McCain insists 9/11 perpetrators came from Canada

Smallc · April 25, 2009

There wasn't nearly the amount of sarcasm or ignorance on this forum when Democrat Napolitano made her remarks. Only when McCain made his comments did people like you react. As a Conservative, McCain's comments, along with Napolitano's are ridiculous, and I'll admit it. It's just too bad that all of you in far left wonderland can't call a spade a spade, and rely on cheap, petty put downs of Conservatives.

Right...because everyone on this forum has been putting down McCain's conservatism. :rolleyes: There is a thread about Napolitano's comments, but because of where it was placed, not as many people saw it. Napolitano doesn't seem to know all that much, so I don't expect any better from her, but I always though McCain a smart and honourable person. I expect better of him. Oh, and this forum doesn't necessarily reflect media coverage.

punked · April 25, 2009

"Don't blame shady he voted for McCain"

lukin · April 25, 2009

Right...because everyone on this forum has been putting down McCain's conservatism. There is a thread about Napolitano's comments, but because of where it was placed, not as many people saw it. Napolitano doesn't seem to know all that much, so I don't expect any better from her, but I always though McCain a smart and honourable person. I expect better of him. Oh, and this forum doesn't necessarily reflect media coverage.

McCain's a Conservative?? :huh:

Smallc · April 25, 2009

McCain's a Conservative??

No, he's a fiscal conservative.

normanchateau · April 25, 2009

Was what McCain said any worse than what Napolitano said?

No, both are equally guilty of ignorance and stupidity.

Perhaps the reason why McCain's comments are more irritating to some is that had he obtained another 4% of the popular vote and had Obama obtained 4% less of the popular vote, warmonger McCain would today be President of the most powerful nation on Earth.

And McCain's reckless and stupid decision to have Sarah Palin as his Vice President would have put her a heartbeat away from being the President of the most powerful nation on Earth.

xul · April 25, 2009

Are they planning on building fortress America?

I think the mental fortress has "mission-accomplished" since the end of the Cold War. Now Americans are just facing the choice of whether or not materializing it.

xul · April 25, 2009

America and Israel are the only places that need walls to keep people out

Not exactly. Considering geography, Israel has less choice but Americans do have a choice.

About walls, I think there is not a wall bigger than the Great Wall, that's in China. I remember when I was a pupil, that was Mao's time, the history book told me that China began to fall when British fleet came to blackmail gold. When I was a middle school student, that's Deng's time, a science teacher said in the class he thought that China began to fall when the emperors of Ming Dynesty decided to demolish all his ocean fleet for some reason that historians are still arguing today, that was 300 years before British came.

But nowaday, as a adult, I belive that China has begun to fall since the first emperor, 2000 years ago, decided to build the Great Wall to enclose Chinese border just for keeping some "uncivilized" foreigners out....

Edited April 25, 2009 by xul

bush_cheney2004 · April 25, 2009

...But nowaday, as a adult, I belive that China has begun to fall since the first emperor, 2000 years ago, decided to build the Great Wall to enclose Chinese border just for keeping some "uncivilized" foreigners out....

I thank you for the correction and update.....there could be no finer comparison than to the Greatest Wall of all time.

Shakeyhands · April 25, 2009

Thank you...you so smart compared to dumb American...but don't know sarcasm when it bite you on ass.

I have no doubt that you meant each and every word, with no sarcasm. Why hide it?

bush_cheney2004 · April 25, 2009

I have no doubt that you meant each and every word, with no sarcasm. Why hide it?

If you say so.....when it's Canada's turn in the barrel.....roll with it. I don't know what's funnier....the 9/11 terrorist schtick or the thin skinned reaction.

jdobbin · April 25, 2009

I have no doubt that you meant each and every word, with no sarcasm. Why hide it?

It is best not to engage an ass.

eyeball · April 25, 2009

I didn't accuse YOU of being far-left eyeball. You shouldn't do the same to me. I am moderately Conservative.

No I shouldn't, you're right.

I guess I must have a streak of moderate conservatism in me. I don't know what the hell I am actually. Last time I was called something, it was probably Morris accusing me of being a terrorist supportin' Stalinist anti-semite, granola-eatin' Luddite or some such thing.

Question for you eyeball. Was what McCain said any worse than what Napolitano said? If not, then why is it that most people are being ruthless in their attacks on McCain, without giving the same attention to Napolitano?

They're both idiots as near as I can tell. I'm of the Tweedledum/Tweedledee bent regarding Democrats and Republicans or Liberals/Conservatives for that matter. I've seen little of Obama's performance to date to make me believe things have or will change very much.

Radsickle · April 25, 2009

I have one question:

Why would anyone still care what McCain thinks?

Smallc · April 26, 2009

Why would anyone still care what McCain thinks?

He's an influential United States Senator?

