtually eliminates any occurrence of genetic birth defects relating to inbreeding.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Leafless

Leafless · May 24, 2009

So how do you feel about White, French - Canadian culture?

I do not believe in government intervention relating to the salvation of the dying French Canadian culture, especially when it is done out of spite.

Leafless · May 24, 2009

Not surprisingly, you still don't have a clue about the difference between the French culture and the French-Canadian cultures.

I don't care what the French culture is as in comparison to the French Canadian culture.

Anyways it was you who made reference to the French culture rather than the French Canadian culture:

QUOTE (CANADIEN @ May 23 2009, 05:15 PM)
And I am not the only here to suspect that you'd be happy to see First Nation cultures and French-speaking culture disappear from Canada.

bush_cheney2004 · May 24, 2009

And in comparison to the United States, how bad do you think we are? I only see one real story that has any credibility. The first two are from questionable sources, and the third is something that a US committee said, and we all know that their government committees are always right after all...right? CSIS concerns are valid I'm sure, but then again, law enforcement agencies are always worried about such things...as they should be.

Comparisons to the United States will always be your favorite, but to answer your question, I offer up this:

Canadian researcher pleads to attempted smuggling

Updated Sat. May. 23 2009 5:11 PM ET

The Associated Press

GRAND FORKS, N.D. -- A Canadian vaccine researcher accused of smuggling genetic material from the Ebola virus into the United States has pleaded guilty.

Konan Michel Yao was sentenced to 17 days in jail and fined $500 Friday in federal court.

He pleaded guilty to failure to present merchandise for inspection and was placed in custody of U.S. Customs.

Authorities say Yao was on arrested May 5 for trying to sneak 22 vials of the biological substance into the country at the Pembina port of entry in North Dakota.

benny · May 24, 2009

That is the beauty of assimilation and the White, English speaking culture as it virtually eliminates any occurrence of genetic birth defects relating to inbreeding.

Inbreeding is impossible inside "the Empire on which the sun never sets".

CANADIEN · May 24, 2009

I don't care what the French culture is as in comparison to the French Canadian culture.
Anyways it was you who made reference to the French culture rather than the French Canadian culture:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Do you know how to read? The quote of mine you're using talk about French speaking cultures.

CANADIEN · May 24, 2009

I do not believe in government intervention relating to the salvation of the dying French Canadian culture, especially when it is done out of spite.

No, you only believe in government intervention in trying kill it, and in government intervention in favour of English-speaking cultures that are not under threat.

And btw, French-Canadian cultures are not dying.

Jerry J. Fortin · May 24, 2009

Quebec is indeed unique in this nation. No reasonable person would dispute this. That does not make them second class citizens. In fact the opposite is true.

Machjo · May 24, 2009

I do not believe in government intervention relating to the salvation of the dying French Canadian culture, especially when it is done out of spite.

So what about government intervention in the promotion of English-speaking culture worldwide through CIDA? While I agree with cutting government spending in the active promotion of French-language culture, I feel the same about English. It would seem however that many native English-speakers believe in a double standard whereby it's OK to for the government to fund the promotion of English through such organizations as CIDA or through such programmes as LINK, but it's not OK to do it for French. If it's not OK for French, then it's not OK for English either.

benny · May 24, 2009

So what about government intervention in the promotion of English-speaking culture worldwide through CIDA? While I agree with cutting government spending in the active promotion of French-language culture, I feel the same about English. It would seem however that many native English-speakers believe in a double standard whereby it's OK to for the government to fund the promotion of English through such organizations as CIDA or through such programmes as LINK, but it's not OK to do it for French. If it's not OK for French, then it's not OK for English either.

Artists may be very good ambassadors though.

Machjo · May 24, 2009

Artists may be very good ambassadors though.

What do you mean by artists? I was referrring to government funding for Englsih-language instruction abroad through CIDA, essentially a form of linguistic imperialism. And I was referring too to federal government funding through the LINC programme. If immigration candidates can't speak either English or French, then let's not let them in, simple as that. If we say though that the government shuld not be funding the promotion of the French language but should fund the promotion of the English language, then that's just a double standard. It's either all or nothing. We coud even enclude aboriginal languages in this.

Leafless · May 25, 2009

:lol: Do you know how to read? The quote of mine you're using talk about French speaking cultures.

It is not plural, it is singular as in "culture".

Leafless · May 25, 2009

No, you only believe in government intervention in trying kill it, and in government intervention in favour of English-speaking cultures that are not under threat.

When did a Canadian government ever try to kill the French Canadian culture?

I guess you forgot that the French language is a minority language in Canada and English is the majority language in Canada.

And btw, French-Canadian cultures are not dying.

Thanks to Mr. Trudeau who forced tax payers of Canada to support that culture.

You know by way of the Official Languages Policy, Official Multiculturalism Policy, Charter of rights and Freedoms.

Stop pretending that the French Canadian culture is so vibrant and self supporting.

CANADIEN · May 25, 2009

It is not plural, it is singular as in "culture".

You're not clueless to the point of not knowing that French-speaking Quebecers do not share the same culture as Acadians, of the French-speaking Metis in the West, ttto name two examples, are you?

Actually, why am I even asking? I already know the answer is yes.

Leafless · May 25, 2009

So what about government intervention in the promotion of English-speaking culture worldwide through CIDA?

CIDA's role is:

The Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) is Canada’s lead agency for development assistance. It has a mandate to support sustainable development in developing countries in order to reduce poverty and to contribute to a more secure, equitable, and prosperous world.

http://www.cida.gc.ca/cidaweb/acdicida.nsf...NIC-5313423-N2A

Why don't you provide a link so we all know what you are talking about CIDA and the English language.

While I agree with cutting government spending in the active promotion of French-language culture, I feel the same about English. It would seem however that many native English-speakers believe in a double standard whereby it's OK to for the government to fund the promotion of English through such organizations as CIDA or through such programmes as LINK, but it's not OK to do it for French. If it's not OK for French, then it's not OK for English either.

The government of Canada and tax payers of Canada certainly do support internationally the French language and it's culture via 'La Francophonie'.

[edit] French language, cultural and linguistic diversity
The primary mission of the organization is the promotion of the French language as an international language and the promotion of worldwide cultural and linguistic diversity in the era of economic globalisation. In this regard, countries that are members of the Francophonie have contributed largely to the adoption by the UNESCO of the Convention on the Protection and Promotion of the Diversity of Cultural Expressions (October 20, 2005).

The most recent Francophone summit was just recently held in Quebec City.