Wilber · April 26, 2009

If you say so.....when it's Canada's turn in the barrel.....roll with it. I don't know what's funnier....the 9/11 terrorist schtick or the thin skinned reaction.

The notion that the 9/11 types came from Canada was discredited shortly after the event. If expressing astonishment that people in responsible positions who should know better are still acting on that assumption is thin skinned, then so be it. Kind of scary really, WTF else are they going to get wrong?

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2009

The notion that the 9/11 types came from Canada was discredited shortly after the event.

Correct...it was discredited by Americans.

If expressing astonishment that people in responsible positions who should know better are still acting on that assumption is thin skinned, then so be it. Kind of scary really, WTF else are they going to get wrong?

Lots of stuff...from BSE to SARS to tainted pet food. Americans have to deal with a "blame the USA" mentality year round, even when it is undeserved or not supported by the "facts".

It's just another kerfuffle.

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2009

It is best not to engage an ass.

Sir, I would remind you that engaging "an ass" is what many members do, your posts included.

Wilber · April 26, 2009

Correct...it was discredited by Americans.

So why aren't MCain and Napoitano aware of that? Kind of puts them in the same category as 9/11 Truthies when you think about it.

Lots of stuff...from BSE to SARS to tainted pet food. Americans have to deal with a "blame the USA" mentality year round, even when it is undeserved or not supported by the "facts".
It's just another kerfuffle.

Who's blaming the USA? There will always be kerfuffles but I'm referring specifically to security. Americans should be more worried about what else they will get wrong than Canadians.

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2009

So why aren't MCain and Napoitano aware of that? Kind of puts them in the same category as 9/11 Truthies when you think about it.

Perhaps they are fighting fire with fire....to advance a "protect the borders" mentality.

Who's blaming the USA? There will always be kerfuffles but I'm referring specifically to security. Americans should be more worried about what else they will get wrong than Canadians.

The USA (and others) of course....most of these guys were legally admitted by the US (on temporary visas), except for the pilots. There was also a big kerfuffle about multiple driver's licenses.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecentersc582

Fast forward to today, and we have a large domestic US perception that changes made to such border entry processes, no-fly lists, etc. is not as severe in Canada. Even before 9/11, Canada was assessed by the US Feds as a terrorist origination threat (see earlier post).

So.....US politicians will seize upon this (with creative license) to move the border security football down the road.

Wilber · April 26, 2009

Perhaps they are fighting fire with fire....to advance a "protect the borders" mentality.
The USA (and others) of course....most of these guys were legally admitted by the US (on temporary visas), except for the pilots. There was also a big kerfuffle about multiple driver's licenses.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecentersc582

Fast forward to today, and we have a large domestic US perception that changes made to such border entry processes, no-fly lists, etc. is not as severe in Canada. Even before 9/11, Canada was assessed by the US Feds as a terrorist origination threat (see earlier post).

So.....US politicians will seize upon this (with creative license) to move the border security football down the road.

But does it move security down the road if the actions taken are made on false assumptions?

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2009

But does it move security down the road if the actions taken are made on false assumptions?

In this case, the political answer is yes, as the end justifies the means for border states, "Minutemen", xenophobes like Lou Dobbs, etc., etc.

Wilber · April 26, 2009

In this case, the political answer is yes, as the end justifies the means for border states, "Minutemen", xenophobes like Lou Dobbs, etc., etc.

Well as long as the Minutemen and Lou are happy, I guess all is OK. What a depressing thought comming from people this high up the political totem pole.

Topaz · April 26, 2009

I'm sure not ALL Americans think the same thing, I'm sure there are people who know that the terrorists didn't come from Canada and if I were an American citizen I would be asking McCain and others......who DID let them in? The CIA, FBI, Cheney< Bush????? and who were the Americans that did help the terrorists?

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2009

I'm sure not ALL Americans think the same thing, I'm sure there are people who know that the terrorists didn't come from Canada and if I were an American citizen I would be asking McCain and others......who DID let them in? The CIA, FBI, Cheney< Bush????? and who were the Americans that did help the terrorists?

It doesn't matter WHO "let them in".....anynody at any time can conspire to commit terrorism, and have done so. What has changed is the political stance to improve perceptions of better security. Has nothing to do with another conspiracy about Bush or Cheney.....the WTC was attacked with a truck bomb in 1993.

Topaz · April 26, 2009

It doesn't matter WHO "let them in".....anynody at any time can conspire to commit terrorism, and have done so. What has changed is the political stance to improve perceptions of better security. Has nothing to do with another conspiracy about Bush or Cheney.....the WTC was attacked with a truck bomb in 1993.

Well BC, it just happens while surfing the net I came across the timelines of the terrorists attacks within the US. It has the all the answer and some may surprise even you! http://www.peterlance.com/TRIPLE%20CROSS%20Timeline.pdf